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Free Third Level Domain Name Roundup

By tnt in News
Fri Apr 07, 2000 at 06:45:19 PM EST
Tags: Internet (all tags)
Internet

The old ML.org started something incredible. They we gave the common netizen identity on the Internet -- they gave people free domain names.

Click the "Read More..." link to see what free third level domain names you can get now,... now that ML.org is gone.


Gone since about December 1998, when ML.org was around, it gave the common netizen something that, previously, was only attainable by those who could afford a web server: an identity on the Internet, their own name in cyberspace, a free domain name.

But not only that. ML.org made it so that average person, connecting to the Internet over a phone line, could beat the technical limitation that would normally prevent them from being able to use their own domain name for their home computer.

Many found it a sad day when ML.org packed up. But fear not, for many others have picked up and rekindled the torch that ML.org could no longer carry. Many others are offering the same service ML.org once did. He's the list I've collected. (In alphabetical order.)

  • DHS - They offer you free domain names under the dhs.org name.
  • Dynamic DNS Network Services - They offer you free domain names under the dyndns.org name.
  • EU.org - They offer you free domain names under the eu.org name.
  • eyeP.net - They offer you free domain names under the eyep.net name.
  • FDNS.NET - They offer you free domain names under the fdns.net name.
  • Jaze Web Design's Free Redirect Services - They offer you free domain names under the isCool.net, areCool.net, isFun.net, areFun.net, isAwesome.net, areAwesome.net, and tux.nu names.
  • Open Domain Server - They offer you free domain names under the ods.org name.
  • TSX - They offer you free domain names under the tsx.org name.
  • Your Internet - They offer you free domain names under the yi.org name.
  • ZA NiC - They offer you free domain names under the za.net and za.org names.
(Just as a note, I keep a list of free domain name here.)

Side Note:
Now, with many people getting Cable Modems and the various DSL connection (what many are inaccurately called Broadband) some of the services these places are offering (to over come the technical limitations of connecting to the Internet over the phone) may be less useful. However, there will always be a place for free domain.

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Free Third Level Domain Name Roundup | 42 comments (42 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)
The bit about third-level names bei... (3.00 / 1) (#1)
by rusty on Fri Apr 07, 2000 at 04:11:50 PM EST

rusty voted 1 on this story.

The bit about third-level names being less useful now is right. Although many DSL providers are now moving to dynamic IP's, the technical hurdle of hosting your own domain on a box which may change IP's but is always connected are diminishing. Not to mention you can now get domain names for 15 bucks, and find a web host for about 5 buck a month, for basic hosting, the price of such things has come *way* down. 3LD's are going to have to be used, though, as the domain name space is starting to get a little crowded.

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Not the real rusty

Even though I have a nice 384k DSL ... (2.00 / 1) (#3)
by End on Fri Apr 07, 2000 at 04:33:22 PM EST

End voted 1 on this story.

Even though I have a nice 384k DSL line here in Minneapolis, and even though I have a nice web/ftp site with 6gb of free space and cgi hosted for free on a server owned by a very kind friend (I'll call him Roger for secrecy), I think this article may come in useful for some of our less technically empowered bretheren :) -JD

-JD

I have dialup (read: static IP) sys... (4.00 / 1) (#2)
by pulsar on Fri Apr 07, 2000 at 05:46:32 PM EST

pulsar voted 1 on this story.

I have dialup (read: static IP) system and what I want to do is have it be known as mysystem.mydomain. I mean I already own my own domain and have my own web site, email, etc. Too bad I haven't figured up a way to do this...

How To Set It Up (5.00 / 1) (#6)
by tnt on Fri Apr 07, 2000 at 07:08:48 PM EST

First I want to say that I am not an expert on this, and I haven't tried it myself, but I think these steps should work.

Step 1(a): If you have a static IP address (your IP address is always the same), then excellent. All you need is someone to let you use their DNS server. (A DNS server tells the Internet where a particular domain name, like www.mine.dom, points to.) There is only one place that I know of that does free DNS hosting: Public DNS. (If anyone know of any other places please let me know!)

Step 1(b): If you do NOT have a static IP address (your IP address changes everytime you log onto the Internet), then you may or may not need to do an additional step before continuing. If you have a static domain name, then you don't need to do anything else, just go to the next step. But,... if you do NOT have a static domain name, go to one of the 10 places listed above, and use their dynamic IP service to get yourself a static domain name.

Step 2: Go to the Public DNS (if you haven't already). Now,... for those who followed step 1a, just use their service to point to your domain name. You'll have to make a DNS record something like the following...

www.mine.dom. IN A 192.168.0.4
(Of course replace www.mine.dom. with whatever you domain name actually is, and replace 192.168.0.4 with whatever you static IP address actually is.) Or,... if you followed step 1b instead. Then lets say you have the static domain name: this.is.mine.dom. Then you would have to make a DNS record somethnig like the following...
www.mine.dom. IN CNAME this.is.mine.dom.

And that should be it. (At least I think so. I've never actually tried any of this. But this is how I understand how it works from what I've read.)

Hope that helps.

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     Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc.
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  Kuro5hin user #279

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Re: How To Set It Up (none / 0) (#13)
by pulsar on Fri Apr 07, 2000 at 10:23:07 PM EST

doh! That was an incomplete thought... What I meant to say was I do not have a static IP, I have a dynamic IP [this is what happens when someone starts talking to you and you stop, then start again]. Sorry for the confusion!

Anyway the dynamic IP part isn't too hard to deal with, it's the really stupid 8 hour limit my ISP forces on me. After 8 hours I get disconnected.. this is very annoying when you are doing an 'apt-get dist-upgrade' or similar. You can be cruising along and all of a sudden *click* Not to meantion all those ssh connections I have to kill off and redo. This is the only thing I don't like about my ISP, they are very cool otherwise. They even run FreeBSD on just about everything. I guess if they weren't a local company I'd probably move to some national ISP or something...

[ Parent ]
Cable or DSL (none / 0) (#16)
by tnt on Fri Apr 07, 2000 at 11:18:48 PM EST

You could always get a Cable Modem connection, or a DSL (ADSL, SDSL, or whatever) connection. :-)

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     Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc.
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Re: Cable or DSL (none / 0) (#17)
by fluffy grue on Sat Apr 08, 2000 at 12:40:42 AM EST

Why do people assume that cable and DSL have static IP addresses? Most newer cable and DSL services don't, and use DHCP to dynamically allocate IP addresses.
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[ Parent ]

Re: Cable or DSL (none / 0) (#18)
by tnt on Sat Apr 08, 2000 at 01:15:22 AM EST

Even with Cable or DSL connections that use DHCP (like mine), they usually still give you a static domain name. Which is good enough.

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     Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc.
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  Kuro5hin user #279

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Re: Cable or DSL (none / 0) (#24)
by fluffy grue on Sat Apr 08, 2000 at 12:25:19 PM EST

Eh? Most of the companies I've seen out there HATE users running servers without paying lots of money for their "business" services. Some of them will tolerate it as long as you do your own nameserver stuff, but none of the ones I've seen go out of their way to give you the ability to point a static name to a dynamic IP address. ATT@Home and Roadrunner, arguably the two biggest locally-resold cable access providers, are like this nowadays, for example. Free third-level domainname services are still quite necessary.
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"Is not a quine" is not a quine.
I have a master's degree in science!

[ Hug Your Trikuare ]
[ Parent ]

Re: Cable or DSL (none / 0) (#26)
by tnt on Sat Apr 08, 2000 at 12:48:44 PM EST

True, @HOME in my area seems to be against servers too. However, the ADSL in my area seems to all for it.

But I think these companies who are telling their customers, they are not allowed to set up servers, are doing something stupid. I think they are going to lose alot business to their competitors (who do allow servers), because that's what alot of people want! They want to be able to set up servers! Because they have a home business. Because they have an idea for a great website. Because the turn key server packages out there don't offer them what they want -- and setting something up themselves is their best solution. And because they can't afford $1000/month for a T1. And in my area, where ADSL and Cable are the same price. Since ADSL allows servers, ADSL is going to do better (as soon as they bring availability of it to the entire area).

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     Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc.
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  Kuro5hin user #279

[ Parent ]

Re: Cable or DSL (none / 0) (#29)
by driph on Sat Apr 08, 2000 at 01:32:37 PM EST

Here in Las Vegas matters are a bit interesting, as Prime Cable had set up their Express cablemodem service prior to being bought out by Cox.. We've been under Cox Cable rule for a while, and they are finally introducing @Home to the vegas area... however, we will have a choice of whether we want to move to the @Home service, or Express(basic 512/128 service, 8 computers off the modem, an extra $10/mo for a static).. I believe the @Home service is going to be an entirely separate backbone, as well.. Express will be aimed towards small business and power users, where as the @Home service will be the basic cable service for generic home use..

We also have DSL, through Sprint unfortunately. Man, I hate Sprint. :] Although their DSL service is finally getting to the point of being reliable, and actual competition for cable..

--
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[ Parent ]
Re: Cable or DSL (none / 0) (#42)
by Paul Dunne on Wed Apr 12, 2000 at 03:31:28 AM EST

> But I think these companies who are telling their customers, they are
> not allowed to set up servers, are doing something stupid. I think

I'd go further than that. If a company is telling you that you can't have a "server", then they aren't selling you a real Internet connection. They are provided the same sort of service that AOL used to (do they still do this, or are they are a "normal" ISP now?). Being on the Internet means your machine is on the Internet for other machines to connect to, period. That's what the Internet is all about, not this fucking one-way, Disneyland-type consumer experience that some companies would like to see it become. On the other hand, if they want to set up traffic limitations, that seems more reasonable: no ISP wants a pr0n site with a million hits a week bogging down their whole network and paying $10 a month (or whatever it is) for the privilege.
http://dunne.home.dhs.org/
[ Parent ]

Re: Cable or DSL (none / 0) (#27)
by Anonymous Hero on Sat Apr 08, 2000 at 12:57:36 PM EST

What ISP does this? Do they allow you to run servers? (Why else would you need a static domain?) Besides, the static domains that I've seen are either too long, don't allow you to choose your own domain (cust25452.isp.com), or are intrusive to your privacy (i.e. your IP resolves to yourrealname.yourcity.isp.com, so now everyone knows who you are and where you live).

My ISP uses DHCP, but they don't give static domains. The IPs rarely change though. I've had the same IP for about 10 months now. It changed in January, but I disabled my DHCP client and changed my IP back to the old one (their DHCP server was always down anyway, so it's easier this way). I've never had any problems either - I expected the DHCP server to give that IP to someone else when my lease expired, but it never happened.

[ Parent ]

Re: Cable or DSL (none / 0) (#28)
by tnt on Sat Apr 08, 2000 at 01:28:12 PM EST

Anonymous Hero,

In response to what you said...

What ISP does this?
@HOME. They provide Cable modem access.
Do they allow you to run servers?
No. And that's why I'm switching over to ADSL as soon as it comes in my area.
(Why else would you need a static domain?)
Need it?... Give it:... I'm not sure, really, why they give it. It may be because the DHCP software just assigns them.
Besides, the static domains that I've seen are either too long, don't allow you to choose your own domain (cust25452.isp.com), or are intrusive to your privacy (i.e. your IP resolves to yourrealname.yourcity.isp.com, so now everyone knows who you are and where you live).
That's no problem, just go read what I wrote before and you can make a shorter, more private domain name point to you computer instead. (You don't have to do any of that step 2 stuff if you don't want it.)
My ISP uses DHCP, but they don't give static domains. The IPs rarely change though. I've had the same IP for about 10 months now. It changed in January, but I disabled my DHCP client and changed my IP back to the old one (their DHCP server was always down anyway, so it's easier this way). I've never had any problems either - I expected the DHCP server to give that IP to someone else when my lease expired, but it never happened.
It could happen though. And if you have a server set up, that's going to cause problems.

What you could do is go and get a Dynamic DNS thing set up for your computer. That way you'd have a static domain. And things should be fine then.

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     Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc.
__________________________________________________
  Kuro5hin user #279

[ Parent ]

Re: Cable or DSL (none / 0) (#30)
by fluffy grue on Sat Apr 08, 2000 at 04:45:10 PM EST

The yourrealname.city.state.whatever.com resolution doesn't get helped any by you setting up a new DNS. The PTR queries to your IP address will still resolve to the real name, namely yourrealname.city.state.whatever.com.
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I have a master's degree in science!

[ Hug Your Trikuare ]
[ Parent ]

Re: Cable or DSL (none / 0) (#22)
by pulsar on Sat Apr 08, 2000 at 01:53:15 AM EST

Yes, but! Somwhere between here and the CentralOffice is a Multiplexer, which means no DSL. As for cable.. it doesn't even come all the way down the street! :( So I'm stuck with this crappy analog connection that has an average connection speed of 26.4k :( *sigh*

[ Parent ]
Re: I have dialup (read: static IP) sys... (none / 0) (#38)
by knick on Mon Apr 10, 2000 at 11:53:40 AM EST

TZO.com allows mapping Static domains to Dynamic IP address.  They have
software/scripts for Unix/Linux/WinX/Java that connect to them, give them your
current IP address, and then make the corrections on their end for your new IP
address.  You can either use a third level domain off the TZO.com, or you can
register your own domains.  It's not free, but the cost is pretty resonable.
(Like $25/year for third level domain, $60/year for your own domain)

--knick

-- sig's are for sissies --
[ Parent ]
TZO.com (none / 0) (#41)
by tnt on Tue Apr 11, 2000 at 01:12:12 PM EST

TZO.com is commercial though. This service is already offered for free,... why would you pay for it?

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     Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc.
__________________________________________________
  Kuro5hin user #279

[ Parent ]
Just a note .. eyeP.net currently h... (3.00 / 1) (#5)
by fake on Fri Apr 07, 2000 at 06:16:54 PM EST

fake voted 1 on this story.

Just a note .. eyeP.net currently has 10 domains under which hostnames are offered. eyeP also offers url redirection under 3 other domains. Although I own the service, I must say the domains are neater than most. Excuse the shameless promotion, just got off a plane from cancun .. brain is still missing. --fake

What Are The Domains? (none / 0) (#7)
by tnt on Fri Apr 07, 2000 at 07:10:55 PM EST

What are the domain names? I looked around (at the FAQ, the News, etc), but I only found two other ones. Could you list all the domain names.

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     Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc.
__________________________________________________
  Kuro5hin user #279

[ Parent ]
Re: What Are The Domains? (none / 0) (#8)
by fake on Fri Apr 07, 2000 at 08:33:09 PM EST

Sure. I suppose there is no way to find out unless you try to add a new host and check the options. I'm bored, so here they are:

Dynamic DNS:
eyep.net
fuhq.net
ircpimp.org
fake.cx
exploit.cx
levitate.org
dotslashsaturn.org
fatkids.net

URL Redirection:
crontab.org
hydroxide.net
wagd.com

There are a few more in queue to be added, probably sometime later tonight. Hope this helps ..


--fake

[ Parent ]
Re: What Are The Domains? (none / 0) (#11)
by Anonymous Hero on Fri Apr 07, 2000 at 09:27:15 PM EST

Any chance of getting a combined domain/URL redirection service? i.e. I get mydomain.eyep.net, point www.mydomain.eyep.net at your server, and redirect that URL to my web page. Then I could still make other aliases under my domain (like irc.mydomain.eyep.net) that point to other computers.

[ Parent ]
Re: What Are The Domains? (none / 0) (#20)
by Paul Dunne on Sat Apr 08, 2000 at 01:29:59 AM EST

I think dhs.org can do this. I just use their redirection service, but I know they offer free dynip as well, or used to at least.
http://dunne.home.dhs.org/
[ Parent ]
Re: What Are The Domains? (none / 0) (#25)
by Anonymous Hero on Sat Apr 08, 2000 at 12:38:06 PM EST

But they won't let you use both services at the same time. It would be easy if they let you register the same domain for both services, but I haven't seen any place that does this. Right now I just point www.myname.dhs.org at the Capibara redirector (I run the DNS server), but I'd rather point it back at DHS and have them handle it.

[ Parent ]
Re: What Are The Domains? (none / 0) (#10)
by Anonymous Hero on Fri Apr 07, 2000 at 09:10:45 PM EST

url:
crontab.net
hydroxide.net
wagd.com

host:
eyep.net
fuhq.net
ircpimp.org
fake.cx
exploit.cx
levitate.org
dotslashsaturn.org
fatkids.net


[ Parent ]
Given the relatively low cost of ma... (2.00 / 1) (#4)
by cthulhu on Fri Apr 07, 2000 at 06:45:19 PM EST

cthulhu voted 1 on this story.

Given the relatively low cost of maintaining a service, free basic services are here to stay.

Re: Free Third Level Domain Name Roundup (4.00 / 1) (#9)
by Anonymous Hero on Fri Apr 07, 2000 at 09:02:04 PM EST

There's also MyIP which offers such services for free, I think you have to pay for DynDNS.

Anonymous Hero


myIP and DynDNS (none / 0) (#14)
by tnt on Fri Apr 07, 2000 at 11:15:59 PM EST

OK, I've added myIP to my list. (Thanks.)

As far as DynDNS.org, they seem to be a free service, from what I can see on their web page.

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     Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc.
__________________________________________________
  Kuro5hin user #279

[ Parent ]

Shameless plug (3.50 / 2) (#12)
by [Gold] on Fri Apr 07, 2000 at 10:05:03 PM EST

I have a list of free domains here. It's really out of date, but I'll try to update it soon. It has some more detail about the services that each provides (and whether you have to pay for them).

Note to rusty: This page (comment posting) should tell me what story I'm replying to.

Re: Free Third Level Domain Name Roundup (3.00 / 1) (#15)
by henrik on Fri Apr 07, 2000 at 11:18:17 PM EST

Of course, one of the best ways to get a domain name/free hosting is through a friend. :)

-henrik

Akademiska Intresseklubben antecknar!

Re: Free Third Level Domain Name Roundup (2.00 / 1) (#19)
by Paul Dunne on Sat Apr 08, 2000 at 01:25:31 AM EST

I've got dunne.ie.eu.org, which sends mail to dunne.penguinpowered.com (why make something simple when you can make something complicated?! Well, I used to have an ISP that gave static IPs as part of the basic dial-up service, and the eu.org name used to point there.), the latter being one of the few free dynamic IP services that actually works and doesn't look likely to go away. I know it's churlish to complain about something that's for free, but free DNS providers do seem to come and go. However, both eu.org and penguinpowered.com are excellent services. Both dyndns.org and dhs.org pissed me off for some reason, I can't remember; YMMV.
http://dunne.home.dhs.org/
GnuDIP (4.00 / 1) (#21)
by r[o]b on Sat Apr 08, 2000 at 01:38:34 AM EST

I use GnuDIP for my needs. I think it works great but I've never used any other service. GnuDIP is free software. You can download the code and run your own 3LD/dynamic DNS system.

Re: Free Third Level Domain Name Roundup (2.00 / 1) (#23)
by buzzbomb on Sat Apr 08, 2000 at 10:24:20 AM EST

Something that should be stated: the dhs.org people are some of the people from
the old ML.org project.  It's essentially the same software as before with some
changes.  I use them and it's great.  Never had a problem with it at all.


Another free redirect service (none / 0) (#31)
by Anonymous Hero on Sun Apr 09, 2000 at 04:40:48 PM EST

is cjb.net - admittedly, most people who use them seem to do so for mp3-hosting purposes, but they're pretty good anyway.

I miss my ml.org (none / 0) (#32)
by Anonymous Hero on Sun Apr 09, 2000 at 05:30:08 PM EST

[wouldn't be posting as AH, but I havn't recieved my password yet]

I really miss my ml.org domain.. z.ml.org.. I had it for, what, 2 years.. 

Anyone know if whoever owns the ml.org domain wants to part with it? :)

<greg@linuxpower.cx>


Who owns ML.org (none / 0) (#33)
by tnt on Sun Apr 09, 2000 at 06:16:16 PM EST

Monolith Internet Services still seems to own ml.org and base.org.

The system support email address is ml@ml.org. But I don't know if it works.

Their address is...

Monolith Internet Services, International
Box 8159
Pittsburgh, PA 15217
US
And their phone number is...
516-741-7341
But like I said, I don't know if any of these still work.

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     Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc.
__________________________________________________
  Kuro5hin user #279

[ Parent ]
Re: Who owns ML.org (none / 0) (#34)
by Anonymous Hero on Sun Apr 09, 2000 at 07:58:37 PM EST

Aveek Datta is actually the owner of the domain.  That number is,
unfortunately, a fax number, and Aveek seems to be unreachable.   DNS for
ml.org (the few hosts left in it) has been down for more than a week now
totally, and a friend of mine (n of n.ml.org) has been wondering what happened
and trying to get hold of Aveek.

If any of you are wondering, ml.org originally shut down over abuse concerns
and general lack of its original purpose still existing.  Their legal team had
become larger than their technical team, and Aveek didn't think that was right.


[ Parent ]
Domain Come Back (none / 0) (#35)
by tnt on Sun Apr 09, 2000 at 08:10:52 PM EST

It would still be nice if we,... well, someone could get those domains and offer that service again (if they are not going to do it).

--
     Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc.
__________________________________________________
  Kuro5hin user #279

[ Parent ]
Re: Free Third Level Domain Name Roundup (4.00 / 1) (#36)
by mihalis on Sun Apr 09, 2000 at 10:52:17 PM EST

Here's a plug for an ISP if you live in Britain, and it's relevant to this topic : Demon Internet in the UK give each customer a static IP and hostname. They allow you to run a server on your machine (not that great since phone calls costs so much there) and they even deliver your email to your host via SMTP! I used their services when I lived in Britain, and when I moved to the US the experience left me with a feeling that the standard US style ISP service wasn't good enough.

My first try at getting all thos facilities was to get a domain under ml.org as other have mentioned and I just used to leave my modem on all the time.

Now I have my own domain (mihalis.net), DSL and I use DynDNS, but the idea is basically the same.

It just feels ... right this way!

Cheers,

Chris Morgan
-- Chris Morgan <see em at mihalis dot net>

Re: Free Third Level Domain Name Roundup (none / 0) (#37)
by tnt on Mon Apr 10, 2000 at 10:43:31 AM EST

Your right. But I don't think most ISPs (for phone lines, cable, and DSL) get it.

People want to set up servers from their homes! (And they're not going to pay $1000/month for a T1 to do... because the average person can't afford that.)

--
     Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc.
__________________________________________________
  Kuro5hin user #279

[ Parent ]

Re: Free Third Level Domain Name Roundup (none / 0) (#39)
by Verement on Mon Apr 10, 2000 at 01:25:17 PM EST

If you run a MUD or similar service, you can also get a free CNAME from MUD.ORG.

-v



Re: Free Third Level Domain Name Roundup (none / 0) (#40)
by Anonymous Hero on Tue Apr 11, 2000 at 02:34:50 AM EST

or you can be leet, and get a free domain on freenet6 and also get an ipv6 tunnel.

I got mine, but I haven't done much with it.

check it here

toppk

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