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News For the Tech Minded

By Neuromancer in News
Fri Jun 02, 2000 at 08:17:45 PM EST
Tags: Help! (Ask Kuro5hin) (all tags)
Help! (Ask Kuro5hin)

Hey K5ers. Kuro5hin is a great site for the news that matters to us. My question is, where else do you get your daily dose of tech? (Some of us are so addicted that we need more and more every second of every day)

Also, many people feel that tech sites are falling to the corporate yuppie empire. Sites that should be filled with theory and technology are filled with stock quotes and worthless gadgetry.

So, to satisfy both discussions. What happened to the tech sites? How do we stop that from happening here? Where else do you get your daily dose?


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News For the Tech Minded | 69 comments (69 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)
Can't fault you for trying. But if... (1.50 / 2) (#3)
by marlowe on Fri Jun 02, 2000 at 12:30:29 PM EST

marlowe voted 1 on this story.

Can't fault you for trying. But if this one doesn't make it, it'll be time to give up.

Also, you really should leave more time between attempts. This is bordering on spam.
-- The Americans are the Jews of the 21st century. Only we won't go as quietly to the gas chambers. --

Re: Can't fault you for trying. But if... (4.00 / 1) (#23)
by kraant on Fri Jun 02, 2000 at 11:46:24 PM EST

Actualy I was thinking it wasn't spam it was story moderation actualy working the way it should

He got positive feedback as he improved and that made him rewrite a better version of the article

Personaly I voted this one down because I thought it could still do with some improvement... For example more content and anlysis... but it's nice to see story moderation and review actualy working....

Now if only we had a way for the author to cancel the old version of the article....

daniel
--
"kraant, open source guru" -- tumeric
Never In Our Names...
[ Parent ]

I'm going to keep voting him up 'ti... (1.00 / 1) (#7)
by warpeightbot on Fri Jun 02, 2000 at 12:39:03 PM EST

warpeightbot voted 1 on this story.

I'm going to keep voting him up 'til he gets his point across...

Three strikes.... (1.00 / 3) (#4)
by inspire on Fri Jun 02, 2000 at 12:58:37 PM EST

inspire voted -1 on this story.

Three strikes.
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What is the helix?

Sounds like a great discussion, plu... (2.00 / 1) (#11)
by reas0n on Fri Jun 02, 2000 at 01:50:51 PM EST

reas0n voted 1 on this story.

Sounds like a great discussion, plus, I'm always looking for other good sites. For hardware news n' stuff, I prefer Ars Technica, they've got great stuff. I admire how they maintain quite a high signal-noise ratio, most of the stuff posted is interesting, and usually important. For gaming/gaming related news, its Shugashack for me. My only gripe is that there is a bit too much of the "someone drew a picture of what they want their game to look like" stuff. Does anyone really need that many screenshots?

...aside from K5 and slashdot, I st... (3.00 / 1) (#10)
by Anonymous Zero on Fri Jun 02, 2000 at 02:20:49 PM EST

Anonymous Zero voted 1 on this story.

...aside from K5 and slashdot, I still check Wired News because they actually have reporters that write stories, ZD News has some pretty ignorant writers but frequently they scoop everyone else in the tech news biz, Geek Press has a fairly fresh and uncommon assortment of tech news each day, Geek News is OK, and Linux Today is OK if you're looking for anything that happens to mention the word Linux. Aside from that I check Yahoo headlines and Salon each day, and the Onion every week.

Re: ...aside from K5 and slashdot, I st... (3.00 / 1) (#16)
by HomeySmurf on Fri Jun 02, 2000 at 08:41:33 PM EST

Wired does have real writers and editors, consequently there is a much larger lag time before the stories actually come out. All the "news" has generally appeared before on /. or K5 or both.

The articles also often seem to be pointed at the same audience as The New Scientist..sorta G-whiz type stuff with a big lack of real technical meat.
"Politics is for the moment, an equation lasts eternity." -A. Einstein
[ Parent ]
Wired's lead time -- not that long (none / 0) (#24)
by kmself on Sat Jun 03, 2000 at 12:55:34 AM EST

It depends on the story. Having seen a few events get turned into stories, I know that they can do quick announcement within an hour or two of an event, and often have a pretty good analysis out within 12-24 hours, often less. Some stories aren't breaking items, they really do need in-depth coverage.

This is where some of the "botique" online sites really shine -- Wired, Red Herring, the Industry Standard. I'm hesitant to add Salon at this point though I think they usually do all right, because of a very badly butchered coverage of the recent DMCA hearings and protest at Stanford. Wrong guy for the job, IMO.

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[ Parent ]

OT: Salon rant (none / 0) (#30)
by rusty on Sat Jun 03, 2000 at 02:40:40 AM EST

And a totally asinine review of Mission: Impossible 2. Again, wrong person for the job. It was done by a disgruntled De Palma syncophant, who was clearly pissed off that no one understood the "genius" of the psychotically incomprehensible De Palma woofer, Mission: Impossible (the first one, aka "Mission: Incomprehensible").

My favorite part of the review is this bit:

The most common complaint made about "Mission: Impossible" was that the plot made no sense. Actually, the plot made perfect sense (unlike the sequel, with its gaping holes) and was laid out clearly. The confusion came from the fact that it was laid out entirely in visual terms -- for instance, in the sequence where Cruise narrated a series of events to Jon Voight, but visualized them in an entirely different way, letting us know that he knew something Voight didn't know he knew.
No, sorry. We're familiar with that technique, it's called an unreliable narrator, and you can't even begin to guess how much De Palma did not invent that. The problem occurs when you have a character saying one thing, while the screen shows something else, and you simultaneously:
  • Have no idea what the first character is talking about
  • Have no idea who the second character is
  • Can't figure out where they are in relation to us, the plot, the movie, Istanbul, or each other, and finally,
  • Don't care at all about any of these things anyway.
Whew. I really had to get that off my chest. I think I already bitched to you about this in person, didn't I Karsten? Oh well, it continues to nag at me. I studied film, dammit, and this auteur-ist crap always pissed me off. This guy will probably tell you that Mr. Arkadin was a masterpiece too.

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]
I'll give him the point---mostly be... (1.00 / 1) (#14)
by extrasolar on Fri Jun 02, 2000 at 02:29:10 PM EST

extrasolar voted 1 on this story.

I'll give him the point---mostly because he used the word "yuppie" in a sentence :) Actually it is an interesting point. Just not too many of these articles, okay?

Good question. I would like to see... (1.00 / 1) (#6)
by pzb on Fri Jun 02, 2000 at 02:30:19 PM EST

pzb voted 1 on this story.

Good question. I would like to see the responses.

Besides K5, the other places I visi... (4.00 / 2) (#12)
by plastic on Fri Jun 02, 2000 at 03:00:08 PM EST

plastic voted 1 on this story.

Besides K5, the other places I visit on a semi-regular basis are:
RootPrompt - Great Unix stuff, very technical in nature.
memepool - Random neat stuff.

Ooooh, this will make for an intrst... (3.00 / 1) (#5)
by SgtPepper on Fri Jun 02, 2000 at 03:18:47 PM EST

SgtPepper voted 1 on this story.

Ooooh, this will make for an intrsting story. Of course i check out { that other place }, but I also frequent arstechnica, CNN, and of course Kuro5hin. Sometimes I get a quick fix from headlinez.net, but usually not.

I generally keep an eye on Daily Da... (2.00 / 1) (#9)
by Rasputin on Fri Jun 02, 2000 at 03:21:30 PM EST

Rasputin voted 1 on this story.

I generally keep an eye on Daily Daemon News and Advogato. I never look at "That Other Site"(tm)
Even if you win the rat race, you're still a rat.

I'd be quite interrested in the ans... (1.00 / 1) (#13)
by agl on Fri Jun 02, 2000 at 03:51:19 PM EST

agl voted 1 on this story.

I'd be quite interrested in the answers

I dip into Slashdot regularly; most... (3.00 / 1) (#8)
by jackyb on Fri Jun 02, 2000 at 05:12:26 PM EST

jackyb voted 1 on this story.

I dip into Slashdot regularly; most things tend to show up there and although I only actually read further than the headlines about once or twice a day on average, I find that browsing on +2 gets rid of most of the crap. Apart from that, I don't read any other news sites online, except dipping into a couple of English daily papers now and then. Mostly because I hate politics. So boring to hear politicians trying to win my vote.

I keep meaning to add geeky.org to ... (3.00 / 1) (#2)
by fluffy grue on Fri Jun 02, 2000 at 06:11:19 PM EST

fluffy grue voted 1 on this story.

I keep meaning to add geeky.org to my daily litany. Aside from that, I occasionally peruse ars-technica. Those sites are definitely hobbyist-oriented, and don't look like they're anywhere near being bought out (the former is yet another weblog, like how Slashdot used to be but running Scoop instead, and the latter has hosting paid by pertinent ad revenue and reviewer hardware donated by various online merchants and, on occasion, by the manufacturers themselves).
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Routine: ... (3.50 / 2) (#1)
by hattig on Fri Jun 02, 2000 at 07:18:37 PM EST

hattig voted 1 on this story.

Routine:

1. theregister.co.uk for all of those fun very biased stories, and links to all the sites

2. zdnet uk for more meaningless ramblings, but you can find some interesting stuff on there. Not the commentary though...

3. Slashdot for fun reading trolls etc. I wish there was a maximum threshold setting...

4. Ars Technica quite fun sometimes

5. BBC News including the Sci/Tech bit

6. Other random sites linked off of the above, depends on what I see really.

Anyway, I like the gadgetry, but there isn't enough real technology news anywhere, not in a single site that covers all aspects of technology, with discussion forums etc.

Relevant and timely ... (1.00 / 2) (#15)
by kefaa on Fri Jun 02, 2000 at 07:41:03 PM EST

kefaa voted 1 on this story.

Relevant and timely

Two sites (3.00 / 1) (#17)
by unayok on Fri Jun 02, 2000 at 08:45:29 PM EST

Spaceviews and SpaceDaily, while not free of press releases, are both decent sites for their subject matter. Spacer is more commercialized, but it's fairly easy to filter through the chaff, and it has some interesting cross links (you can get to solar panel efficiency breakthroughs and other neat materials science from there). They obviously both have their adgendas, but they're refreshingly free of OS Holy Wars and Natalie Portman.

the register (4.00 / 1) (#18)
by geekpress on Fri Jun 02, 2000 at 09:25:29 PM EST

I run GeekPress, so I'm sure to check that every day. :-)

More seriously, in the course of updating GeekPress, I end up checking about 20 or sources a day. You can check out the semi-accurately ranked list.

By far, my favorite source that doesn't seem to be widely read by geeks is The Register. It's a UK tech news site, with a much more humorous slant than anyone else. For example, they're running some pretty funny commentary on the whole moving MS to Canada story.

-- Diana Hsieh
GeekPress: Today's Tech News, Sifted and Summarized

Daily Reads... (4.00 / 1) (#19)
by Anonymous Hero on Fri Jun 02, 2000 at 10:24:28 PM EST

1. Probably my favorite, Arstechnica. They cover almost all aspects of computer hardware from everyday to the extreme and make it a bit easier to understand than most

2. ugeek.com is great. Not many original stories but have links to all the major chipset links in the chipgeek section and I particularly enjoy the pdageek section for PDA news since I'm a pda junkie

3. slashdot is pretty good for most all computer related news

4. like the register

5. like the EE times

6. like the gadgeteer for gadget reviews and previews

-my 2 cents

Try Techdirt (3.00 / 1) (#20)
by bstadil on Fri Jun 02, 2000 at 10:46:30 PM EST

One suggestion is Techdirt It is not updates so often but once in a while they have something interesting not seen elsewhere.

Linkston! (3.00 / 1) (#21)
by Anonymous Hero on Fri Jun 02, 2000 at 11:26:56 PM EST

I personally use news aggregation pages to be able to jump right into the middle of good content culled from wherever it might be found on the technical press web. Linkston and Newslinx are two such services.

Linkston has less cruft on the page but pulls from fewer sources (bug or feature, you decide...)

What I browse (4.80 / 4) (#22)
by FFFish on Fri Jun 02, 2000 at 11:45:45 PM EST

The Register - Caustic tech news
CNet News - media pap, but useful for the headline
Wired - less pap-like, but still mainly used for the headlines
NewsTrolls - broad focus (ie. non-tech, too), very good!
TastyBits - updated infrequently, frequently interesting
Slashdot - Swarmed by morons, but the headlines are current and the filter is useful
Need to Know - another caustic British commentary, updated weekly
Cringley - a BS artist, but interesting
Alertbox - web design commentary
Tog - design commentary
ARS Technica - hobbyist hardware geeking, good for headlines
AMD Tech - good for headlines
3D Sound Surge - apparently the only sound sight with a clue
Betanews - beta software headlines
Shell City - making Winduzn't into Winduz
NASA Astronomy Pix - a daily reminder that we're really, really, really small. Really small.
Memepool - listing the strange shit people find on the web

Love to see some more ideas, guys. Some of us are addicted...

Re: What I browse (none / 0) (#37)
by Anonymous Hero on Sat Jun 03, 2000 at 08:07:05 AM EST

3D Sound Surge - apparently the only sound sight with a clue

Try Movie Sound Page. Geared more toward film and home theatre then toward computers but they definitely have a clue.

[ Parent ]

Re: What I browse (none / 0) (#49)
by FFFish on Sat Jun 03, 2000 at 03:44:20 PM EST

(A) I can't believe I wrote "sight" for "site." Ugh.

(B) I should have been *much* more specific: 3DSS seems to be the only site with any clue about soundcards, 3D sound APIs and computer speaker systems. Wouldn't use them at all for home sound systems.

Thnx for the link. I'll be using it!

[ Parent ]
My first hour at work. (none / 0) (#25)
by driph on Sat Jun 03, 2000 at 12:58:11 AM EST

After catching up on email, figuring out the ever-changing status of whatever project I'm working on and searching out caffiene, my sites visited are as follows:

My homepage is this guys site. Scan new articles and submissions, usually not posting until I have more time later in the day or evening.

My second visit is Brunching Shuttlecocks. Not really tech news, but damn funny. Note to self: Put Bjork song in Napster directory.

I scan Slashdot as well, and glance at the headlines in my Slashboxes(Macworld, Ars, Techocrat, BBC).

From there it's random... sometimes a few Mac sites( XLR8 Your Mac, Mac Gamers Ledge, etc), a few design rags (Kaliber10000, Design is Kinky, plus a few other sites in that gathering).

And so on.
Oh, whats with my " being replaced with " within my html? I've noticed that happening a couple times..

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Vegas isn't a liberal stronghold. It's the place where the rich and powerful gamble away their company's pension fund and strangle call girls in their hotel rooms. - Psycho Dave
Correction. (none / 0) (#26)
by driph on Sat Jun 03, 2000 at 01:01:08 AM EST

Dammit. I meant THIS GUY'S SITE.

That's what happens when I have to put the " back into my tags..:]

--
Vegas isn't a liberal stronghold. It's the place where the rich and powerful gamble away their company's pension fund and strangle call girls in their hotel rooms. - Psycho Dave
[ Parent ]
Re: My first hour at work. (none / 0) (#27)
by rusty on Sat Jun 03, 2000 at 01:02:24 AM EST

Oh, whats with my " being replaced with " within my html? I've noticed that happening a couple times..

Erm, yeah. There was a reason for that. I forget what it was. But it was a really good and compelling reason, believe you me, and we're all a lot safer for it. :-)

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]

I like K5.. but (none / 0) (#28)
by semis on Sat Jun 03, 2000 at 01:02:57 AM EST

I still read slashdot before i come to k5. Why?

Well, I have all those nifty slashdot boxes down the side, that I skim over, particularly:
- security focus
- freshmeat
- blue's news

I like the portal features of slashdot, where I can read all the news in one go. I /used/ to like the discussions, stories - but now i come to k5 for my dose of technology theory and discussion.

Im not sure if its the aim of k5 to provide features like poll's, and those slashdot box thingies. But I'd really love to see things like that - perhaps with a k5 focus.

cheers,
Ian.


Re: I like K5.. but (none / 0) (#29)
by rusty on Sat Jun 03, 2000 at 02:27:52 AM EST

Polls are coming *very* soon, thanks in very large part to Hurst Dawg who has hacked in most of the basic functionality. Expect that to appear real soon.

As for the cool portal features, I like them too. I'd like to do something similar, but, frankly, better. I mean, my box-space is pretty much full-up already. And how often do you just happen to "notice" something in a box while gazing raptly at the slashdot front page? I hardly ever seem to. I'm either reading articles, or reading the boxen. So I'd like to do something more extensive with headlines from afar, preferably in conjunction with a general expansion of the user page.

Ultimately, I'd like your user page to feature a personal diary (with threads as desired, too), a set of configurable boxes from sites that you like (ideally you should be able to hack your very own boxes into the pool too, if they serve a standard RDF backend), your info, possibly with room for expanded user info if you want to add it, and lists of your recent stories and comments. Instead of just a kinda little excuse for a comment list, I'd rather make it a real "start" page, and an expression for everyone else of what you're all about.

As always, ideas, suggestions, criticism, and the majestic moose are always welcome.

We apologize for the gratuitous moose reference. Those responsible have been sacked.

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]

Re: I like K5.. but (none / 0) (#34)
by Anonymous Hero on Sat Jun 03, 2000 at 04:36:42 AM EST

I think Kuro5hin is very nice as well (certainly easier on the eyes than /.) but I think it should loose the constant guest appearances by the editor. That rubs me as unprofessional; news doesnt need justification or explanations, you know what I mean.

[ Parent ]
Re: I like K5.. but (none / 0) (#38)
by evro on Sat Jun 03, 2000 at 08:23:20 AM EST

I disagree. I like seeing participation from the administrators. It makes it seem like everybody's on the same level. Whereas on slashdot there is no interaction at all between the editors and the commoners, and it is really annoying because feedback seems to be ignored most of the time.
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"Asking me who to follow -- don't ask me, I don't know!"
[ Parent ]
Re: I like K5.. but (5.00 / 1) (#44)
by rusty on Sat Jun 03, 2000 at 02:31:50 PM EST

You mean you think I shouldn't comment? No way! What's in it for me if I don't get to talk to people? I mean, seriously, I do this because it's interesting to discuss stuff with you. If it was unprofessional for me to post, well then I might as well close up shop and go back to slashdot.

I don't do "guest appearances", I comment on stories just like you. Once in a while I add commentary to a story writeup, but I haven't done that in quite a while. I also don't think I justify or explain, I just say what I think, like anyone else here.

I guess I'm confused about what is bothering you.

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]

Does everything have to be professional? (none / 0) (#67)
by error 404 on Mon Jun 05, 2000 at 04:11:24 PM EST

I like hearing from Rusty.

Rusty is no professional journalist or editor, and that is a very good thing. He's not (I hope) trying to be one. Nothing against the professionals, I just like a variety of styles and voices.

Furthermore, as far as I can tell, he's very hands-off. He doesn't select the stories or fill any other traditional editorial role, except for taking out the trash. So there isn't the usual power-trip that makes it (arguably) bad form for an editor to be a participant. A traditional editor could use editorial authority to dominate the discussion, and while Rusty has the technical ability to do so, that isn't how he runs K5.

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Electrical banana is bound to be the very next phase
- Donovan

[ Parent ]
How about non-tech news sites? (4.00 / 1) (#31)
by evro on Sat Jun 03, 2000 at 03:20:22 AM EST

The order of my Netscape toolbar bookmarks is as follows: Slashdot, Wired, Kuro5hin, NY Times, CNN, Salon, HotBot, Google, CNET, ZDN. (the rest are unrelated.) Basically that is the order in which I check them when I wake up in the morning (though I don't "check" google or hotbot). Recently I have become quite aggravated with CNN, and perhaps most traditional media outlets. CNN reports the most useless, stupid news I can imagine. It is centered around whatever the hot topic is for that day. Like the entire Elian Gonzalez mess. Who cares? I mean, really, outside of the people in Miami who seem to think destroying their own neighborhood will prove something to the world, does anybody care? I personally don't see why there is even any discussion in this matter. CNN, it seems to me, has become (has always been?) the "USA Today" of TV/Internet news. Like every time another strain of the ILOVEYOU.vbs virus came out, CNN had a headline like "NEW VIRUS FOUND" or something and then in the article they say that it's not really a problem. Sensationalism at its worst. Also, while we in America like to think we have a free press, how do we know? When the news outlets are as few and as powerful as CNN (now owned by everyone's favorite media conglomerate, AOL), Dow Jones (WSJ), the New York Times (also owners of the Boston Globe), how can we really trust what we see? If each of those companies decided to play a joke on the American people and announced that Iraq had nuked Russia, the American people would have to accept this as fact. Who would tell us otherwise? This is just an example of why I don't want to trust any one source too much.

I have a very short attention span. If I go to a site and I don't see something interesting on the first screen, I leave. I go to nytimes.com, read their three big headlines (sometimes even the small ones at the right) and if I don't see anything good, I leave. I do not scroll down the page to see what is happening elsewhere on their site. This is also the case with CNN. I don't scroll down to see their "US news" section or anything. If there is not something interesting on the first screen, I'm gone. Except for something like Wired, where I know there are usually some decent stories if I pagedown.

When Salon announced its redesign last week, I was really excited. No more having to pgdown to see some gem of a story way at the bottom! But you know what? Everybody else who reads the site wrote in and complained about the new "horizontal sprawl" and they went back to listing all their stories in a mile-long list. So I'm back to the good-headline-or-I'm-gone theory with them.

I like CNET's page (ie, www.news.com) because all the headlines are right on the front page and can usually fit into one screen. 8-10 somewhat interesting stories presented cleanly. That is what I like. The problem with CNET is that they, like ZDNET, are not exactly unbiased, and seem to have technological neophytes writing all their articles. Like, every article about Linux does not need to include a paragraph like "The upstart Linux operating system is poised to be a competitor to Microsoft's Windows operating system," or, "Open sourced software is software for which the computer codes are freely available." We all know that. If somebody is just hearing about Linux or open-source for the first time they can go read a faq or something. anyway.

So what I'm looking for is a site that has non-tech news presented in a way that is straightforward and clean. I am also looking for a news site that does not suck in its reporting of the news. I like Wired because they seem, in general (with definite exceptions for some of their writers), to be unbiased. Are there any reliable news outlets? Would something like NPR or PBS be the best source for "unbiased" news? I don't want to be somebody who just takes everything the NYTimes or WSJ says as fact (as most people seem to do). I guess to cover all bases I could just check every news site and take a weighted average of the news to figure out what's really going on, but who has time for that?

A reliable, good (well-written) news site. A well-designed news site. These are the two things I want. If they are the same site, great! If you know of any sites that fit either description, I would love to hear them.
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Re: How about non-tech news sites? (1.00 / 1) (#32)
by Anonymous Hero on Sat Jun 03, 2000 at 04:05:04 AM EST

I recommend you try out http://www.fetchnews.com if you want an unbiased news site. Its basically what you are looking for

[ Parent ]
is this a joke? (none / 0) (#35)
by Anonymous Hero on Sat Jun 03, 2000 at 06:59:53 AM EST

are you the webmaster of the site trying to get more hits or something? That site is absolutely horrible. Not only does it have no news at all (other than regurgitated crap from other sites) it is ugly as hell. Yet-another-Slash-ripoff. What makes this one different? It has a huge ugly frameset! Yay!

[ Parent ]
Re: is this a joke? (none / 0) (#70)
by jaroca on Thu Jun 15, 2000 at 03:26:36 AM EST

LOL, I am not the webmaster of the site, but the "regurgitated crap" is actually kind of interesting. Its not the same stuff you find on Slashdot, in fact, I barely ever go to Slashdot because it is not what I am looking for. As for the layout, I don't really care what it looks like, I am there for some interesting news and links. Now-a-days, everysite seems like a Slashdot ripoff, but who cares...

[ Parent ]
Re: How about non-tech news sites? (2.00 / 1) (#41)
by Field Marshall Stack on Sat Jun 03, 2000 at 12:31:29 PM EST

[note: this message contains an off-topic rant about Salon's old new format. Of interest to almost no one, most likely. You Have Been Warned]
When Salon announced its redesign last week, I was really excited. No more having to pgdown to see some gem of a story way at the bottom! But you know what? Everybody else who reads the site wrote in and complained about the new "horizontal sprawl" and they went back to listing all their stories in a mile-long list. So I'm back to the good-headline-or-I'm-gone theory with them.
Really, the reason everyone complained is because they made each story link point to a Salon subsection containing that story, rather than the story itself. It was this that most people were complaining about, not the "horizontal sprawl," which IMO makes the page look too busy, but isn't particularly annoying.

Personally, I'm more than glad that they returned to the old format, since...well, the only real reason I can think of for them to make story links point to sections rather than stories is that it increases the number of page views/ad impressions. I do not want to have to dig around on a page I didn't want to go to to find the real link to the page I requested in the first place, thank you very much, and no, I have no interest in what your banner ads are pimping.
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Ben Allen, hiway@speakeasy.org
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[ Parent ]

Non-Tech Site (1.00 / 1) (#33)
by Anonymous Hero on Sat Jun 03, 2000 at 04:17:07 AM EST

For a good news site, come over and check out http://www.fetchnews.com. All kinds of news, a special page for linux users, and the babe of the day among other things.

TotSP (none / 0) (#36)
by farlukar on Sat Jun 03, 2000 at 07:15:57 AM EST

The Temple of the Screaming Penguin lists the the subjects of all kinds of news sites
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Roll your own (none / 0) (#39)
by yelvington on Sat Jun 03, 2000 at 09:23:50 AM EST

I pull XML-RSS files from a number of sources and aggregate them on my homepage rather than wandering around to multiple sites directly. A lot of geeknews sites, including this one, syndicate headliens in RSS format. For general news topics I use moreover.com, a headline aggregator that supports RSS (among many other formats).

You can see the results here:

http://yelvington.com/

and the PHP code is available here

http://yelvington.com/headlines.php3



Re: Roll your own (none / 0) (#62)
by dmkanter on Sun Jun 04, 2000 at 09:43:32 PM EST

I really like this site. It's clean, easy to read, and I appreciate the instructions for how to set it up with PHP as well

Thanks,
dmkanter

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My Daily Dose (none / 0) (#40)
by genehack on Sat Jun 03, 2000 at 10:56:30 AM EST

Wow, I'm surprised to see that people visit so few sites each day. Maybe I'm just a web junkie, but I typically hit between 20 and 30 different comic, news, and weblog sites a day. It actually got so bad that I had to break it down somewhat, and make seperate lists for different days -- see my Dose pages if you care to

BTW, this is another way to work around the homogenization of primary news sources that someone was mentioning -- by employing a network of weblogs as information filters.

Re: My Daily Dose (1.00 / 1) (#42)
by Anonymous Hero on Sat Jun 03, 2000 at 12:36:53 PM EST

Your not the only one, thats why I created www.fetchnews.com so that alot of the news was all there at once (under nerd news).

[ Parent ]
Re: My Daily Dose (none / 0) (#43)
by Mediatronic on Sat Jun 03, 2000 at 01:52:02 PM EST

I use Geekboys to list all my tech and other sites at once. It's actually how I found Kuro5shin. They have any sites that use a server-side posting method...which is most. Two sites I always check though are Hacker News and Zebulun.org --Mediatronic

[ Parent ]
Re: My Daily Dose (none / 0) (#48)
by FFFish on Sat Jun 03, 2000 at 03:41:12 PM EST

I don't think you're seeing *ALL* the sites we read daily -- just the news ones. To my list of a dozen, add on another sixteen comics, six Windows customization/shell/files sites, and some sites on XML/SGML. In all, I browse *FIFTY* sites regularly, and visit another two dozen each day as links from those sites...

It's way too much, but I'm addicted!

[ Parent ]
Tech news (none / 0) (#45)
by Anonymous Hero on Sat Jun 03, 2000 at 02:47:46 PM EST

Techie news sites I read regularly.

I also read memepool, IWETHEY, and BBC Sci/Tech.

Great Responses Guys (none / 0) (#46)
by Neuromancer on Sat Jun 03, 2000 at 02:49:42 PM EST

Wow, I am really glad that this got such a good response. I bet that all of our reading is going up. I personally would add several of the comics off of < a href="http://www.fleen.com">www.fleen.com. Especially <a href="http://www.goats.com>Goats. And I am a member of <a href="http://www.tpu.org>TPU, so I always check on what's going on over there. Mostly, that and several of the other afforementioned sites are my daily fare. Otherwise, I often look at research stuff from places like cern and nasa. :-)

MLP :) (3.00 / 2) (#47)
by techt on Sat Jun 03, 2000 at 02:59:29 PM EST

My Personal Toolbar Folder contains, in this order:
Kuro5hin.org
Hacker News Network
Cryptome (DO check this one out if you've never seen it before.)
Technocrat.net
2600: The Hacker Quarterly (Besides their news section on the front page, check out their Off The Hook archives in Real Audio.)
First Monday
Feed
SourceForge

Other places I frequent are Wired News, d|i|s|i|n|f|o|r|m|a|t|i|o|n, Slashdot, and of course the search engines (Altavista Advanced Search, Google, HotBot, and Dictionary.com are also on my Personal Toolbar Folder under a subfolder called "Search".)


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might as well get in here... (none / 0) (#50)
by mr. creep on Sat Jun 03, 2000 at 05:34:42 PM EST

I run Geeknik.net so that is on my list, so I can keep it up to date. I detest slashdot, so I don't go there, but places like HardOCP.com, Tweak3d.net, AMDZone.com, and Ars-Technica.com are on my list. Just check the affiliates list on my site to see where I spend my time. :)
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What happened to tech news sites...? (none / 0) (#51)
by Carnage4Life on Sat Jun 03, 2000 at 07:29:14 PM EST

I'm not sure about other sites but I know that slashdot has gone to the dogs primarily because the quality of the readership is lower. The articles are as good as ever but the comments and moderation is positively abhorrent to one's intelligence.

PS: I read slashdot, ZDNet, C|Net, Wired and Wall Street Journal technology for my tech news.

slashdot (none / 0) (#53)
by stevens on Sun Jun 04, 2000 at 12:55:16 AM EST

The comments are actually readable if you browse at +2. And those are all the comments I have time to read anyway.

Steve

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Re: slashdot (none / 0) (#60)
by Paul Dunne on Sun Jun 04, 2000 at 07:53:40 PM EST

Hmm, would that were true. But here is a typical example:

[begin]
                Ask Slashdot: Is The Microsoft-Free Office Possible? (p2 of 35)

   Re:Who cares if it's released? (Score:2)
   by robwicks on Sunday June 04, @12:59PM EDT (#90)
   (User Info)

     So how about some quality printer drivers?

   I agree wholeheartedly. I have an old IBM 4019 printer which I cannot
   get to print properly in Linux, but it works out of the box perfectly
   in Win2000. I run VMWare and print from the virtual machine to
   /dev/lpt0 whenver I need to print a web page or document. I think it
   is ridiculous that there are only about 30 different drivers for
   printers when I use the control panel. Hopefully, I will learn to do a
   bit of programming some day to help fix this.

   [ Reply to This | Parent ]
   Re:Who cares if it's released? (Score:-1, Troll)
   by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04, @02:16PM EDT (#151)
   The operative words: "which I cannot". Indeed, if you can't hack
   Linux, you're better off with Windows. Good riddance to you. The last
   thing the Linux community needs is more people who want everything
   done for them.
[end]

Clueless dummy posting at a default of +2, put right by AC. Result? AC marked down, clueless dummy not. The place is beyond salvation.
http://dunne.home.dhs.org/
[ Parent ]

AvantGo used to be handy (none / 0) (#52)
by SDrifter on Sat Jun 03, 2000 at 11:54:49 PM EST

I own a Palm. So, I used to use AvantGo or ISilo to get all of this stuff sent to me. It was great, except for the grayscale images and whatnot. Oh, and if the site you wanted didn't have a channel, you make your own, which worked solely by link depth, meaning that you got all of the chaff along with the content. (That was a real killer for slashdot.) Oh, and the 400-500k memory footprint of AvantGo was simply unreasonable when you own a lowly Palm IIIe...
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It's loaded with wasabi!
Two not mentioned so far... (1.00 / 1) (#54)
by Stormbringer on Sun Jun 04, 2000 at 01:46:06 AM EST

O'Reilly recently put up a good collector site, Meerkat which made it onto my top bar.
I also make a point of hitting Good Morning Silicon Valley shortly after their 8:30AM PT weekdaily posting, and then nosing around other corners of the site. It's the San Jose Mercury site, and those folks are good at sniffing the local breezes. I wish they still had their "First Light" report, that one was posted at 8:30am ET, a better fit for my East Coast schedule.
Oh, and I catch the SoCal top general news at KFWB-AM Los Angeles, it's a top-40 news station that's good at what it does on the air and on the web.


Some that may not have been mentioned. (none / 0) (#55)
by Zer0 on Sun Jun 04, 2000 at 05:35:41 AM EST

WhirlPool a site for australians (and others) interested in the current state of cable/adsl/internet access in general, in Australia (warning: page reported to crash netscape).

3dNews.net News site mostly aimed at gamers, but often includes news on such things as new hardware/technology etc. While not a "great" site, i still visit each day..

I only mention these sites because stories that appear on other news sites (here, slashdot, wired, cnet etc.) have appeared on these sites first.

Another couple of useful ones (none / 0) (#56)
by stx23 on Sun Jun 04, 2000 at 12:39:20 PM EST

www.tbtf.com/blog & http://www.newsnow.co.uk/-NewsFeed.Tech.htm
The revolution will not be webcast.
Fetchnews (none / 0) (#58)
by jaroca on Sun Jun 04, 2000 at 02:26:06 PM EST

Try this site, it is the best for interesting news. The news posted is basically from everywhere else, but it is organized nicely, and it is only interesting news that gets posted. Fetchnews

Re: Fetchnews (5.00 / 1) (#59)
by Paul Dunne on Sun Jun 04, 2000 at 02:34:01 PM EST

If you want to advertise, ask rusty for the rate card.
http://dunne.home.dhs.org/
[ Parent ]
Re: Fetchnews (none / 0) (#61)
by jaroca on Sun Jun 04, 2000 at 08:21:04 PM EST

Yes, I know that it appeared twice, that was an accident

[ Parent ]
Good news source (none / 0) (#63)
by Anonymous Hero on Mon Jun 05, 2000 at 12:41:55 AM EST

I like to use Infojunkie. It has news from all over arranged in a quick glance format.

news sites (none / 0) (#64)
by trentoshi on Mon Jun 05, 2000 at 11:12:16 AM EST

hackernews

/.

San Jose Mercury

FreshMeat



A few sites (none / 0) (#65)
by El Volio on Mon Jun 05, 2000 at 01:44:28 PM EST

  • SunWorld
  • /.
  • OpenLaw

    And k5 about twice a week ....

  • Mine... (none / 0) (#66)
    by Anonymous Hero on Mon Jun 05, 2000 at 03:21:48 PM EST

    I'm a longtime reader of /., and though it's been overrun by morons I find it's still worth my while. Ars Technica is an excellent site with a good balance between news and tech. The Register does a good job of cutting through a lot of the BS that circulates out there.

    WonkoSlice (none / 0) (#68)
    by wonko on Mon Jun 05, 2000 at 08:18:49 PM EST

    WonkoSlice!

    A couple of higher than average signal:noise sites (none / 0) (#69)
    by maphew on Wed Jun 07, 2000 at 12:29:27 PM EST

    A couple of higher than average signal:noise sites to add to the list:

     



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