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Playboy Endorsing Peacefire

By feline in News
Wed Jun 28, 2000 at 08:53:43 AM EST
Tags: Freedom (all tags)
Freedom

In an article from playboy online, playboy.com digital culture writer David Kushner interviewed peacefire's chief Bennett Haselton.


Peacefire is an organization that tries to preserve freedom on the internet for children that maintains the position that there are worse things in the world than a youth seeing the word 'fuck' or seeing a pair of breasts every once in a while, and that it's just silly to restrict viewing of internet sites based on what other people think is wrong. (I'm sorry if some people are offended by my use of the words 'fuck' or 'breast,' but if you are, you most likely have some kind of nifty blocking software)

Peacefire has furthur been a leading member in the reach to crack the datebases of blocking software such as cyberpatrol to reveal the list of sites that are blocked by such software to show how stupid the criteria for site limitation is.

One of the main points of this interview was Bennett maintaining that basicly, parents are not 'automaticly right' (his words) in saying that the word 'fuck' is a mind corrupting and that kids have the right to disagree with their parents on this issue, and I feel that peacefire is there for those. I'm inclined to agree on this one. As a teenager myself, I really don't give a rats ass about what my parents want to 'protect' me from, esspeccially on the inet.

Bennett-'I don't think sites like Playboy's [need] protecting from anyway. No one has ever come forward and shown that there kid was harmed by any website...'

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Playboy Endorsing Peacefire | 10 comments (10 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)
Get 'em hooked early... (1.00 / 1) (#1)
by PresJPolk on Wed Jun 28, 2000 at 06:46:00 AM EST

Naturally Playboy likes Peacefire. Filtering software is a potential threat to their successful web site, and Peacefire attacks filtering software all the time.

I'm surprised Playboy is publicly talking about an organisation for minors.

Re: Get 'em hooked early... (none / 0) (#3)
by squigly on Wed Jun 28, 2000 at 09:21:48 AM EST

Playboy is too high profile to need to target the kiddie market directly. (Of course teenagers buy the thing, but thats only a small part of their market). It would seriously damage their reputation if they were to go out of their way to try to corrupt kids, since this would result in an increase in strength of the moral movement to ban the publication.

However, playboy does depend strongly on the right to freedom of speech. Filtering software goes totally against their philosophy.

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People who sig other people have nothing intelligent to say for themselves - anonimouse
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The unpleasant truth is... (3.00 / 5) (#2)
by pwhysall on Wed Jun 28, 2000 at 06:54:51 AM EST

that your parents are probably more right than wrong in terms of what they want to protect you from...

As a parent myself, I want to know that I can provide a safe and productive internet experience for my 7-year-old without him tripping over deliberately misspelt domain names and the like.

There *is* a place for filtering software, but it is a tool that helps me be a responsible parent; it doesn't replace me as a guide and supervisor when my child is using the internet.

And there are PLENTY of websites that could profoundly disturb and upset you, were you to view their contents.
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Peter
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I'm going to wager that the story keeps getting dumped because it is a steaming pile of badly formatted fool-meme.
CheeseBurgerBrown

There IS a place for filtering software (none / 0) (#5)
by Tin-Man on Wed Jun 28, 2000 at 01:17:59 PM EST

I agree that there is a place for filtering software.

However, shouldn't the list of blocked sites be made accessible? How can I determine the merits of one filtering program from another if the list of blocked sites isn't made available to me? How do I know that the filtering software isn't also filtering sites with political views opposed to those of the designers or coders or list maintainers?
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Won't someone think of the children! (3.00 / 2) (#4)
by duxup on Wed Jun 28, 2000 at 09:57:47 AM EST

Playboy Endorsing Peacefire, yes and we should be surprised??? I don't trust Playboy's endorsement of Peacefire is completely altruistic.

Playboy obviously has financial and free positive publicity with the kids in consideration when endorsing allowing everyone to go to playboy.com. If they can get them to do the inet equivalent of stealing dad's playboys by visiting the website. The kids will obviously going to be interested in buying the mag when they're old enough, or getting an inet subscription even when they're not old enough.

As for the quote:
"Bennett maintaining that basically, parents are not 'automatically right'"

Someone stop the presses! This Bennett guy discovered that parents aren't automatically right! Wait . . . this isn't news at all. What would worry me is if I were a parent and that that Bennett or kids somehow now gets to say "what's right" just on the basis that parents aren't always right. Well Bennett and kids aren't automatically right either so what do you do then?

As it is Kids don't have the same rights as adults, until that changes, parents can do what they want as per porn, and just about anything else they want.

Regarding your last line:
"As a teenager myself, I really don't give a rats ass about what my parents want to 'protect' me from, especially on the inet."

If you were my kid it would be good to know your opinion, but obviously if I were filtering that stuff, I "wouldn't give a rats ass" about what you want in this area either. Now sit and eat your peas or you don't get any ice-cream or TV time tonight!


Can someone post the article? (none / 0) (#6)
by Tin-Man on Wed Jun 28, 2000 at 01:22:18 PM EST

Okay, so I'm surfing K5 from work. And while our internet monitoring software doesn't block pl*yb*y.c*m, it will flag it for someone to look at and come asking me questions about my visits to certain websites.

Anyone willing to post salient parts of the article?

Thanks!

(I'm just reading it for the articles, honest!)
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Re: Can someone post the article? (none / 0) (#7)
by squigly on Thu Jun 29, 2000 at 08:40:21 AM EST

Playboy is blocked from where I work. Still, http://206.251.29.10 worked for me in the past.

Remember... nslookup is your friend.

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People who sig other people have nothing intelligent to say for themselves - anonimouse
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Re: Can someone post the article? (none / 0) (#10)
by mdpopescu on Wed Jul 05, 2000 at 03:55:15 PM EST

Thanks for the tip! Related to this - does anybody know of a public proxy? My company blocks util.anonymizer.com too (strangely, www.anonymizer.com passes). I'm not interested in being anonymous, just in using a proxy to get blocked content.

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Who nannies the nannies? (5.00 / 1) (#8)
by Digambaranath on Thu Jun 29, 2000 at 12:47:52 PM EST

I am not against filtering software per se, nor do I oppose automatically the right of parents to control what their children see on the internet, TV or wherever. If and when I have children, I'd be quite happy for them to read Playboy, but I would hate to see their impressionable young minds corrupted by TV evangelists ;-)

What is needed is filtering software that is completely under the control of its owner, and people with enough sense to filter intelligently, so that we avoid cases like that of one of my students, who was unable to download Rousseau's Discourse on Inequality (maybe because of the frequent occurrence of the word "naked" - I don't know!).

As for teenagers who are capable of deciding for themselves what to see but are prevented by their parents, I sympathise, but can only offer the following advice:

  1. Get a part-time job, buy your own computer and don't let you parents near it;
  2. Improve your hacking skills.


Re: Who nannies the nannies? (none / 0) (#9)
by Anonymous Hero on Sat Jul 01, 2000 at 07:19:31 PM EST

1. Get a part-time job, buy your own computer and don't let you parents near it; 2. Improve your hacking skills. 3. Get a job and move away from home 4. Pay for your own account. THEN you can do what you want, when you want. Don't freeload off the privileges your parents have earned.

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