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Palm Pilot Software for Plane Trip

By dmkanter in News
Wed Jul 12, 2000 at 12:29:05 PM EST
Tags: Technology (all tags)

I'm about to go on a 20 hour flight. I've got a Palm V with 2 megs of RAM. I'm thinking of upgrading to 8 before I leave on this trip. What suggestions do people have for software or docs that are fun to play with or read to kill around 20 hours on a plane? (I have a real Gameboy, so don't suggest Liberty ;)


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Palm Pilot Software for Plane Trip | 39 comments (38 topical, 1 editorial, 0 hidden)
SimCity! (none / 0) (#1)
by eann on Wed Jul 12, 2000 at 09:39:57 AM EST

I haven't checked myself to substantiate, but I've seen recently that Maxis has ported SimCity to the Palm.

That should keep you busy for a few hours. :)

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my choice is books and/or dev tools (4.00 / 1) (#2)
by Anonymous 242 on Wed Jul 12, 2000 at 10:02:54 AM EST

Personally, I would hop over to memoware.com and pick out quite a few decent books to read. The last time I was on a long flight I had my carry on filled with about 8 400+ page hard bound books (none of which were about technology of any sort). The flight attendant that helped me carry it onboard just loved me.

I'd also look for some sort of dev program to fool around with. Does Perl run on a Palm yet? If not, I'd look for some variant of Smalltalk (I wonder if anyone has ported Squeak to Palm OS yet). Basic would be my last choice.

I'd also make certain to have some sort of text processor other than memo pad. I find that I max out memo pad's size limit pretty quickly. Some of my essays ended up being spread out over ten or twelve memos before I got around to getting something that could handle larger files.

Also pack spare batteries, if you are going to give into the gaming temptation you'll likely chew through your batteries before the flight is up. Those moving graphics (especially the full screen ones) eat batteries far faster than normal palm apps.

I wonder if nethack.....

Re: my choice is books and/or dev tools (none / 0) (#6)
by genehack on Wed Jul 12, 2000 at 11:26:34 AM EST

I'd also look for some sort of dev program to fool around with. Does Perl run on a Palm yet? If not, I'd look for some variant of Smalltalk (I wonder if anyone has ported Squeak to Palm OS yet). Basic would be my last choice.

Don't think there's a Perl; don't know about Squeak -- but there is Lisp for PalmOS -- and a long plane ride might be the best way to pick up a parenthesis language...

I wonder if nethack.....

iRogue is pretty close -- at least in look and feel -- haven't played long enough to know how much 'stuff' is in there.

URLs for those two packages on request -- I'm at work, and can't be arsed to dig them out of the web.

on a break at work, that is...

[ Parent ]

Re: my choice is books and/or dev tools (none / 0) (#7)
by cow_lick on Wed Jul 12, 2000 at 11:30:29 AM EST

I've heard a lot about NetHack lately. What is it? Could you provide a link? And what is iRogue? THanks

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Re: my choice is books and/or dev tools (5.00 / 1) (#8)
by ramses0 on Wed Jul 12, 2000 at 12:16:54 PM EST


NetHack Quotes

In short, NetHack 3.1.3 is the most elaborate role-playing environment you are ever likely to explore. This is a place to return again and again, each time for a different experience. You're really going to have to play it for a year or two an see for yourself. -- "Fatal Distractions" by David Gerrold

Thank you for the latest release of gradewrecker. My GPA just went in the corner and shot itself. -- USENET posting, author unknown

I prefer ADOM (download)

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Actually, now that I think of it... (none / 0) (#13)
by Perianwyr on Wed Jul 12, 2000 at 01:18:06 PM EST

there *is* a palm nethack port effort out there- but it's not done yet.


[ Parent ]
Well, not nethack... (none / 0) (#12)
by Perianwyr on Wed Jul 12, 2000 at 01:15:48 PM EST

...but PocketRogue is available, and is pretty amusing (although I would definitely be into a Palm nethack port!)

[ Parent ]
Liberty? (none / 0) (#3)
by Boojum on Wed Jul 12, 2000 at 10:07:32 AM EST

Forgive me if this is something well known or obvious. But what is Liberty in this case? It sounds interesting, but I haven't heard of it and a web search on a few search engines produced lots of spurious hits and nothing informative. Would someone please enlighten me?

Re: Liberty? (none / 0) (#4)
by tjansen on Wed Jul 12, 2000 at 10:34:07 AM EST

A Gameboy emulator. (cnn article)

[ Parent ]
Infocom games! (none / 0) (#9)
by dieman on Wed Jul 12, 2000 at 12:50:01 PM EST

Go get frotz and a infocom game like HHGTTG and grab a palm keyboard and your set :)
Re: Infocom games! (none / 0) (#10)
by Anonymous Hero on Wed Jul 12, 2000 at 12:53:56 PM EST

Hear! Hear! Something very satisfying about typing "KILL TROLL WITH SWORD". =)

Also a *great* way to practice your grafitti (sp?) or other preferred handwriting recognition.

[ Parent ]
Windows CE (none / 0) (#11)
by Anonymous Hero on Wed Jul 12, 2000 at 12:54:37 PM EST

I have the same problem, but I use windows CE, any suggestions?

Re: Windows CE (none / 0) (#34)
by DigDug on Thu Jul 13, 2000 at 01:35:31 PM EST

I guess you'll just have to wince through it. (Pun intended.)


Yavista - if you haven't found a nice homepage yet.

[ Parent ]

Essentials (none / 0) (#14)
by orthox on Wed Jul 12, 2000 at 01:29:21 PM EST

Here are a few things that I have found to consume lots of time. PocketChess (if you can find an older version it was free)
Galax (like space invaders)
AvantGo (just throw a bunch of sites into it and you have alot of reading material)
Kyle's Quest v.3.2 (An RPG like Final Fantasy, plus there are lots of levels that can be downloaded, although you might want the 8meg upgrade)
Froggy (remake of frogger)
I have also seen a Rogue like game for the pilot, but I forget where it is.

I have also found TRG's FlashPro to be a great help if a bit expensive. It lets you access the flash memory on the pilot. (~800k with the english os)

games, etc (none / 0) (#15)
by robin on Wed Jul 12, 2000 at 01:33:47 PM EST

planetarium, if it's a night flight
lispme, if you fancy diddling with (graphical!) Lisp
traffic and/or vexed, if puzzle games are your thing
hmaki is a cool tetris-style game (but less action packed), zap2000 is a nifty scrolling shooter, sfcave is a great but very simple & small scramble game
Don't overlook pocketchess -- 31k can't be bad

don't forget metro for when you land -- tube maps for pretty much everywhere....

Just a small selection of stuff I've played with recently (I registered & will keep planetarium)
All this stuff should be findable on palmgear, or one of the many other sites out there
W.A.S.T.E. (do not antagonise the Horn)
Dopewars (3.70 / 3) (#16)
by aether on Wed Jul 12, 2000 at 01:36:37 PM EST

Dopewars is the most addicticing game—no pun intended. Buying/selling drugs and running from cops. 20+hrs of entertainment in a simple game...

SFCave (none / 0) (#17)
by fluffy grue on Wed Jul 12, 2000 at 02:25:21 PM EST

Want a game you can just trance out to? Get SFCave. It's very simple (in fact, the controls are just a single button), but I find it to be a GREAT timekiller. My high score is 1800-something. I think the theoretical maximum is 2000, though I'm not sure. At 1800 it was pretty much impossible to go on. :)

Another game I play a lot (if you like puzzle games) is Same Game. There's actually two versions out of it (hence the name Same Game - two friends had independently decided to code it on their own; it's also been ported to Gnome as GnomeSame or GNUSame or something like that), though one of them really sucks and one doesn't. Get the Fran&ccedant;ois Pessaux version, since that's the one which doesn't suck. :)

Also, if you're into really highbrow, PocketChess is one of the better Chess games I've ever played (it's actually beatable on the lower levels, and actually quite cunning on the higher levels, and it has some level of nondeterminism so you're not likely to play the same game repeatedly).

Those are the three things I played most while on my flight to and from Hong Kong. Which I really need to get around to finishing my article on. :) (I haven't even touched it in a month, since I've been busy with other things.) On the way back I was assisted by the Gameboy Color and the Minidisc player I picked up there, though. :) (Both ways had really crappy movies, and to make things worse, it was mostly the same movies both ways because of the way that United rotates the monthly movie schedule and the fact that I went out in May and returned in June.)

Oh, and I know that you knew most of this already, David, seeing as how you're the cousin I was staying with in Hong Kong to begin with. :) But I thought I'd share with everyone else too. (For what it's worth, if I gave you a copy of Same Game while I was there, it was the good one, and I know you have SFCave already.)
"Is not a quine" is not a quine.
I have a master's degree in science!

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Re: SFCave (none / 0) (#18)
by fluffy grue on Wed Jul 12, 2000 at 02:29:02 PM EST

Damnit, I meant to hit preview to make sure that my ç in François was correct. Turns out I was remembering the wrong name for it...
"Is not a quine" is not a quine.
I have a master's degree in science!

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[ Parent ]

how to upgrade? (none / 0) (#19)
by mihalis on Wed Jul 12, 2000 at 02:37:40 PM EST

Are you talking about replacing the Palm V with a Palm Vx (not quite what I called an "upgrade") as otherwise doesn't the upgrade procedure involve a fairly risky procedure since the Palm V case is sealed? If not and there's a new easy way to do it I'd love to know about it.

Chris Morgan - owner of the first Palm V sold in New York City ... probably ... see this
-- Chris Morgan <see em at mihalis dot net>

Re: how to upgrade? (none / 0) (#25)
by Anonymous Hero on Wed Jul 12, 2000 at 09:48:49 PM EST

In Hong Kong there is a guy who will upgrade your V to a Vx for 400 HKD (around 51 dollars US). Check out the singapore palm pilot user's group. (spug.org). they have pictures of these "mass upgrades" they do every few months. I had upgraded with him before, and everything worked just fine (except I voided my warranty ;) Of course after I droped my Vx and sent it to Palm for a replacement, it came back as a V Oh, well, I guess I will have to upgrade again before I leave Hong Kong because all these games people are mentioning sound like a lot of fun!

[ Parent ]
Simcity (none / 0) (#20)
by Thanatos on Wed Jul 12, 2000 at 02:52:03 PM EST

Try simcity classic. It's pretty true to the original, and alot of fun.

Re: Simcity (none / 0) (#21)
by mihalis on Wed Jul 12, 2000 at 04:46:29 PM EST

I found it difficult to use once my cities get big. Too much scrolling around. I keep starting new cities to practice tactics. The Sims really like to live in a residential zone that's on a separate park-lined road from the main road with no industry or power stations nearby. I'm too squeamish to destroy the cities when they get out of control by monster or fire, so I end up eventually just deleting them.
-- Chris Morgan <see em at mihalis dot net>
[ Parent ]
The classics! (none / 0) (#22)
by freakazoid on Wed Jul 12, 2000 at 05:04:36 PM EST

Personally, I like a good book on a plane flight. Easier on the eyes/neck.

For a palm pilot, I would recommend chess, nethack (if it's out for the Palm, I have it on my Psion 5mx), and of course Frotz with some good adventures (HHGTTG, Zork, some of the free ones, of which my favorite is A Change in the Weather so far). People have mentioned Dope Wars, which is pretty decent also.

Re: The classics! (none / 0) (#24)
by Anonymous Hero on Wed Jul 12, 2000 at 09:36:40 PM EST

Zork and other text based adventure games for sure! I forgot all about these. Since I have the foldable keyboard I won'd need to use graffiti to play ;)

[ Parent ]
What Kind of Palm Should I Buy? (none / 0) (#23)
by vagary on Wed Jul 12, 2000 at 07:04:07 PM EST

This is only somewhat related (and maybe deserves its own story), but I'm having some choosing my first Palm (or Handspring). My needs are more modest (5-hour plane rides :) but I would appreciate comments on these 3 questions:

  1. 2MB or 8MB?
  2. Springboard or FlashROM?
  3. Batteries or lithium-ion?

Or should I just wait for Bluetooth?

I asked this a few months ago... (5.00 / 1) (#26)
by joeyo on Wed Jul 12, 2000 at 11:39:03 PM EST

See this story for the responses I got when I asked that question. I ended up getting a Palm IIIxe. Here are my reasons:
  1. Because of the 8 megs. I haven't used much of it yet, but I expect to use most of the RAM during the machines lifespan. (One caveat: my palm may or may not be affected by the memory bug which affects the 8 meg palm handhelds. Make sure you dont get one of those. See the palm.com site for more info.)
  2. Because handspring modules were (are) largely vaporware.
  3. Because the ROM is flashable.
  4. Because I couldn't afford the Palm VII :)

Just make sure (if you get a IIIxe), that you grab a three-pack of extra III series stylii. The one that it comes with feels pretty cheap compared to the nice metal ones the III has

"Give me enough variables to work with, and I can probably do away with the notion of human free will." -- demi
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Re: What Kind of Palm Should I Buy? (none / 0) (#31)
by Zarniwoop on Thu Jul 13, 2000 at 11:18:09 AM EST

I just got a Visor Deluxe. Very nice, comes with a stylus, eight megs of ram, and, of course, the springboard slot. Costs a bit over $200, and takes two AAA batteries.

So far, I've been extremely impressed. Good deal, and nice machine. And, if you're into that kinda thing, you can get it in fruity colors. God bless america.

Go here.

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Re: What Kind of Palm Should I Buy? (none / 0) (#35)
by Zarniwoop on Thu Jul 13, 2000 at 02:17:51 PM EST

Er, that should have been a /nice metal/ stylus. Was in a hurry...

[ Parent ]
Palm IIIc of course! (none / 0) (#32)
by KindBud on Thu Jul 13, 2000 at 12:12:55 PM EST

I've been waiting for a color Palm before I dove into the handheld thing. eBay has lots of them up for bid -- "NIB" (new in box). I should win a bid for one when the auction closes today, and will probably pay about $310.

This story on K5, in fact, was the inspiration for me to go ahead and get one now.

Now I get to face a big problem: how do I sync the contacts between Outlook on my desktop, Outlook on my laptop, address book on my new Palm IIIc, the phone book on my PCS wap phone, and the address book on my TWIG/WAPmail setup? Maybe throw My Yahoo into the mix, too. Ugh.

I need an Internet-based contact management service that is accessible to all devices and applications. Any takers? :)

just roll a fatty

[ Parent ]

Get AvantGo (5.00 / 1) (#27)
by joeyo on Wed Jul 12, 2000 at 11:53:48 PM EST

If you haven't got it already, grab a copy of AvantGo. You can use it to download city guides/restaurant guides/news/whetever for wherever you are going. Heck, you can even read (and make posts!) to K5 while you are in transit.

My current favorite avantgo channel is Hand Held Crime, which has had some good hardboiled short stories thus far...

"Give me enough variables to work with, and I can probably do away with the notion of human free will." -- demi

Kuro5hin channel? (none / 0) (#28)
by current on Thu Jul 13, 2000 at 05:31:34 AM EST

Has anyone constructed Kuro5hin for AvantGo?
If you have, have you submitted it into AvantGo?
If so, under wich category?

Could we have "official Kuro5Hin channel" for AvantGo...

At least for now, i could not find preconsructed Kuro5hin channel in AvantGo directory.

The Eternal Meta-Discussion

[ Parent ]
Re: Kuro5hin channel? (none / 0) (#30)
by joeyo on Thu Jul 13, 2000 at 08:47:51 AM EST

Try this link. I haven't been able to get links off of the main page to work, however. This may have something to do with using scoop to generate the pages. Anyone want to code a 'lite' mode generator into Scoop?

"Give me enough variables to work with, and I can probably do away with the notion of human free will." -- demi
[ Parent ]

adventure games (5.00 / 1) (#29)
by pharm on Thu Jul 13, 2000 at 06:44:06 AM EST

Head over to ftp.gmd.de/if-archive and grab a copy of PalmFrotz together with every inform adventure game there. Sounds like an excellent opportunity to get lost in curses, SoFar, Spider+Web ...

Dark Haven and Ackeron (none / 0) (#33)
by Anonymous Hero on Thu Jul 13, 2000 at 12:30:40 PM EST

Go to www.gasgorf.com and grab Dark Haven and Ackeron. These are the best RPG style games I've found for my palm. I've registered both, and couldn't count the hours wated!

DREADLing - Doom-like game w/ fast 3D engine (none / 0) (#36)
by Anonymous Hero on Thu Jul 13, 2000 at 03:49:40 PM EST


I suggest downloading shareware DREADLing from www.dreadling.com, and later buying it to support your addiction. (No, I don't work for them.)

- Doom-like fps play that screams
- Make yer own levels w/ EDLing editor
- Makes nearby Palm owners VERY envious
- Strafe, circle, concentrate fire...
- multiple weapon and monster types
- Small footprint (depending on # and size of levels)

I've been playing it for months now on my Visor and have beamed the shareware to MANY a curious passerby. Batteries drain fast ( Visor esp.) with this running, so be warned.

Oh, another game to check is Pmonkey, available on www.eruptor.com. It is a odd, but cool little virtual pet.

Dopewars, PocketChess, AvantGo, TealPaint are great too. But, if you want to stay up on IT security, go to L0pht.com and see what they're cooking up.

So cheat your landlord if you can and must, but don't try to shortchange the Muse. It cannot be done. You can't fake quality any more than you can fake a good meal.
- W.S. Burroughs

Blackout (none / 0) (#37)
by Anonymous Hero on Fri Jul 14, 2000 at 11:43:11 AM EST

Go find a little game called Blackout. It's diabolically simple, even simpler than Othello, and will keep you busy for hours, I guarantee it.

pilot games (1.50 / 2) (#38)
by Anonymous Hero on Fri Jul 14, 2000 at 12:55:30 PM EST

Quake 3 on the pilot is pretty good.

I find books to be the best (none / 0) (#39)
by Derek Moeller on Sun Jul 16, 2000 at 01:15:59 AM EST

Although I don't have a PDA, I do have a laptop, and frankly I've witnessed that books are more powerful than many people think for these extremely long times of dullness. What I do like the laptop for, however, is writing whatever comes to mind, or maybe even something I've been assigned to write, or a personal essay. That's when the laptop is really handy, I don't much like writing on paper, as the editing et al capability of, say, xemacs, is vastly superior (I am finally learning enough emacs to the point where I look nifty as I hit a bunch of keys nearly simultaneously and the text onscreen jumps about in unpredictable ways). Not only that, but I can write it in HTML and post it to a website after the trip is done. Rewriting written work bugs the earwax out of me.

Still, though, if I'm not in the mood to write, one of the Douglas Adams or Terry Pratchett or similar books really boils off the hours, and keeps me more amused than some 3D shoot-em up will (which in comparison I find fairly boring, highly repetetive at least (though using that logic Tetric shouldn't be fun :) ). I've never carried 8 400 page hardbacks on board, but two to three 2-300 page paper-back books have never failed me.
-- Derek Moeller

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