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MPAA and RIAA Sue Scour

By jark in News
Fri Jul 21, 2000 at 04:52:48 AM EST
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Seems that the MPAA has decided to join in the online piracy fray by deciding to serve Scour with a lawsuit, alleging that their Scour Exchange application facilitates piracy of movies, seeing as it is capable of locating a variety of multimedia related files. The interesting thing is that the RIAA and the MPAA decided to make the announcement jointly.

The RIAA conducted some testing and placed their results online. Note that MOST of the files they are downloading in the screenshots are not even COMPLETE movies. The MPAA has their own page regarding the lawsuit here and Scour posted their response here. Can't these people learn to attempt to resolve these issues out of court rather than using litigation as their primary means of problem resolution?


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MPAA and RIAA Sue Scour | 14 comments (10 topical, 4 editorial, 0 hidden)
Not Understanding This At All (4.70 / 3) (#5)
by Anonymous Hero on Fri Jul 21, 2000 at 07:58:28 AM EST

The main concern of the MPAA seems to be that Scour 'could facilitate' the exchange of copyrighted material.

I don't want to seem logical here but why does providing a service which could be perverted constitute a crime?

There must be thousands of examples where an object or service could be used to perpetrate a crime, but you don't see law suits being slapped on these people.

This is a big case of jumping on the bandwagon and closing their eyes to the future.

The British RIP bill seems to address this 'future' abuse issue by making it a requirement of ISP's to declare that they will not post something libelous about an individual if that individual becomes concerned that they might.

This does not apply to the written/published media as far as I am aware. Why the comparison? Well it all seems to stem from 'future intent' which is being made illegal in the internet medium but is laughed at in the real world.

Just a small rant.


RIP and Libel (4.50 / 2) (#6)
by squigly on Fri Jul 21, 2000 at 08:11:39 AM EST

The RIP bill is not about libel, but about police powers to gather information from computers and ISP's.

The Libel laws already apply. Under Libel laws, the writer and the publisher are liable. The publisher includes a lot of people including the editorial team, and the shops. Digitally, ISP's are also considered publishers. That means that you can sue them for something one of their customers posts on a web site. (This also seems to apply to usenet since the legal system has a hard time understanding the difference between the Internet and the WWW)

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Sue happy companies (none / 0) (#7)
by Anonymous Hero on Fri Jul 21, 2000 at 12:28:27 PM EST

If they can't prove any wrong-doing (I haven't read everything, what're they alleging?), why don't some people counter-sue these people for harassing lawsuits, and attempt to stifle competition (forget the legal term..)

-- Ender, Duke_of_URL

The Cybersenator (none / 0) (#12)
by jonkatz on Sun Jul 23, 2000 at 04:28:07 PM EST

One only U.S. senator to my knowledge has ever spoken sanely on this issue..Patrick Leahy of Vt., who told the New York Times recently that this kind of litigation is silly and won't resolve the issue.. "This is not like U.S. Steel evolving over decades. This could be a brilliant 19-year-old in a college dorm figuring out Gnutella or some like it. Y ou can't stop it. You couldn't stop it even if you wanted to. What we need to do, I think, is make sure copyrightrs and patent laws actually reflect the new reality." Amazing to hear that come out of a politician. But the problem is that copyright laws don't reflect anything close to reality. The Net has become a super-Xerox machine and copyright either has to be eliminated or re-defined. Until it is, businesses and government and the legal profession will react in these thoughtless and self destructive ways.

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Clueful Politican? (none / 0) (#13)
by Anonymous Hero on Sun Jul 23, 2000 at 07:24:21 PM EST


Has this congresscritter figured out that the current implementation IP(law) is just wrong-footed? Done any history work on the development of IP? Any way this guy can be supported?

And Xerox (analog) is a bad analogy, those usually degrade. We're talking about replicators for information.

I think a better problem to look at is how to pay/renumerate artists/creators, and allow them control of their work. Even *I* don't have a solution for that one yet, not even a nebelous one. And I'm damn egotistical :)

-- Ender, Duke_of_URL

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Take a look at their screenshots (none / 0) (#8)
by Eloquence on Fri Jul 21, 2000 at 02:51:12 PM EST

Man, that must be real computer experts, having all those funky programs running in the system tray. I bet they even have Real Player set to "Please report my surfing habits to REAL.COM everytime I logon".
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RIAA/MPAA (3.50 / 2) (#9)
by baka_boy on Fri Jul 21, 2000 at 04:26:56 PM EST

I don't see either of these organizations having the best propects for the future. They are dinosaurs predating digital technology, operating on the assumption that the production, sale, and distribution of media can be controlled. That is no longer valid. Period. Back in the day, it may have been do-able: the equipment, skills, connections, etc. needed to put together something like a feature film were far beyond your average garage hobbyist. However, that's no longer the case.

What worries me is that they seem to have Congress and the Supreme Court somewhat convinced that they're not dead yet. Hence, we have the MPCA, and God knows what else waiting in the pipes. These zombie organizations could leave future generations with some really nasty legislation to slowly unravel, and by the time we're finally unencumbered by it, the US will either have lost all its competitive edge in media distribution in the global marketplace, or have pushed the average joe who wants to listen to his music in his car and at work just a bit too far, making all intellectual property law appear to the average citizen to be complete BS.

Re: MPCA (none / 0) (#10)
by Perpetual Newbie on Sat Jul 22, 2000 at 12:52:48 AM EST

Hence, we have the MPCA, and God knows what else waiting in the pipes.

For someone who doesn't know, could you enlighten me as to what the MPCA is?

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Re: MPCA (none / 0) (#14)
by jbridge21 on Mon Sep 18, 2000 at 05:37:57 PM EST

I believe he meant DMCA, meaning the Digital Millennium [sp?] Copyright Act. Enacted by a unanimous vote in the Senate...

copy of the DMCA on my site

Have a nice day, while you're rights are being taken away....

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Re: RIAA/MPAA (none / 0) (#11)
by fluffy grue on Sat Jul 22, 2000 at 02:14:00 AM EST

I think that due to their glum futures, the lawyers of both the RIAA and MPAA both need to join what they have in common - AA.

(This has been a random, tasteless, off-topic joke brought to you by sleep deprivation, the thing that keeps working even when you're not.)
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