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K5 Nominated for Webby

By rusty in News
Tue Apr 24, 2001 at 04:13:37 PM EST
Tags: Kuro5hin.org (all tags)
Kuro5hin.org

Started five years ago, the Webby Awards are the Oscars of the 'net, and this year's nominees include a site that ought to be pretty familiar to most of you.

The official announcement isn't until Thurday (4/26), but Webbys founder Tiffany Shlain appeared on Good Morning America this morning with a preview of the nominees in the "community" category. Though listed on the show as "Kuro5shin.org", and announced by Ms. Shlain as "Coercion dot org", we very much suspect that they mean us.


The other nominees in "community" are Craigslist, ChickClick, Beliefnet, and Fray.com.

The fifth annual Webbys will be presented July 18th at the War Memorial Opera House in San Francisco, and will be jammed full of the Beautiful People, leaving Yours Truly utterly out of my element. It should make for an interesting article, anyway.

I assume, if you're reading this, that you think K5 should win. The official Webbys are hand picked by a cabal of judges, so we just have to hope, but luckily you can vote for us for the People's Voice Awards, which are presented for each category as well. If you're here by accident, and you think K5 sucks, you should vote for Craigslist instead. :-)

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And the winner is...
o Craigslist 3%
o Kuro5hin 61%
o Fray.com 4%
o Beliefnet 3%
o Chickclick 6%
o Susan Lucci 21%

Votes: 147
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K5 Nominated for Webby | 109 comments (103 topical, 6 editorial, 0 hidden)
Everyone get ready (3.00 / 7) (#2)
by aphrael on Tue Apr 24, 2001 at 02:22:50 PM EST

to welcome a large wave of new immigrants.

Oh no!!! (3.00 / 4) (#31)
by RandomPeon on Tue Apr 24, 2001 at 05:47:19 PM EST

<SARCASM> Not new people! They'll, like, contribute to discussions and maybe bring a new perspective or someting! Heck, they might challenge established dogma, or even post different stories! I'm going right back to Slashdot, where dissenting opinions are modded out of existence...</SARCASM>

[ Parent ]
Wow ... (4.66 / 6) (#33)
by aphrael on Tue Apr 24, 2001 at 05:52:44 PM EST

I hadn't expected such a dose of sarcasm. How can I counter it? :)

I've been around for a year now. There've been several massive waves of immigration. Each one noticeably changes the flavor of the site, and each one fragments the community. (Note that there are now people seriously suggesting we ditch the K5 story moderation system in favor of the slashdot one).

This may or may not be a good thing; it's an inevitable thing, and fighting it is as pointless as fighting the sea. And in a way that's part of what makes the site interesting; how do we as a community absorb immigrants, and how does that change the way we function, and concieve of ourselves as a community?

Yet at the samt time, part of me wishes K5 were still small. I'm not going to rail against newbies (except to point out when they demonstrate stupidity), or try to keep them out, but i'm torn --- it's good that we're growing, but in some ways it's also bad that we're growing.

Much of life is like this; you take the good with the bad. *shrug*

[ Parent ]

go chickclick.com go! (3.00 / 5) (#3)
by eLuddite on Tue Apr 24, 2001 at 02:23:44 PM EST

No offense to the goatse.cx community.

---
God hates human rights.

What rusty didn't mention... (3.14 / 7) (#4)
by Michael Leuchtenburg on Tue Apr 24, 2001 at 02:24:15 PM EST

Rusty forgot to mention that abcnews originally had us listed as kur5hin.org on their page, and acestus created it and redirected it (with gandi.net's nameservers) to goatse.cx.

Unfortunately, Gandi.net's dragging their ass, while abcnews has since fixed the typo. Oh well. When we're really popular it'll be one less typo site for pornster's to get. :)

[ #k5: dyfrgi ]
[ TINK5C ]

One question Rusty (4.00 / 6) (#5)
by farmgeek on Tue Apr 24, 2001 at 02:30:29 PM EST

Are you prepared for the possibly large influx of surfers? I really need my daily k5 fix and I'd hate to see the site submerged.

Quick! (2.60 / 5) (#19)
by ucblockhead on Tue Apr 24, 2001 at 04:34:58 PM EST

Quick, change the name of the site!

If they can't find it, they can't swap it.
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This is k5. We're all tools - duxup
[ Parent ]

Err (2.60 / 5) (#21)
by ucblockhead on Tue Apr 24, 2001 at 04:35:55 PM EST

swamp it, that is.
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This is k5. We're all tools - duxup
[ Parent ]
ah (2.60 / 5) (#32)
by delmoi on Tue Apr 24, 2001 at 05:51:24 PM EST

I was wondering what the hell you ment.
--
"'argumentation' is not a word, idiot." -- thelizman
[ Parent ]
I dont know about the best community web site (3.42 / 7) (#7)
by unstable on Tue Apr 24, 2001 at 02:46:43 PM EST

But I know who gets my vote for the best community.....

OK enough of the mushy stuff, now bugger off the lot of you!

congrats Rusty





Reverend Unstable
all praise the almighty Bob
and be filled with slack

Well, let's see... (3.62 / 8) (#8)
by Faulty Dreamer on Tue Apr 24, 2001 at 02:50:52 PM EST

I assume, if you're reading this, that you think K5 should win.
Not to be an ass, but you assume wrong. Sure, this place is cool, but not everyone that frequents it automatically thinks of it as the be all, end all of the web. I like it, but I don't like it that much.

This really isn't meant as an insult, just a reality check. K5 is cool, but not that cool.

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Faulty Dreams - Barking at the moon 24/7...

If you think I'm an asshole, it's only because you haven't realized what a fucking idiot I am. - Faulty Dreamer

Heh (4.25 / 8) (#14)
by rusty on Tue Apr 24, 2001 at 03:27:58 PM EST

If you read the rest of that sentence, you'll note that I made a recommendation for those who, like you, don't think K5 should win. Personally, I voted for Craigslist in the poll. Of course, I had no idea that Derek from Fray was such a big fan, and I assume that he would have other ideas about who ought to win too. :-)

Anyway, it was tongue in cheek. But thanks for the belittlement. I was starting to have trouble fitting my head through doorways.

____
Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]

Sorry. (3.00 / 5) (#24)
by Faulty Dreamer on Tue Apr 24, 2001 at 05:02:09 PM EST

I kind of thought that might be the case, but I figured with the blatantly over-the-top ego of some of the K5ers these days, you can never be *sure*.

Ah well, let me know next time you get to feeling that you need a put-down. My family has taught me some real doozies:-).

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Faulty Dreams - Barking at the moon 24/7...

If you think I'm an asshole, it's only because you haven't realized what a fucking idiot I am. - Faulty Dreamer
[ Parent ]

Congrats, K5! (4.08 / 12) (#10)
by fraying on Tue Apr 24, 2001 at 03:04:36 PM EST

Hello everyone. I'm Derek (from fray.com). Long time lurker, first time poster. I just wanted to say congrats to Rusty and K5 on the nomination! I bet we'll both get smoked by Beliefnet, which is the only big budget site on the list. Still ... yay!

nominations.. (3.00 / 4) (#12)
by driph on Tue Apr 24, 2001 at 03:15:22 PM EST

Congrats on your nomination as well, Derek! Going to be a hell of a summer, eh?

Beliefnet, hmm... Isn't ChickClick a top down site as well?

--
Vegas isn't a liberal stronghold. It's the place where the rich and powerful gamble away their company's pension fund and strangle call girls in their hotel rooms. - Psycho Dave
[ Parent ]

Yeah, but (2.40 / 5) (#15)
by Karmakaze on Tue Apr 24, 2001 at 03:30:59 PM EST

ChickClick is awful. I used to use ChickMail but they buried it under the world's biggest frame and the mail server just got slower and slower. Ick.


--
Karmakaze
[ Parent ]

So... (wildly off topic) (3.33 / 3) (#58)
by pete on Wed Apr 25, 2001 at 12:44:31 AM EST

...out of random curiosity, I click on your home page link and: the game Champions is still around??!!! Wow, talk about a blast from the past. I remember playing that, er, 15 years ago or so. The one thing that sticks in my mind from that game is that when you created your guy, you could get more cool stuff by having disadvantages as well, so I would always end up having a character with the Super Plasma Blast of Destruction, but a wicked limp and three noses. Or something like that.

--pete


[ Parent ]
OT: Excuse me while I goob (3.00 / 1) (#77)
by Karmakaze on Wed Apr 25, 2001 at 08:55:12 AM EST

Yeah, Champions (aka HERO System) is still around. It's still on 4th edition (since the early 90's) and the company has been swearing there is a 5th edition in the works. And it'll be out any day now. Really. Any day now. It's probably at the printers as we speak. I know we've been making this announcement every quarter for the last three years, but it's coming out any day now. We mean it this time. Any day now. Really.

They have been putting out supplements and modules and stuff. You can always visit their website to see what they're doing.

Pretty much any of the point based stat games (as opposed to randomly generated stats like D&D) will have some way to get more character points for taking disadvantages. That very trendy White Wolf system (the one where people pretend to be Vampires...) calls them Flaws. A good game master will limit what people can take to a sane level.


--
Karmakaze
[ Parent ]

Heh (3.00 / 1) (#82)
by spiralx on Wed Apr 25, 2001 at 10:49:23 AM EST

I always liked the descriptions of the power-characters in the Champions GM book. How to construct a wildly unbalanced character with the standard amount of CPs :)

You're doomed, I'm doomed, we're all doomed for ice cream. - Bob Aboey
[ Parent ]

Hrm... (3.42 / 7) (#20)
by shoeboy on Tue Apr 24, 2001 at 04:35:31 PM EST

Isn't ChickClick a top down site as well?

Top down, bottom up, it's all good.

--Shoeboy
No more trolls!
[ Parent ]
fray.com makes me cry (3.00 / 5) (#22)
by jbrw on Tue Apr 24, 2001 at 04:55:30 PM EST

Ooh - it's Mr. Powazek - my personal favourite web designer (which is a weird thing to have, I admit).

Go check out fray.com - it's a beautiful site.

...j
---
"We beat the .usians at their own game of zero tolerance"
[ Parent ]

re: fray.com makes me cry (3.66 / 3) (#26)
by fraying on Tue Apr 24, 2001 at 05:07:49 PM EST

Thanks, jbrw!

I used to have a rule with fray submissions - if one made me cry, it was automatically accepted. Of course, then people started complaining that the site was too depressing....

[ Parent ]
How long... (3.44 / 9) (#17)
by tailchaser on Tue Apr 24, 2001 at 04:22:21 PM EST

The official Webbys are hand picked by a cabal of judges
How long until the "There is no Webby cabal" .sigs start showing up? ;p

-tc

...bout this long (4.00 / 3) (#50)
by GreenHell on Tue Apr 24, 2001 at 10:25:09 PM EST

Done & done...

-GreenHell
This .sig was my last best hope to seem eloquent. It failed.
[ Parent ]
Susan Lucci (3.14 / 7) (#18)
by Miniluv on Tue Apr 24, 2001 at 04:23:41 PM EST

Rusty, if K5 wins I demand you dedicate the award to the loving thought and spirit of Susan Lucci. We all know she can't act worth a damn, she's really not spectacular looking, and kinda dumb to boot. But damn she gets jilted a lot at the daytime emmy's and she really deserves something for trying.

Come on, tell me how to moderate. I DARE YOU!


She won, finally (3.50 / 6) (#30)
by Keslin on Tue Apr 24, 2001 at 05:24:00 PM EST

Well, Susan Lucci did finally win a couple of years ago, so I don't think that we need to go that far out of our way to feel sorry for her. I have never even seen her show, but I was happy to hear that she had finally won.

I hope that you're not cursing Kuro5hin to a Lucci-like showing at the Webbys though.

-Keslin, the naked nerd girl.

[ Parent ]

Yeah (3.00 / 3) (#35)
by Miniluv on Tue Apr 24, 2001 at 06:10:17 PM EST

I had heard she had finally won. As far as K5 at the Webbys, I think it's a testament that the site got nominated. I'll look at it that it's better to be a bridesmaid than left at home, even if you never do manage to be the bride yourself.

Come on, tell me how to moderate. I DARE YOU!


[ Parent ]
No one cares about Coercion (3.25 / 8) (#23)
by slakhead on Tue Apr 24, 2001 at 04:55:43 PM EST

The best damn heavy metal band in illinois!

They surely didn't mean for k5 to get nominated over such a fine weblog as coercion.org.

Okay, I'll ask. (3.16 / 6) (#25)
by spaceghoti on Tue Apr 24, 2001 at 05:05:17 PM EST

How are we supposed to pronounce "kuro5hin", anyway? I've been pronouncing it "cure-o-shin" and I'd certainly hate to be gauche.



"Humor. It is a difficult concept. It is not logical." -Saavik, ST: Wrath of Khan



Check the FAQ (4.25 / 4) (#27)
by MrAcheson on Tue Apr 24, 2001 at 05:13:43 PM EST

Its pronounced corrosion, as in rust, as in Rusty. Get it?


These opinions do not represent those of the US Army, DoD, or US Government.


[ Parent ]
How gauche of me. (2.75 / 4) (#34)
by spaceghoti on Tue Apr 24, 2001 at 06:07:28 PM EST

I missed that in the FAQ. Thanks!



"Humor. It is a difficult concept. It is not logical." -Saavik, ST: Wrath of Khan

[ Parent ]
The irony... (3.37 / 8) (#37)
by puzzlingevidence on Tue Apr 24, 2001 at 06:46:23 PM EST

The irony is, of course, that your handle is pronounced "spacefish" :)

---
A man may build a throne of bayonets, but he can not sit on it. --Inge
[ Parent ]

It's even more amazing... (3.33 / 3) (#42)
by DoomHaven on Tue Apr 24, 2001 at 08:19:02 PM EST

...how many people implicitly admit to watching that campy TV version of "Batman", and can recognize that obscure reference to it.

Er, like me, I guess, now. Damn. Oops. 8^)

My bleeding edge comes from cutting myself on Occam's Razor.
[ Parent ]
eh? (4.33 / 3) (#44)
by Sunir on Tue Apr 24, 2001 at 08:42:30 PM EST

Perhaps you'd be interested to know What is "ghoti"?

"Look! You're free! Go, and be free!" and everyone hated it for that. --r
[ Parent ]

Oops! (3.00 / 2) (#48)
by DoomHaven on Tue Apr 24, 2001 at 09:27:52 PM EST

Thanks for the link! I always assumed it was a reference to a very archiac episode of the 70s TV take off of "Batman", where Batman properly translates the name "Ghoti Oeufs" to "Fish Eggs" ("oeufs" is French for "eggs").

My bleeding edge comes from cutting myself on Occam's Razor.
[ Parent ]
I don't get it (4.50 / 2) (#45)
by enterfornone on Tue Apr 24, 2001 at 08:43:55 PM EST

I always assumed it was a reference to extra-terrestrial spagetti.

--
efn 26/m/syd
Will sponsor new accounts for porn.
[ Parent ]
You mean... (none / 0) (#107)
by KnightStalker on Fri Apr 27, 2001 at 06:13:52 PM EST

it's not a reference to Space Ghost? I figured "ghoti" was "ghost" in some language I don't know. I've seen that "ghoti"=="fish" thing a long time ago, but I wouldn't have recognized it without help :-)

[ Parent ]
Hah! (none / 0) (#109)
by spaceghoti on Thu May 03, 2001 at 06:37:18 PM EST

I got one! That's precisely the sort of misunderstanding I was hoping to propagate!



"Humor. It is a difficult concept. It is not logical." -Saavik, ST: Wrath of Khan

[ Parent ]
koor-oh-shin (3.60 / 5) (#39)
by Delirium on Tue Apr 24, 2001 at 06:49:50 PM EST

I pronounce it "koor-oh-shin" and no amount of "corrosion" crap will change my mind. =P

--AIM: Delirium4u. Or read my diary.


[ Parent ]

Perhaps a poll? (3.00 / 1) (#71)
by Khalad on Wed Apr 25, 2001 at 05:21:00 AM EST

I've always said "keer-o-shin" or "cure-o-shin." Sounds much cooler than "corrosion." Bah!


You remind me why I still, deep in my bitter crusty broken heart, love K5. —rusty


[ Parent ]
Kay-Five. But, the important question is... (3.00 / 1) (#75)
by Estanislao Martínez on Wed Apr 25, 2001 at 07:35:39 AM EST

...how does one pronounce 'kurobot'? KEW-row-bot, kew-ROW-bot, KOO-row-bot, koo-ROW-bot, KOO-roh-bot, or koo-ROH-bot?

I'm voting for KOO-roh-bot.

--em
[ Parent ]

Yup (2.00 / 1) (#83)
by spiralx on Wed Apr 25, 2001 at 10:50:54 AM EST

That's how I've been pronouncing it so far...

You're doomed, I'm doomed, we're all doomed for ice cream. - Bob Aboey
[ Parent ]

In Japanese (4.00 / 3) (#92)
by tofuhead on Wed Apr 25, 2001 at 07:55:02 PM EST

..."kuroshin" can mean "dark truth." Needless to say, I like this fitting translation a lot.

That, or "black god," which is what I (as a newbie but on/off lurker to this site) first thought the name meant.

< tofuhead >

[ Parent ]

"black god"? (3.00 / 1) (#97)
by mdxi on Thu Apr 26, 2001 at 01:24:58 AM EST

Not to be contrarian, but off the top of my head, "shin" doesn't translate as "god". It can be translated as:

New, core, heart, wick, marrow, truth, faith, fidelity, sincerity, trust, devotion, reliance, reality, genuineness, eighth (chinese ordinal)

and searching for words meaning "god" starting with 'shi', I find:

shinigami: god of death
shouki: god to ward off illness
shinshu: god tree
shimobe: manservent; servant of god
shinjin: faith; devotion to god
shinbutsu: shinto and buddhism (gods and buddha)

I'm not claiming to be authoritative, that statement just doesn't jibe with anything that i do know...

--
SYN SYN NAK
[ Parent ]

shin = god (4.00 / 2) (#98)
by tofuhead on Thu Apr 26, 2001 at 05:04:30 AM EST

Yep, "shin" is the inherited Chinese pronunciation of the kanji (written Chinese character) meaning "god." Native Japanese pronunciation of this same character is "kami." Both are correct.

Example: Alone, this kanji is pronounced "kami." As part of the compound word "shintou" (Japan's native animist religion), the Chinese pronunciation is used.

< tofuhead >

[ Parent ]

pffft (3.00 / 1) (#103)
by mdxi on Thu Apr 26, 2001 at 03:03:29 PM EST

bloody on and kun readings...this is why i stick mostly to spoken japanese. hope my wife never finds this; she speaks/reads/writes japanese and chinese and would mock me severely.

thanks for the lesson :)

--
SYN SYN NAK
[ Parent ]

From Rusty's Acceptance Speech... (3.62 / 8) (#28)
by Captain_Tenille on Tue Apr 24, 2001 at 05:17:46 PM EST

muted roar of audience...

Thank you, thank you.

I would normally have said thanks to all the Canadians, Captains, and Trolls who have made kuro5hin.org possible, but I can't.

You see, the situation in Uzlamastan is terrible, so I feel I must decline this award to bring attention to the Uzlamastani plight, which the world ignores.

Thank you.

rusty's speech is immediately modded down to 1 for being to "Uzlamastani-centric".

Also, apologies to Marlon Brando & rusty :-).
----
/* You are not expected to understand this. */

Man Vs. Nature: The Road to Victory!

2 requests (4.00 / 7) (#29)
by perdida on Tue Apr 24, 2001 at 05:21:05 PM EST

1) Please let us know how the party goes

2) and take PICTURES and hunt up CELEBRITIES and POST THEM SOMEWHERE so we can all see!

Consider yourself a journalist dispatched by the k5 community to the Beautiful People world.. in my experience, this may make it a little more comfortable being in such a place. This usually works for me, when i am in an uncomfortable setting I pretend I'm covering it for someone else, which allows me a bit more distance and "objectivity," thus helping me relax.


The most adequate archive on the Internet.
I can't shit a hydrogen fuel cell car. -eeee
If I get to go (4.00 / 2) (#69)
by Inoshiro on Wed Apr 25, 2001 at 04:43:02 AM EST

I will be sure to be a good paparatzi with my digital camera.



--
[ イノシロ ]
[ Parent ]
Assume? (3.00 / 10) (#36)
by puzzlingevidence on Tue Apr 24, 2001 at 06:13:05 PM EST

I assume, if you're reading this, that you think K5 should win.

You know what they say about assuming...

IMHO, Beliefnet is an excellent site. I participate in the atheism and secular humanism sections more often than I post here. I'm probably going to vote for them.

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A man may build a throne of bayonets, but he can not sit on it. --Inge

Uh... (4.62 / 8) (#40)
by kwsNI on Tue Apr 24, 2001 at 07:15:36 PM EST

You know what they say about assuming...

You make an ass of you and Ming? Isn't that a little racist? Who the hell is Ming anyways?

kwsNI
I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it. -Jack Handy
[ Parent ]

Ming (4.50 / 2) (#53)
by inpHilltr8r on Tue Apr 24, 2001 at 11:08:00 PM EST

Ming the Merciless ?

[ Parent ]
Beliefnet (3.00 / 2) (#54)
by enterfornone on Tue Apr 24, 2001 at 11:43:47 PM EST

Never really looked at their forums. It seems whenever you do a search for something vaguely religious you get a link to one of their quizzes. Certainly a well marketed site.

--
efn 26/m/syd
Will sponsor new accounts for porn.
[ Parent ]
the webbys suck (3.30 / 10) (#38)
by Delirium on Tue Apr 24, 2001 at 06:46:54 PM EST

Bah. I hate the Webbys. The name is stupid, the concept is stupid, the sites that win are stupid. It's modeled after the Oscars, which is even worse; the Oscars are stupid.

I sincerely hope some site other than kuro5hin wins; any site will do. I don't want to imagine what sort of people will show up if kuro5hin wins. It's bad enough that it got mentioned in connection with this filth to begin with.

[end rant]

--AIM: Delirium4u. Or read my diary.


Wow. That's harsh. (3.22 / 9) (#41)
by kwsNI on Tue Apr 24, 2001 at 07:18:55 PM EST

You didn't get much recognition for your acheivements as a child did you?

kwsNI
I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it. -Jack Handy
[ Parent ]
Even if it were true, not the point (4.00 / 5) (#70)
by Pseudonym on Wed Apr 25, 2001 at 04:52:05 AM EST

You didn't get much recognition for your acheivements as a child did you?
I can't speak for the poster. I got recognition for my achievements as a child, but I have to agree.

Recognition from your peers is a wonderful thing. But have you looked at the list of "members" of the "academy"? WTF does Gillian Anderson (a fine actor indeed, let's admit it) know about web design or web technology? Come to think about it, what kind of gall does Good Morning America's "Internet expert" have founding an "academy" of "arts and sciences"? (Anyone who calls themselves a "cyber-guru" is guilty until proven insane, in my book.) What's more, they state that in the future, they "may" allow "internet professionals" to join the academy.

These people are invading our space and have set themselves up as the guardians of what is noteworthy, in an apparent attempt to conform the web to their ideas of media. I disrespectfully disagree. It pushes my buttons because this is just yet another self-appointed leader caste which we geeks have spent our lives getting away from. They are daring to make judgements over stuff that they don't know about.

K5's greatest award is that its peers, those of us "in the trenches", are here and participating, and love being here.

Rusty, I'm really happy for you, but I'd congratulate you if "Jim's awesome site awards" recognised K5 too. I'm pleased K5 will be getting attention, but this is not the attention that it deserves. It deserves much better than a pat on the back from a bunch of self-appointed wankers.



sub f{($f)=@_;print"$f(q{$f});";}f(q{sub f{($f)=@_;print"$f(q{$f});";}f});
[ Parent ]
I hope they don't judge based on sense of humor. (3.00 / 2) (#84)
by kwsNI on Wed Apr 25, 2001 at 11:38:38 AM EST

While all of your points are valid, you missed my point: Sarcasm.

That was an attempt at being funny. If you look at the ratings on the comment, you'd see at least some people even got it.

Too bad, on the whole, this site doesn't have a sense of humor because I'm going to keep posting things I think are funny when I want to. What was it CmdrTaco once said? Something like "If you can't make an itelligent post, try to make a funny one".

kwsNI
I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it. -Jack Handy
[ Parent ]

Yeah, sarcasm (3.00 / 1) (#96)
by Pseudonym on Wed Apr 25, 2001 at 10:50:44 PM EST

I got the sarcasm. I wanted to rant anyway.



sub f{($f)=@_;print"$f(q{$f});";}f(q{sub f{($f)=@_;print"$f(q{$f});";}f});
[ Parent ]
'Nuff said (4.00 / 2) (#87)
by rusty on Wed Apr 25, 2001 at 12:53:13 PM EST

K5's greatest award is that its peers, those of us "in the trenches", are here and participating, and love being here.

You can say that again. :-)

____
Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]

stupid you say? (4.25 / 4) (#43)
by delmoi on Tue Apr 24, 2001 at 08:39:45 PM EST

Bah. I hate the Webbys. The name is stupid, the concept is stupid, the sites that win are stupid. It's modeled after the Oscars, which is even worse; the Oscars are stupid.

I'm sensing that the keyword here is 'stupid', right?
--
"'argumentation' is not a word, idiot." -- thelizman
[ Parent ]
or "disagreeable" (4.00 / 3) (#49)
by Delirium on Tue Apr 24, 2001 at 09:51:14 PM EST

Replace every occurance of the word "stupid" with the phrase "of strikingly low quality" to retain my meaning but lend the comments a more high-brow feel.

--AIM: Delirium4u. Or read my diary.


[ Parent ]

Does it matter? (3.80 / 5) (#46)
by enterfornone on Tue Apr 24, 2001 at 08:45:41 PM EST

Can't say I've ever heard of the Webbys. What makes it more important than the other hundrend "best site on the web" awards?

--
efn 26/m/syd
Will sponsor new accounts for porn.
It's the only one... (4.00 / 3) (#65)
by rusty on Wed Apr 25, 2001 at 02:26:10 AM EST

It's the only one the corporate media pays attention to. Mainly because they have truckloads of money and throw big parties and get celebrities. It's not "Joe's Cool Site of the Week." It actually does get pretty wide play.

Of course, it was founded five years ago, and basically is the same as the rest, but with more famous people and money. So there's a good argument both ways. :-)

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]

Congrats! (4.16 / 6) (#47)
by DoomHaven on Tue Apr 24, 2001 at 08:52:52 PM EST

First and foremost, congratulations to Rusty, Inoshiro, and the rest of the K5 crew on the nomination!

Next, I hope that the attention of the Webby Awards doesn't bring the wrong kind of attention that it seemed to bring that other nasty site. I would hate to have K5 suffer its own September That Never Ended.

This is something we should view with joy and celebration, and also with caution and trepidation. A few words from the Immortal Bard are in certain order for this occasion:
Have we, as 'twere with a defeated joy,
With one auspicious and one dropping eye,
With mirth in funeral and with dirge in marriage,
In equal scale weighing delight and dole
Hamlet, Act I, Scene II, Lines 12-15

My bleeding edge comes from cutting myself on Occam's Razor.
The Webbies Are Definitely the Oscars of the Net (4.82 / 17) (#51)
by steev on Tue Apr 24, 2001 at 10:53:23 PM EST

....and that's a BAD thing.

I mean look at Hollywood - full of crap, the cesspool of popular culture, and every once in a while they get together and give awards to themselves.

The Webbies aim to be the same thing.

Let me tell you my Webbies story:
2 years ago, (or was it three, i can't remember), a friend's net.art site was nominated in the Art category for a Webby. I had helped do some of the programming for it so she took me along to the ceremony. It was just about the cheesiest, most self-serving bullshit fest I've EVER seen. There were guys dressed up as old 50s photographers taking fake photos (big magnesium-flashes going off) as everyone walked in. There were hidden speakers playing tape loops of "paparazzi chatter", like "Who invited him? Oh look what she's wearing!" etc etc.

Then the ceremony begins and jodi.org wins the art category, which is great, they rock. I don't mind at all. What's even better is that Dirk, one half of jodi.org, goes up to the podium for the acceptance speech, (which is only allowed to be 5 words long) and says "Stupid Corporate Sons of Bitches". Then he THROWS the statue up into the air as he leaves the stage, and it plummets into the audience.

YES! If you know Jodi, you know they are basically the Sex Pistols of the Internet. Tiffany Shlain BEGGED and PLEADED with them to come to the ceremony, paid for their flight when they finally agreed to (they at first refused). Then they pull this stunt, for which Tiffany later got really mad about and had them THROWN OUT of the afterparty.

But what did she expect? Does she think she can just BUY some crazy anarchist net artists from Europe and put them on a leash and show them off to her friends? What did she THINK they would do? Idiot. Well the answer is, they are so heavilly funded by big corporate sponsors that she can't risk anything going wrong in the slightest. Anything slightly off-center has to crushed. which of course is what mainstream culture is all about. Let's turn the web into television!!

Anyway that was the night I almost got in a fight, taking sides with Jodi when Tiffany's mafia-like goons threw them out. Fine. We had more fun at the bar down the street than at the ridiculous Absolut and Intel sponsored afterparty.... ugh....

So, Rusty, great, congratulations, but I would look into who these people are and what they're really about, and when you confirm that they are just corporate boot-lickers and yuppie scum, you can announce that you're boycotting it and explain exactly why.......

Rusty's speech (4.86 / 15) (#56)
by fluffy grue on Wed Apr 25, 2001 at 12:19:20 AM EST

If K5 should win, how about these ideas for 5-word acceptance speeches?

"You have been trolled. Hand."

"Natalie Portman naked and petrified."

"fluffy grue's one hot bitch."

"Like Oscars, but only cheesier!"

"It's 'Corrosion.' Kur ro shin."

"Signal 11 ate my balls."

"Rob Malda ate my balls."

"I'm pregnant, by Commander Taco."

"Maybe I should just gloat."

"Soy makes you strong. Soy!"

"Inoshiro ate my balls. Ouch!"

"This is five words long."


--
"Is not a quine" is not a quine.
I have a master's degree in science!

[ Hug Your Trikuare ]
[ Parent ]

Now that you mention it... (3.20 / 5) (#60)
by Elendale on Wed Apr 25, 2001 at 02:11:52 AM EST

Shouldn't the users write his speach ;)

-Elendale
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When free speech is outlawed, only criminals will complain.


[ Parent ]
Ha! (4.20 / 5) (#64)
by rusty on Wed Apr 25, 2001 at 02:23:45 AM EST

Maybe the week before the awards, I'll put up a poll and let everyone vote on what it ought to be (in the unlikely event that we win).

I'm leaning toward "There is no K5 cabal" myself. >:-)

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]

Sounds good! (3.00 / 4) (#66)
by Elendale on Wed Apr 25, 2001 at 02:46:31 AM EST

TINK5C would be good. On the other hand, so would fluffy's :)

Personally, i would like to see both a subtle and/or clever K5 in joke and a damning of the foolishness of these poor folks, but five words is five words. Maybe you could say "speech at: www.kuro5hin.org/speech, read it" or something :)

-Elendale (thought the last wave of /. was bad enough, oh well)
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When free speech is outlawed, only criminals will complain.


[ Parent ]
That works (4.00 / 2) (#88)
by fluffy grue on Wed Apr 25, 2001 at 01:23:23 PM EST

"Speech at kuro5hin dot org" - and post it to the front page (hopefully).
--
"Is not a quine" is not a quine.
I have a master's degree in science!

[ Hug Your Trikuare ]
[ Parent ]

They'll have you shot (3.00 / 2) (#72)
by codemonkey_uk on Wed Apr 25, 2001 at 06:19:45 AM EST

"There" (one) "Is" (two) "No" (three) "Kay" (four) "Five" (five) "Cabal"
[bang] [bang] [bang] [sound of rustys bullet riddled body slumping to floor]

Unless of course you pronounce "K5" as "Corrosion"...
---
Thad
"The most savage controversies are those about matters as to which there is no good evidence either way." - Bertrand Russell
[ Parent ]

K5 is one word (4.00 / 2) (#90)
by rusty on Wed Apr 25, 2001 at 02:02:14 PM EST

By virtue of having a space before it and after it, and none between the two characters, I consider "K5" to be one word.

Anyway, the rest of the K5 admin posse will be there, all armed to the teeth, eyes glittering dangerously in the spotlights. We will not fire unless fired upon, but if that happens, look out...

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]

Call to Arms (3.00 / 1) (#94)
by driph on Wed Apr 25, 2001 at 09:59:41 PM EST

This is a call to remind everyone on the admin team to remember their facemasks and goggles. A paintball in the cheek really hurts, and we wouldn't want anyone on our own team taken out by friendly fire.

--
Vegas isn't a liberal stronghold. It's the place where the rich and powerful gamble away their company's pension fund and strangle call girls in their hotel rooms. - Psycho Dave
[ Parent ]
Oh, you poor deluded fool (5.00 / 4) (#95)
by rusty on Wed Apr 25, 2001 at 10:29:31 PM EST

Paintball guns? Paintball? This isn't summer camp, man! These are serious people, with serious weaponry. We will each need a sidearm of some kind, preferably a large guage with plenty of stopping power (have you seen a dotcom exec backed into a corner?). Additionally, we'll each be equipped with some kind of appropriate short-range riot weapon, possibly sawed-off 12 guages. And for hand to hand close-in work, I recommend a very sharp knife with a double edged blade.

You can't underestimate these people. They're dangerous lunatics, probably doped to the gills, and all desperately crazy with Fear and Money. We have got to be ready for anything.

"We can't stop here! This is bat country!"

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]

Personally (4.33 / 3) (#100)
by spiralx on Thu Apr 26, 2001 at 05:21:46 AM EST

I think you should take trhurler and streetlawyer along and let them have represent what k5 is all about... if nothing else, it should keep you amused through the dull acceptance speeches :)

You're doomed, I'm doomed, we're all doomed for ice cream. - Bob Aboey
[ Parent ]

No, what we should do... (4.50 / 2) (#106)
by rusty on Thu Apr 26, 2001 at 07:50:40 PM EST

Is have shoeboy go represent us. Now that would be entertaining. :-)

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]
Oh, it's THAT kind of event. (3.00 / 1) (#105)
by driph on Thu Apr 26, 2001 at 07:35:41 PM EST

Okay fine. Now I've gotta dig up my Che Guevara t-shirt and bandolier.

--
Vegas isn't a liberal stronghold. It's the place where the rich and powerful gamble away their company's pension fund and strangle call girls in their hotel rooms. - Psycho Dave
[ Parent ]
You forgot... (4.25 / 4) (#78)
by Rand Race on Wed Apr 25, 2001 at 09:17:10 AM EST

"These awards are too US-centric"


"Question with boldness even the existence of God; because if there be one, He must approve the homage of Reason rather than that of blindfolded Fear." - Thomas Jefferson
[ Parent ]

Ooh (4.00 / 4) (#89)
by fluffy grue on Wed Apr 25, 2001 at 01:30:18 PM EST

"All your base... fuck it."
--
"Is not a quine" is not a quine.
I have a master's degree in science!

[ Hug Your Trikuare ]
[ Parent ]

Screw that (3.50 / 4) (#63)
by rusty on Wed Apr 25, 2001 at 02:22:12 AM EST

So, Rusty, great, congratulations, but I would look into who these people are and what they're really about, and when you confirm that they are just corporate boot-lickers and yuppie scum, you can announce that you're boycotting it and explain exactly why.......

Win or lose, I don't care much. But the nomination matters to me, because I know some of the people behind the process (now). What the nomination means is that a small group of people who know about this stuff think that we're one of the five best communities on the web. I think they're right. And the organizers being corporate bootlicking scum doesn't really change that.

Now the party, on the other hand, I expect to be laughable. I'll go. Maybe in the post-dotcom era it won't be so utterly embarrassing. But it probably will be.

Boycotting is lame. I don't care if there are Webbys or not, so I wouldn't be boycotting to try to shut them down. And if I didn't go, would that stop them? No. I'll go, and I'll be sure to post a story about it. If you're right, it'll be an amusing story. :-)

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]

Now, now.. (3.66 / 3) (#68)
by Inoshiro on Wed Apr 25, 2001 at 04:35:54 AM EST

"What the nomination means is that a small group of people who know about this stuff think that we're one of the five best communities on the web. I think they're right."

Hubris, Rusty :p



--
[ イノシロ ]
[ Parent ]
Hey there- (3.00 / 1) (#80)
by ramses0 on Wed Apr 25, 2001 at 09:58:46 AM EST

Like you're one to talk. ;^)=

--Robert
[ t h i s t o o s h a l l p a s s ]


[ Parent ]

You have Power (2.66 / 3) (#81)
by steev on Wed Apr 25, 2001 at 10:11:51 AM EST

Boycotting is lame. I don't care if there are Webbys or not, so I wouldn't be boycotting to try to shut them down.

Why is boycotting lame?

hmm, I don't know you so I guess I was making unwarranted assumptions, including the assumption that some folks making a cool geekoid community website for free in their spare time would be against corporate colonization of the web.

That's what the webbys are about - Furthering late capital's expansion and takeover of the internet by enclosing and assimilating all that is good and decent. Anyone good and decent should care about that and so be against the Webbys.

Further, the webbies are a symbol, and by becoming involved with them you become part of the symbol. You're in the limelight for a brief moment thanx to the nomination, and the attention that gives to you enables you to have power to make change. When you have media attention a boycott or other public action can be pretty powerful. Spin it the right way... well, whatever, like i said, i assumed something i should not have... i guess kuro5hin is not as much about positive change or involvement as I suspected, or hoped....

[ Parent ]

Eh (4.50 / 2) (#85)
by rusty on Wed Apr 25, 2001 at 12:47:50 PM EST

Why is boycotting lame?

Er, not always lame, but in this case, I don't see the point. I didn't mean to imply that boycotting was always pointless.

...including the assumption that some folks making a cool geekoid community website for free in their spare time would be against corporate colonization of the web.

I don't like it, especially, but I'm also not especially against it. I don't really believe that anyone can colonize the web. I also think that people get what they deserve. If the majority of people want nothing but corporate media and laundered interaction, that's what they'll choose. I'm not going to say they shouldn't. But for people who want to connect with other humans, places like K5 will always be around.

Now, if they start trying to prevent that, then I'll start getting upset. Until then, it's live and let live as far as I'm concerned.

i guess kuro5hin is not as much about positive change or involvement as I suspected, or hoped....

I always thought of K5 as being about providing a place for people to communicate. Sometimes that leads to positive change and involvement, but I can't force it to. That's the thing. We aren't an army, we're a community. What you do is up to you.

And if "the establishment" wants to put a bunch of dangerous subversives like us in the limelight for a few minutes, well, they ought to know the risks. :-)

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]

common misconception (3.00 / 1) (#91)
by steev on Wed Apr 25, 2001 at 02:53:10 PM EST

I don't really believe that anyone can colonize the web.

If you haven't yet (and it sounds like you haven't), I'd recommend you read "Code and Other Laws of Cyberspace" by Lawrence Lessig. He argues very effectively against that exact point, against the common misconception of "Netizens" that the Net is some kind of unconquorable, inherently anarchic place. It has looked that way in the past, but it won't for long, unless we do something about it. soon.

What you do is up to you.

exactly, and what you do when/if you're being interviewed about k5's nomination, or when/if you are up on that stage at the webbys, is also up to you. I was just trying to illuminate some possibilities..... :-)

[ Parent ]

I feel slighted (3.71 / 7) (#52)
by Bob Abooey on Tue Apr 24, 2001 at 11:07:17 PM EST

Okay.. so logically I have no reason to be upset, after all, I'm not a website or a community for that matter. But for the sweet love of Jesus, how in the hell can those bastards not even nominate me? I'm quite sure they could have overlooked a few minor technicalities and at least had the decency to put me up for the award.

I am, after all, probably the leader of Kuro5hin, at least as far as I'm concerned. I have totally cleaned up my act from my slashdot days and I'm adding tons of content to k5.. er uh.. well anyways... that friggin award is rightfully mine. Shit... even if they do nominate me I'm going to blow them off..heh... bastards.


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A nomination for "me"... (4.25 / 4) (#62)
by rusty on Wed Apr 25, 2001 at 02:16:33 AM EST

...is a nomination for all of us. It's the community category, so dammit, it's the community that matters. This whole shell could be here, and no one would give me squat. So, the nomination belongs to all of you. And if we do win, the award does too. But I'm keeping the trophy. :-)

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]
So do we all get invited? (2.50 / 2) (#73)
by codemonkey_uk on Wed Apr 25, 2001 at 06:24:53 AM EST

If the award is for the community, can the commnity collect it? :)

That would be a larf!
---
Thad
"The most savage controversies are those about matters as to which there is no good evidence either way." - Bertrand Russell
[ Parent ]

Hee hee (3.50 / 2) (#86)
by rusty on Wed Apr 25, 2001 at 12:50:24 PM EST

That would be funny.

"And the winner is, Coercion dot org!"
[12,000 people troop up to the stage...]

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]

Can I (4.00 / 1) (#104)
by Miniluv on Thu Apr 26, 2001 at 06:56:30 PM EST

Hire actors to play my other 3 accounts?


[ Parent ]
Isn't this... (3.42 / 7) (#55)
by Estanislao Martínez on Wed Apr 25, 2001 at 12:09:06 AM EST

...the lame awards thing where they gave eBay a "Best E-Commerce Site" award, but nobody from eBay was at the audience, so some clown goes to the stage claiming to be representing eBay, picks up the webby, thanks everybody, and then puts it up for auction on eBay? I read this once, and it was absolutely funny...

--em

No (3.00 / 3) (#61)
by rusty on Wed Apr 25, 2001 at 02:14:23 AM EST

That was a different award thing. It was funny though. Someone on #K5 propagated the link earlier.

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]
That mp3 (3.00 / 5) (#57)
by fluffy grue on Wed Apr 25, 2001 at 12:21:17 AM EST

Did you really have to encode a TV broadcast at near-CD quality? Some of us are still stuck on crappy dialup connections. :P
--
"Is not a quine" is not a quine.
I have a master's degree in science!

[ Hug Your Trikuare ]

The Webby Awards (2.60 / 5) (#59)
by infinitesin on Wed Apr 25, 2001 at 01:25:18 AM EST

I think they embolize so much with what is wrong with the design industry. Everyone is going to see what the leaders are doing, and they're going to emulate instead of innovate. Some friend of mine actually sent in my site for consideration, and I almost don't want to be nominated. Corporate tools like Jason Kottke and Derek Powazek can have their fleeting, imaginary web fame - I'll take underground respect and the feeling you get when you know you're breaking new ground any day of the week.
--
"Just wait until tomorrow..I guess that's what they all say..just before they fall apart.."

Get real (3.00 / 1) (#79)
by darthaya on Wed Apr 25, 2001 at 09:45:43 AM EST

There are just so much innovation can be done. You can't ask everybody to INNOVATE.
<p>
And being nominated, means a recognition of the work you have done.

[ Parent ]
My suggested speech (3.00 / 4) (#67)
by Pseudonym on Wed Apr 25, 2001 at 03:51:19 AM EST

Just say, "www.webbyssuck.com". Of course, you'd have to register it and put a web site there first.

I'm sorry, but even if the media do pay attention to these "awards", they're still only worth their melt-down value.



sub f{($f)=@_;print"$f(q{$f});";}f(q{sub f{($f)=@_;print"$f(q{$f});";}f});
Esteemed company we'd be in (4.00 / 1) (#74)
by imperium on Wed Apr 25, 2001 at 07:33:58 AM EST

I note that the Stile Project won one last year in the weird category. Furthermore, they awarded the corporate-sponsored click-to-save-lives Hunger Site the activism prize. This is clearly a panel of taste and discretion! Having seen last year's winners, I actually think it might be better not to win..

x.
imperium

Looks like my bookmark list (3.66 / 3) (#76)
by wiredog on Wed Apr 25, 2001 at 08:39:31 AM EST

Lets see:
  • slashdot
  • kuro5hin
  • the onion
  • salon
  • google
  • cnn

Either I have exceptionally good taste, or I need to get a life.

The idea of a global village is wrong, it's more like a gazillion pub bars.
Phage

Chickclick sucks (3.66 / 3) (#93)
by fluffy grue on Wed Apr 25, 2001 at 08:21:02 PM EST

Okay. I decided to look at ChickClick for the first time in a few years, based on this article. Last time I went there it was kinda inane and such, but not too offensive. But now, it's just plain horrible - I don't know any girls who could reasonably answer any of those questions.

I mean, judging by these horribly loaded questions, girls are expected to pig out on chocolate-fudge icecream, either spend a lot of money on jeans or blame their period, read Cosmo, be shameless flirts with no self-esteem, and are shallow idiots who care about nothing but how fat they look.

Talk about reinforcing bad stereotypes. Yeesh.
--
"Is not a quine" is not a quine.
I have a master's degree in science!

[ Hug Your Trikuare ]

Yes, it does (3.00 / 1) (#101)
by Karmakaze on Thu Apr 26, 2001 at 09:42:08 AM EST

I have to agree.

I used to use their free chickmail. It was fine. A little slow, but ok. Then they added stuff, and the world's ugliest color scheme. I turned off the site graphics. Is it just me or are those trolls (sorry, "chicks") they've chosen to adorn the site with just grotesque?

I finally quit using it altogether when they started to force frames (down to the javascript thing that loads the frame if you open a sub-page). I don't really mind frames all that much, normally. I do mind a frame that takes the top third (or more) of my window, then more than a quarter off the left, leaving me a postage stamp to try to read my mails in. Plus, every time they announced a server "upgrade", load times got even slower, and the service was regularly unavailable entirely. (As it was a minute ago when I checked again).

Somebody in the PR section of that company decided that teen magazine style self promotion was the way to go, and in the process destroyed any functionality the site once had.


--
Karmakaze
[ Parent ]

What it's like to get nominated.... (5.00 / 2) (#99)
by gampid on Thu Apr 26, 2001 at 05:07:35 AM EST

Last year my website got nominated for the activism webby. It was an interesting experience. I took a few days off work, and flew out to bay area for the awards. Mostly it seemed like they were trying to fake the 'real' awards ceremony feel. The performance artists hanging off the front of the building were cool, but they had fake photographers trying to make everybody feel importiant. I went masked up with a bandana and a gas mask. You see, i run protest.net, and I was actually tear gased while working on websites so i figured it would be a good contrast to the biz-dev types. Mostly people looked at me and backed off. I guess I can be considered a scary anarchist even when they are praising my website. :)

I found a video activist and managed to sneek her in to the cerimony so she could shoot some footage for a documentary about the effects of the dot-com ecconomy on gentrification of the mission distrct of San Francisco.

There was a short little intro comedy piece, and they started announcing the winners, and it was over. Adbusters had won the activism category. Boom, they were on to the next, and the next, and the next. Some of the acceptance speaches were clever, some were just stupid. Several times the winner didn't even bother showing up, so somebody else went up to get their prize for them.

What we did get was a little tin of trinkets. They were all covered with dot com logos. We snatched a bunch of boxes that other people had left on their seats and gave them out to our friends as gifts.

The party afterwards mostly sucked. Lots of dot commers talking business. The google guys were cool, they had rollerblades, and were interesting to talk to. Rob Malda didn't even show up. DJ Spooky did finally play and that was cool. The other bands they had playing were lame.

Hey, for all you trying to talk rusty in to giving you a ticket, they only give 4 to each site that gets nominated. So you'll have to think of a really good reason for him to bring you along. :)

Good luck rusty!

Protest.Net: Seizing the means of communication!

hmm. (4.00 / 2) (#102)
by Defect on Thu Apr 26, 2001 at 12:49:10 PM EST

I'm beginning to think this is all one elaborate stick poking at k5. First the misspelling of the name, then the mispronunciation, and now it's listed as www.kuro5hin.com on the nominee's page (and subsequently is inaccessible through the link).

It's getting to be a bit much, no? I think someone needs to go about firing editors, proofreaders, and hell, anyone having anything to do with text over at the webbies.
defect - jso - joseth || a link
Acceptance Speech (5.00 / 1) (#108)
by DJBongHit on Sat Apr 28, 2001 at 08:59:16 PM EST

"There is no K5 Cabal."

~DJBongHit

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