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GM - Government Motors

By Strom Thurmond in News
Tue May 05, 2009 at 02:41:12 PM EST
Tags: autos, politics, news, muslims, moslems, filthy moslems (all tags)
Politics

With the recent announcement of the US and Canadian Government takeovers of Chrysler and GM (albeit in partnership with solid American Labor) it seems appropriate to revisit some government produced automobiles from the past and how they performed, as we can surely look forward to similar offerings from GM and Chrysler in the near future.


TRABANT - The staple car of the former East Germany was notoriously mediocre. Similar to a lawnmower, or weed eater, this beautiful piece of machinery came complete with a two-stroke engine that required oil and gas to be poured in a container and then the whole car had to be shaken to mix them together (2:15). Also similar to a riding lawnmower, the body was made of Duroplast, which would possibly meet the present need for "green" manufacturing since it was made of primarily recycled trash.Unfortunately, Duroplast is difficult to dispose of, and releases toxic fumes when burned. Due to central planning, limited changes to the features of the Trabant were introduced during the production years, as this would have required further investment (i.e., capital) and fulfilling the needs of customers is anathema to the government production model.

YUGO - This name is almost synonymous with "shitty car" to those who experienced it in the United States during its time as an available import. Fiat technology was used in the building of this car, and since Fiat is also involved in the GM/Chrysler deals, perhaps new offerings from those government run companies will be equally majestic. Additionally, there is also this tidbit, regarding a Yugo that was literally blown off of a bridge. This certainly bodes well for the new era of green autos, which is likely to be ushered in by our rulers.

LADA - For the upscale member of the Soviet Politburo, there was the Lada. This was one of the more successful autos created by the Eastern Bloc countries during the cold war. Still, jokes such as:

Q: What's the difference between a Lada and a Jehovah's Witness?
A: You can close the door on a Jehovah's Witness.

suggest that the quality was marginal on these autos.

MOSKVITCH - Another Soviet producer, made crappy cars that you were supposed to buy.

PROTON, Including the notorious PROTON SAGA - This Malaysian vehicle is actually not as bad as some of the old communist bloc stuff. This may be due to the fact that the mechanical parts are coming in from a private company, Mitsubishi. A new version of the Saga was announced in 2008, and has received decent reviews, although questions regarding consistent quality remain. In the US/Canada takeovers, it is unlikely that this will be an issue, given the involvement of big labor.

Certainly there are other examples that could be summarized; indeed this was only intended to provide a hopeful glimpse into the future of the US automobile market now that we have a "car czar". As the federal government rolls out new green vehicles that no one wants to buy, it seems reasonable to assume that the next step will be mandated purchases of these vehicles, with the money handily deducted from your paycheck. Of course, this will not affect those who make the rules, as they will simply import what they want from private companies such as Toyota or Honda (only after driving the manufacturing operations of these companies out of the country).

Indeed, it's a Brave New World!

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o National Autos 22%
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GM - Government Motors | 46 comments (32 topical, 14 editorial, 0 hidden)
hurrrrr (2.00 / 3) (#2)
by lostincali on Sun May 03, 2009 at 02:40:30 PM EST

durr government bailout of a failing company is stalinism

i know this because everything is either black or white in my world, because i'm an imbecile

"The least busy day [at McDonalds] is Monday, and then sales increase throughout the week, I guess as enthusiasm for life dwindles."

Actually, (2.50 / 4) (#3)
by Strom Thurmond on Sun May 03, 2009 at 03:20:15 PM EST

government "bailout" of failing companies is fascism. Socialize the loss, privatize the profits.

VEGETARIAN: An Indian word meaning "lousy hunter"
[ Parent ]

im-be-cile (none / 1) (#4)
by lostincali on Sun May 03, 2009 at 03:25:16 PM EST


"The least busy day [at McDonalds] is Monday, and then sales increase throughout the week, I guess as enthusiasm for life dwindles."
[ Parent ]

Anything substantive to add? (none / 0) (#12)
by Strom Thurmond on Sun May 03, 2009 at 10:09:55 PM EST

I didn't think so.

VEGETARIAN: An Indian word meaning "lousy hunter"
[ Parent ]

why should that bother you? (none / 0) (#13)
by lostincali on Sun May 03, 2009 at 10:26:05 PM EST

your entire k5 existence is dedicated to thought without substance.

"The least busy day [at McDonalds] is Monday, and then sales increase throughout the week, I guess as enthusiasm for life dwindles."
[ Parent ]

*drooool* (none / 0) (#22)
by khallow on Mon May 04, 2009 at 03:20:15 PM EST

I thought we had something special. Don't even look at that other guy.

Stating the obvious since 1969.
[ Parent ]

It is called Communism when the liberals do it (1.25 / 4) (#24)
by Armstrong Hammer on Mon May 04, 2009 at 08:15:12 PM EST

as right-wingers are called Fascists and left-wingers are called Communists. Fascism was created to combat Communism.

When the government owns a majority of stock in a company it is Communism anyway. Especially when they try to control prices and do it with more than one company.

With the Fiat in control, the USA will make shitty cars once again, time to buy European or Japanese cars now, USA cars will be crap with wheels.

Learn about the true liberal agenda in the United States of America.

[ Parent ]
Suck-start a shotgun (2.00 / 2) (#27)
by Nimey on Mon May 04, 2009 at 10:49:39 PM EST


--
Never mind, it was just the dog cumming -- jandev
You Sir, are an Ignorant Motherfucker. -- Crawford
I am arguably too manic to do that. -- Crawford
I already fuck my mother -- trane
Nimey is right -- Blastard
i am in complete agreement with Nimey -- i am a pretty big deal

[ Parent ]
No thanks (none / 1) (#34)
by Armstrong Hammer on Tue May 05, 2009 at 05:18:15 PM EST

thanks for trying to cheer me up; though, it failed.
Learn about the true liberal agenda in the United States of America.

[ Parent ]
Conflation of terminology (3.00 / 5) (#37)
by Gooba42 on Tue May 05, 2009 at 09:05:42 PM EST

Is it a requirement that internet commenters don't differentiate between Socialism (government control of everything economic) and Communism (the people at large control everything economic and otherwise)?

Politicians who claim to be Communists are Socialists. "Pure" Communists believe that governments naturally concentrate power in the hands of people who can be corrupted.

Politicians who claim to be Capitalists are usually Fascists. "Pure" Capitalists believe their ideals will stand or fall on their own merits and don't need the protection of fallible law or corruptible government.

Effectively both philosophies in their "pure" forms advocate forms of anarchy and personal freedoms bounded by either responsibility to the community or the limits of revenue.

In any case, this article isn't about Communism.

[ Parent ]

'car czar' (1.33 / 3) (#40)
by tsunami on Thu May 07, 2009 at 07:15:13 PM EST

btw nice cts comment style, you lame faggot.


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I also saw a madman crazily pumping this polygon thing to roughly the same timing as a functional wank. - A Trolled An Anonymised Englishman
[ Parent ]
and this title is indicative of what? (none / 0) (#42)
by lostincali on Fri May 08, 2009 at 06:24:54 PM EST

i mean, was this some ironic "i'm agreeing with you even though my tone says otherwise" sort of dealie? because you'd have to be a complete moron to think that anything associated with russia's deposed monarchy could be anything but the polar opposite of life under stalin.

"The least busy day [at McDonalds] is Monday, and then sales increase throughout the week, I guess as enthusiasm for life dwindles."
[ Parent ]

ffffffffffffffag (1.25 / 4) (#8)
by Nimey on Sun May 03, 2009 at 07:34:21 PM EST


--
Never mind, it was just the dog cumming -- jandev
You Sir, are an Ignorant Motherfucker. -- Crawford
I am arguably too manic to do that. -- Crawford
I already fuck my mother -- trane
Nimey is right -- Blastard
i am in complete agreement with Nimey -- i am a pretty big deal

Thanks for the input! (none / 0) (#9)
by Strom Thurmond on Sun May 03, 2009 at 07:43:23 PM EST


VEGETARIAN: An Indian word meaning "lousy hunter"
[ Parent ]

hybrids (none / 1) (#10)
by horny smurf on Sun May 03, 2009 at 08:44:18 PM EST

The Toyoya Prius. Ugly, but popular, right? Well, through 2007, Toyota was selling it as a loss leader. Plus there were tax credits to encourage people to buy them.

Even then, they weren't as popular as the liberals like to think.

In 2008, 159,000 priuses were sold, thanks to high oil prices. But Toyota also sold 137,000 Tundra trunks, 144,000 Tacoma trucks, which generate much more profit and enable them to sell hybrids. Dictating design decisions (hard to believe that won't happen) is going to result in failure.

The US market (none / 0) (#44)
by tetsuwan on Mon May 18, 2009 at 04:16:06 PM EST

You want semi-trucks to commute, semi-trucks to drive kids a mile to school and semi-trucks to take your date out.

Njal's Saga: Just like Romeo & Juliet without the romance
[ Parent ]

Trabant; unfair example. (2.40 / 5) (#17)
by Wen Jian on Mon May 04, 2009 at 12:44:36 PM EST

The Trabant was designed to be produced in the DDR: a country crippled by the fact that all factories capable of producing a 4-stroke engines had been claimed as spoils of war by Mother Russia.

Also, the oil-petrol mix? It's a complete fabrication. They remain a popular car in the New German States - mainly out of 'ostalgia', admittedly - but if you had to fuck around with them to that degree, no-one would have one.

My girlfriend confirms that you did not have to mix fuel and oil. The exhaust fumes just smell that way - but that is typical for 2-stroke.
It was an experiment in lulz. - Rusty

No mention of my favorite? (none / 0) (#18)
by GhostOfTiber on Mon May 04, 2009 at 01:05:50 PM EST

IZHMASH : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izhmash
http://www.izhmash.ru/eng/

[Nimey's] wife's ass is my cocksheath. - undermyne

Landrover: (none / 1) (#19)
by Wen Jian on Mon May 04, 2009 at 01:20:19 PM EST

Ror!
It was an experiment in lulz. - Rusty
Only tangentially related (3.00 / 2) (#20)
by tdillo on Mon May 04, 2009 at 02:45:24 PM EST

I was reading this and thought to myself there has to be more state-owned automobile companies in the world. So I was googlpediaing around and seen this 1956 Troll.

As for state-owned auto companies the only other examples I found were Egyptian Nasr which makes Fiats.

The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood.Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.


we are the govt (3.00 / 2) (#26)
by donnalee on Mon May 04, 2009 at 08:57:27 PM EST

we should design the cars we want to buy!

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Guess I'll be adding this to tomorrow's comment dump!
+1FP, Strom Thurmond mentions the Yugo .nt (none / 0) (#28)
by N0574 on Tue May 05, 2009 at 12:03:23 AM EST



- NCCTG N0574 CANCER PROTOCOL
WTF? No TATA? $ (none / 0) (#29)
by mirko on Tue May 05, 2009 at 04:34:50 AM EST


--
Finally I managed to make the decision that I would work on it. - MDC
we had to huddle together - trane
TATA, while a producer of shitty cars (none / 1) (#30)
by Strom Thurmond on Tue May 05, 2009 at 10:07:27 AM EST

is not government owned to the best of my knowledge.  

Additionally, they have some succesful products aside from the hyper cheap nano model that don't seem to be shitty.

VEGETARIAN: An Indian word meaning "lousy hunter"
[ Parent ]

Nearly half the weight in current cars is mandated (none / 0) (#31)
by Pentashagon on Tue May 05, 2009 at 04:02:44 PM EST

Seat belts, air bags, emission controls, bumpers, crumple zones, reinforced passenger areas, etc. were all the result of federal legislation and safety testing standards.

Personally, I think a government run GM would be fine.  It would go bankrupt faster, allowing real car companies to take its place.

Why would a govt run company go bankrupt? (3.00 / 2) (#32)
by Cro Magnon on Tue May 05, 2009 at 04:06:27 PM EST

Unlike private industry, the government can shore up its disasters with trillions of dollars. A bigger danger is that government will kill the private car makers, despite making crappier cars.
Information wants to be beer.
[ Parent ]
Maybe if they gave away free cars. (none / 0) (#33)
by Pentashagon on Tue May 05, 2009 at 04:58:09 PM EST

GM cars are already cheaper than equivalent (read, luxury/status equivalent, not performance/manufacturing equivalent) foreign cars, and they haven't killed them off yet.

[ Parent ]
Volkswagen (3.00 / 5) (#35)
by sien on Tue May 05, 2009 at 05:23:57 PM EST

Volkswagen, makers of the world's most successful car, the Beetle with 21 million made was government owned.

sieg heil! (2.00 / 3) (#38)
by Ruston Rustov on Wed May 06, 2009 at 03:11:50 AM EST


I had had incurable open sores all over my feet for sixteen years. The doctors were powerless to do anything about it. I told my psychiatrist that they were psychosomatic Stigmata - the Stigmata are the wounds Jesus suffered when he was nailed to the cross. Three days later all my sores were gone. -- Michael Crawford
Maybe tomorrow. -- Michael Crawford
As soon as she has her first period, fuck your daughter. -- localroger

[ Parent ]
i can't believe this piece of shit made it to FP (2.25 / 8) (#36)
by lostincali on Tue May 05, 2009 at 06:34:48 PM EST


"The least busy day [at McDonalds] is Monday, and then sales increase throughout the week, I guess as enthusiasm for life dwindles."

You forgot Adobe (none / 0) (#39)
by Deagol on Wed May 06, 2009 at 07:47:01 PM EST

"Hey-hey, we're Adobe! The little car that's made out of clay!"

what about the socialist highway system (3.00 / 3) (#41)
by manjal on Fri May 08, 2009 at 12:08:49 AM EST

the entire american car industry is predicated on the idea that the government should build and maintain massive networks of roads, bridges, overpasses, tunnels, stoplights, on ramps, off ramps, signage, etc.. all with no restrictions on who can use it (other than age and licensing).

Now, dont you think thats a little bit funny to have your proud, manly, john galt car company, have its entire existence based on a massive communist  construction project?

on the other other hand, even if you had private roads.... and could keep out the rif raff, that still does not explain massive private failures like Mr Roger Smith.... who wasted tens of billions of dollars at GM, destroyed morale, harmed tens of thousands of employees, and basically trashed the company?

is not the problem in private mode of production, that you have to obey the boss, no matter how bad their decisions? yes, eventually you go bankrupt and a better boss comes...

but in the case of autos... GM dying would mean suppliers going out of business, which would mean every other car company dying too.

eventually, yes, someone would pick up the ashes, get new loans, for new factories, hire new crews, get new disgns,  and put the system back together and start finding a way to make cars again, for profit.

but what is society supposed to do in the mean time? how long will that take? 5 years? 10? 20?

i m sure Obama, who keeps harping on 'hybrid fuel efficient cars' instead of 'turning a modest profit', will mess something up. he has said himself he doesnt want to run car companies.

but seriously, what is your alternative?

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