"We are in a defacto sense shareholder-citizens. There is no basis for this claim to be taken literally."
Yes, there was a basis offered by in my post, but you chose not o quote it. I offered evidence. You offer nothing.
" You make an analogy between being a business and a nation, but it is only an analogy.Citizenenship may be like being a shareholder, but it is exactly the same as nothing except citizenship. The meaning of citizenship is not such a weird concept to a normal person that they need it explained to them in terms of an analogy. It is therefore unnecessary to extend the analogy as far as you do, nor to insist that what might be true about a business and its owners is also true about a citizen and his or her country."
You remember what I said about propaganda? You substitute programmed responses you learned from it for logical reasoning. You use circular logic: You say citizenship is what it is. Your argument is hollow. It relies upon itself. I showed how citizenship is like a business partnership. You "refute" it by ....what? Nothing!
"Looking at a nation as nation and a citizen as a citizen, and not as a "shareholder," it is easy to ask, "Have citizens benefited or been harmed by mass immigration?"
It is a well-known, time-tested aspect of business practice that competition is harmful to any one business. We are all businesses, individually. We own and maintain a place of business jointly. We compete against each other, and our jointly owned business partnership competes against other large cooperatives (known in the old parlance as "countries").
Practices that overall help the financial well-being of the cooeprative partnership may HURT certain individual citizen-shareholders or groups of them.
Doctors know this. THey act accordingly as a group to take action to prevent harm to themselves as a group.
They are able to do this because many of them are older, and therefore wiser. Programmers are younger and therefore stupider. Therefore other groups that BENEFIT by importing labor in the form of foreign programmers (such as the relatively small percentage of citizen-shareholders who are RICH, and the *managerial* section of citizen-shareholders, or those who make a living *recruiting* foreign programmers) are wiser and much aware of the true dynamics of the business world, can easily organize and take action to BENEFIT themselves. They do so by paying large sums of money to Congress who in turn pass laws to bring in more competitors to lower prices.
In a way, what happened in the recent past, where the military-industrial complex benefited from the wars such as the Vietnam war by feeding off the lives of the young men who fought, is being repeated here. Young programmers are being sacrificed to benefit the interests of the software industry. This war is economic, but then again, those wars were economic, too.
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