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Wed Jul 18, 2001 at 08:53:12 AM EST
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Zen | 72 comments (55 topical, 17 editorial, 0 hidden)
Zen Answer..... (2.00 / 7) (#3)
by Elkor on Tue Jul 17, 2001 at 10:18:24 PM EST

Read this fortune cookie....

Nice: doesn't interrupt my tea ceremony... (2.77 / 9) (#9)
by decaf_dude on Tue Jul 17, 2001 at 11:23:29 PM EST



Well, I guess.. (3.60 / 10) (#10)
by BigZaphod on Tue Jul 17, 2001 at 11:25:58 PM EST

I suppose I can see your point, but did you honestly think you could get away with saying that without someone calling you on it? I mean seriously, what were you smoking?

This argument can only go so far, really. I'm sure there are hundreds of people on that other site that would love to jump forward and point out where you are wrong. But since you didn't post it over there (why not?), I'll have to take their place.

See, if you just run the right searches any idiot can learn more about these facts. But to save you some time I'll just point out that you're not only wrong, but terribly twisted in your sense of knowledge about your argument. A 7 year old playing Nintendo could probably find all the loop-holes in this theory of yours so I don't think I'll even bother to point them out to you.

I'm sure there are others on here that feel the same way. I mean, no offense or anything, but you're clearly lacking any ability to reason and so I won't even dignify your last comment with a comment. (Well, except for the comment about not dignifying it, anyway).

"We're all patients, there are no doctors, our meds ran out a long time ago and nobody loves us." - skyknight
eye... (2.66 / 6) (#12)
by ToneHog on Tue Jul 17, 2001 at 11:39:36 PM EST

duck.
Breeze,
TH
Personally... (3.33 / 9) (#14)
by aidoneus on Wed Jul 18, 2001 at 12:04:41 AM EST

I prefer Theravada over Zen. Mu.

Heh. (2.16 / 6) (#56)
by Vladinator on Wed Jul 18, 2001 at 11:44:11 PM EST

I'll take the truth over either. Namu Myoho Renge Kyo.
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[ Parent ]
_ (3.85 / 14) (#16)
by Blarney on Wed Jul 18, 2001 at 02:40:55 AM EST



Ideally yes, but you overlook (1.66 / 3) (#41)
by _cbj on Wed Jul 18, 2001 at 01:44:29 PM EST



[ Parent ]
I found the... (3.62 / 8) (#17)
by Kaki Nix Sain on Wed Jul 18, 2001 at 03:10:44 AM EST

... distribution of poll responses interesting. Nice smooth bell around the 5th choice down. Something to do with the average number of short term memory spaces? Law of fives strikes again?

Oh, and the bump at the beginning. A first come, first served type thing?



nah (3.50 / 4) (#19)
by John Milton on Wed Jul 18, 2001 at 04:25:04 AM EST

I don't know about everyone else, but I just clicked on the one in the middle. That appears to be the fifth. I think people are just predisposed to pick the middle choice. Notice how people always pick C on a test if they don't know the answer.


"When we consider that woman are treated as property, it is degrading to women that we should Treat our children as property to be disposed of as we see fit." -Elizabeth Cady Stanton


[ Parent ]
The Law Of C (3.00 / 4) (#30)
by alisdair on Wed Jul 18, 2001 at 08:19:05 AM EST

Notice how people always pick C on a test if they don't know the answer.
That's because C is always right. One of my friends is currently in the honours year of his degree, having chosen C in every multiple choice exam for the last three years.

[ Parent ]
But there's a reason for that (4.00 / 1) (#49)
by John Milton on Wed Jul 18, 2001 at 08:31:03 PM EST

You're correct that C was, and may still be, the correct answer most of the time. I seem to remember that this problem was being fixed. However, you have to ask yourself why C was always the correct answer. Perhaps the test makers were predisposed to picking the middle option.


"When we consider that woman are treated as property, it is degrading to women that we should Treat our children as property to be disposed of as we see fit." -Elizabeth Cady Stanton


[ Parent ]
Zen is like... (2.62 / 8) (#18)
by thunderbee on Wed Jul 18, 2001 at 03:56:49 AM EST



Subject (2.28 / 7) (#21)
by kapital on Wed Jul 18, 2001 at 05:13:54 AM EST

Comment

Reply (2.00 / 6) (#25)
by J'raxis on Wed Jul 18, 2001 at 07:19:49 AM EST

Reply.

[ J’raxis·Com | Liberty in your lifetime ]
[ Parent ]

Hello, Raxis, how ya doin? (2.50 / 2) (#37)
by CaptainZornchugger on Wed Jul 18, 2001 at 09:44:18 AM EST

Zornchugger here. I'm a bit of a curious man, and it's sometimes amazing to me how often I seem to run into your name in travels here and there on the internet. Normally, I don't think much of it, but every once in a while, it seems like I see you implicated in some sort of misdoing. Most recently, we have this. Now I don't want you think I'm accusing you of anything; I just get kinda curious as to how you get involved with these sorta things. And after your eloquent refutation of the evidence which potentially pointed to you being the WIPO Troll, I thought it might be nice to hear your take on this one. Of course, you have every right to plead complete ignorance; there's probably enough people in the Geekizoid crew that thinks you're WIPO that you may have just struck someone as an easy target for 'framing'. Besides, nobody ever said that the link to you was very strong. It just seems kind of odd. Do you have any reason why you would want to DOS Geekizoid? Do you know anyone who does? Are you, in fact, related to Ashley and Mary-Kate, having merely changed one letter of your last name to hide it?

It seems a few people are getting a little upset, and I just thought you might want to give a quick word on your involvement, if any.

Thanks!


Look at that chord structure. There's sadness in that chord structure.
[ Parent ]
Geekizoid (none / 0) (#69)
by J'raxis on Thu Jul 19, 2001 at 09:20:26 PM EST

I was, of course, aware of that thread; the IP they list for that webserver is currently mine, and yes it had a "webserver" running on it. The server logs hits and my packet sniffer saw a bunch of connections on port 80, in addition to a port scan. The webserver is actually the Macintosh "Personal Web Sharing" control panel, which I had only activated to let some people from the DALnet channel I inhabit to get some files from my computer. I had accidentally left it on, and they found it. Right now, actually, I've turned it back on as I want to log hits from this.

As for the spamming, no; I was not the A.C. posting those floods to Geekizoid. Their admins have the logs and can verify that, hopefully. Unless they're still hosted by that company that randomly wipes out their site at random.

I read Geekizoid occasionally (it's linked on my website in my weblogs section). I believe I've posted once or twice as an A.C. I also like to keep on top of all these conspiracy theories flying about. :)

And, I do find the recent spammage particularly amusing. A taste of their own medicine, so to speak. It has shown that their admins are even worse than the Slashdot editors, having A) removed the spam comments, B) turned off A.C. posting, and C) they, or someone, had modded down several comments accusing Vladinator of being a hypocrite. This from a site that posts stories like "Rob Malda? Gay or Supergay?" after the latest new Slashdot filter or time limit goes into place.

As for being framed as WIPO, I've no idea how it started other than WIPO setting his homepage in his Slashdot profile to a page of mine. The IP they say is WIPO's now is actually mine (at least right now; the MediaOne.net DHCP server is a little unpredictable). Anyone can see my IP on DALnet. The IP they used to have, 24.218.243.142, is someone else's, although the hostname does appear to be mine.

I believe I will be putting all this crap on my website's F.A.Q once I get around to it. For anyone just tuning in, go here for the beginning of the WIPO epic on K5, and here for what started it all.

-- The WIPO'Raxis

[ J’raxis·Com | Liberty in your lifetime ]
[ Parent ]

It should be noted (5.00 / 2) (#70)
by flikx on Fri Jul 20, 2001 at 01:27:44 PM EST

That some Geekizoid authors (I.E. myself), did not delete any comments, and I think many people know why. In fact, I saw the deletions as worse than the ways slashdot reacts to comment floods. I agree with you point on 'getting a taste of their own medicine' though.

I've got the logs, and I will personally get to the bottom of this, and go public. Though I much rather prefer that said perpetrator(s) take credit themselves.

Furthermore, the flood has come and gone; and nobody cares anymore. Also, in case anyone is wondering as to why I didn't take immediate action when the flood started, my masq gate suffered a hardware failure; which forced my whole site offline from sunday to wednesday.


--
One future, two choices. Oppose them or let them destroy us.
[ Parent ]
zen is.... (3.16 / 6) (#26)
by gibichung on Wed Jul 18, 2001 at 07:24:44 AM EST





BS




My own opinion aside, the only reason this empty article is taken seriously is because of the title: "zen." What deserves thought is: how would it have fared without that being attached?

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"No man is above the law and no man is below it; nor do we ask any man's permission when we require him to obey it." -- Theodore Roosevelt
On the Contrary (3.60 / 5) (#27)
by sventhatcher on Wed Jul 18, 2001 at 07:32:12 AM EST

I take this article very unseriously.

The absurdist humor in it left me giggling.

[ Parent ]
i reap doubts for the joy I have scattered (4.20 / 5) (#32)
by surplus value on Wed Jul 18, 2001 at 08:31:14 AM EST

What deserves thought is: how would it have fared without that being attached?

What kind of zen bullshit question is that?

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War Inc.: No one fucks with The Great Satan.
[ Parent ]

I am enlightened! (2.50 / 6) (#31)
by nobody on Wed Jul 18, 2001 at 08:27:55 AM EST




In capitalism, man exploits man. In socialism, it's exactly the opposite.
Damn (1.40 / 5) (#33)
by mikael_j on Wed Jul 18, 2001 at 08:57:19 AM EST

This story just disappeared from the queue...

/Mikael Jacobson
We give a bad name to the internet in general. - Rusty
FP? (2.20 / 5) (#34)
by hph on Wed Jul 18, 2001 at 09:10:25 AM EST

Wonder why it is not on the frontpage? Some 90% of the +1-voters voted FP.

[ Parent ]
Re: FP? (2.20 / 5) (#35)
by derek_m on Wed Jul 18, 2001 at 09:18:46 AM EST

Perhaps because someone had the sense to realise that mindless junk submitted by someone thinking they were clever that led a bunch of sheep to vote it up in an attempt to appear as clever as the author does NOT deserve to be on the front page.

Either that or you misread the votes, but it certainly seemed to be heading for the front page when I last saw it.

[ Parent ]
Sensible, but probably wrong (3.00 / 3) (#38)
by slaytanic killer on Wed Jul 18, 2001 at 10:15:13 AM EST

Another factor is that once stories hit a certain number of total votes, normal moderation is gone and Scoop immediately sends the story somewhere based on some algorithm. I get the impression that stories never go to FP in this case.

There were a lot of FP votes, but there were also many votes against, as well. Highly controversial articles such as this peacefully end up in section.

[ Parent ]
Lastvote (3.00 / 2) (#64)
by fluffy grue on Thu Jul 19, 2001 at 12:05:41 PM EST

When the vote threshold is hit, the average comment rating matters more than the number of votes.
--
"Is not a quine" is not a quine.
I have a master's degree in science!

[ Hug Your Trikuare ]
[ Parent ]

Its a shame (1.40 / 5) (#36)
by derek_m on Wed Jul 18, 2001 at 09:22:42 AM EST

that it wasnt just deleted.

Its a poor reflection on the state of articles being submitted recently that this lasted more than 2 minutes in the queue before being binned.

[ Parent ]
I don't agree (2.75 / 4) (#63)
by ucblockhead on Thu Jul 19, 2001 at 10:30:21 AM EST

I could see nothing wrong with it at all.
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This is k5. We're all tools - duxup
[ Parent ]
For those who may have missed it. (1.00 / 1) (#68)
by ucblockhead on Thu Jul 19, 2001 at 06:53:02 PM EST

<joke>
:-) I could see nothing ;-) wrong with it at all. :-) ^_^

                      ^
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                       ----Get it? "Nothing"! Hahahah
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[ Parent ]

Zen is not emptiness... (3.44 / 9) (#39)
by ScottBrady on Wed Jul 18, 2001 at 11:02:03 AM EST

This isn't clever. It isn't even funny. Call me an asshole if you like but this is simply dumb.

--
Scott Brady
"We didn't lie to you... the truth just changed."
YHBT. YHL. HAND.

What emptiness? (3.00 / 3) (#51)
by swr on Wed Jul 18, 2001 at 10:02:24 PM EST

Zen is not emptiness...

I see no emptiness in the post. Why are you seeing emptiness?

Let go of the emptiness. What's left?



[ Parent ]
The Zen (4.00 / 2) (#53)
by ucblockhead on Wed Jul 18, 2001 at 10:23:54 PM EST

The Zen is in it getting posted and attracting 52 comments.
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This is k5. We're all tools - duxup
[ Parent ]
My Favorite Koan (3.85 / 7) (#40)
by malikcoates on Wed Jul 18, 2001 at 11:27:31 AM EST

Apologies to Dogen or whoever came up with the original

One day, two monks were walking along a path to thier monastery. They came upon a stream, and a woman trying to cross it. She was 5'8" with muscular shoulders, large perky breasts, and an ass you wouldn't believe. One monk offered to carry the young lady across the stream and he did. As he was carring her, her soft body bounced and rubbed against him. Once across the stream the lady went about her way, and the monks continued toward the monastery. Later that day the other monk asked the first, "Don't you feel guilty.. touching that woman the way you did?".

The first replied, "I left her back at the river. Why are you still carrying her with you?"

a good koan (4.50 / 2) (#45)
by greenplato on Wed Jul 18, 2001 at 06:02:59 PM EST

This one is good too:

Whenever anyone asked him about Zen, the great master Gutei would quietly raise one finger into the air. A boy in the village began to imitate this behavior. Whenever he heard people talking about Gutei's teachings, he would interrupt the discussion and raise his finger. Gutei heard about the boy's mischief. When he saw him in the street, he seized him and cut off his finger. The boy cried and began to run off, but Gutei called out to him. When the boy turned to look, Gutei raised his finger into the air. At that moment the boy became enlightened.

[ Parent ]

A good Koan (3.50 / 2) (#52)
by ucblockhead on Wed Jul 18, 2001 at 10:22:13 PM EST

The master appeared with ice cream on day and said "If I give you my ice cream, I will have it, however, if I do not given you my ice cream, you will have it. That is the Ice Cream Koan."
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This is k5. We're all tools - duxup
[ Parent ]
huh? (3.00 / 1) (#54)
by Hillman on Wed Jul 18, 2001 at 10:51:42 PM EST

ok, i'm stupid. please explain it to me. And i'm sure i'm not the only one who didn't understood it but it seems that i'm the only one who stood up and asked an explanation; that make me stupid but brave. :)

English is not my native tongue so maybe that's why i didn't understood it.

[ Parent ]

Koan explainations (3.00 / 2) (#57)
by malikcoates on Thu Jul 19, 2001 at 12:52:15 AM EST

A Parable is story with moral lesson, it seems simple. In reality parables are always more complicated than they seem and they wind up confusing you more than when you started.

In contrast, a Koan seems complex but is always very simple. In fact, they can't be made any more simple. Trying to explain a koan just makes it complicated and misleading or wrong. You kind of just have to sit and chew on till you are satisfied with your own explaination of it.

As for what the Koan about the boy with the missing finger means, I have no fucking clue.

[ Parent ]
Where to get commentary... (none / 0) (#67)
by slaytanic killer on Thu Jul 19, 2001 at 06:28:32 PM EST

GEB:EGB

[ Parent ]
no.. (5.00 / 1) (#58)
by Rainy on Thu Jul 19, 2001 at 01:25:08 AM EST

if it could be explained, the guy would sit down with that boy and explain it. You ever heard of 'Quality that has no name'? You are asking 'so, what's it called?'.
--
Rainy "Collect all zero" Day
[ Parent ]
If you're not a zen master.... (4.50 / 4) (#42)
by boxed on Wed Jul 18, 2001 at 02:33:52 PM EST

...you really shouldn't try to teach because you'll just teach misconceptions. Like this one.

You miss the fundamental point of true buddhism (4.00 / 2) (#55)
by Vladinator on Wed Jul 18, 2001 at 11:41:24 PM EST

As the great teacher Nichiren said "Zen is like a dog barking at the moon"<sic> it has no point, and isn't even remotely real buddhism. Anyone who would say something as retarded as "If you meet the buddha on the road, kill him." demonstrates that they have not embraced the truth as taught by Shakamuni/Sidhartha/Gutama in the Lotus Sutra - the one true Sutra. Remember: Your relationship with the Dharma will be as your relationship to the truth - if you have the wrong truth, your relationship to the Dharma is equally wrong.
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[ Parent ]
The fundimental point of Zen v Buddhism (5.00 / 3) (#61)
by Hillgiant on Thu Jul 19, 2001 at 10:09:20 AM EST

One day the emperor Goyozei asked Gudo,
"In Zen, this very mind is considered buddha, is it not?"
"If I say yes, you will think that you understand
something which in fact you don't. And if I say no, I will
be contradicting a fact that many do understand."
-Zen Mondo

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"It is impossible to say what I mean." -johnny
[ Parent ]

Isn't buddhism? (none / 0) (#71)
by boxed on Fri Jul 20, 2001 at 07:11:20 PM EST

Well, Buddha himself disagreed with your opinion when he appointed his heir in the line of masters that continue to this day. Buddhism is about ending suffering right? Well zen does that better than "real" buddhism.

[ Parent ]
Bah. (5.00 / 1) (#72)
by nevauene on Sun Jul 22, 2001 at 09:03:37 PM EST

Pure Land is crap.


There is no K5 Cabal.
[ Parent ]
www.cs.washington.edu/homes/klee/misc/kookbot.html (1.80 / 5) (#43)
by valency on Wed Jul 18, 2001 at 02:36:40 PM EST

Think about the ignorance, annoying and malignant, and how it compares with clear realism. I can only imagine that you think along the same lines as stupidity. I disagree with completely your arguments only. There is no personal attack here. You argue strenuously for the shameful stupidity to democracy. It is only the clear evidence that you refuse to accept, and it is because you rebut compassion. I ask you to be honest, not unjust. You rebut any appearance of fairness. Yet your argument tries to reject anything involved with everything that is harmonious. But there is a flexible yet critical realism, and your argument would object to it. But there is a flexible yet critical realism, and your argument would rebut it. I can only imagine that you show the validity in oppression. One must consider fairness versus ignorance. I can only imagine that you try to posit indifference. One must consider justice versus discrimination. One must consider democracy versus ignorance. The argument you try to posit would result in stupidity. I ask you to be well-constructed, not lacking in support. You rebut any appearance of democracy. It is only the clear evidence that you reject anything involved with, and it is because you rebut strength. Can there be any doubt? I show the validity in flexible yet critical, open-minded straightforwardness, and you obviously do not. I ask you to be truthful, not closed-minded. You disagree with completely any appearance of straightforwardness. Think about the tyranny, shameful and shameful, and how it compares with well-constructed democracy. You commune with the spirit of the foolish tyranny to fairness. Yet your argument tries to argue strenuously against everything that is well-constructed. The argument you would prefer would result in tyranny. Is this intelligent? I think it is obvious that your statement is closed-minded and closed-minded. But there is a truthful realism, and your argument would argue strenuously against it. True clear realism proceeds from examining straightforwardness, not stupidity. You disagree with completely the fact that your evidence is shallow, the result of unjust propaganda and stupidity. You think along the same lines as annoying discrimination. I rebut that. Is this flexible yet critical? I think it is obvious that your statement is closed-minded and malevolent. Think about the discrimination, long-winded and annoying, and how it compares with intelligent compassion. True well-constructed realism proceeds from examining freedom, not ignorance. You rebut the fact that your evidence is shallow, the result of unjust propaganda and oppression. Think about the stupidity, malevolent and orthodox, and how it compares with open-minded fairness. True well-constructed strength proceeds from examining subtlety, not oppression. True practical fairness proceeds from examining justice, not oppression. One must consider freedom versus stupidity. Is this honest? I think it is obvious that your statement is dangerous and dangerous. Yet your argument tries to disagree with completely everything that is clear. You reject anything involved with the fact that your evidence is shallow, the result of annoying propaganda and propaganda. I ask you to be clear, not malignant. You object to any appearance of justice. I ask you to be harmonious, not dangerous. You reject anything involved with any appearance of subtlety. You reject anything involved with the fact that your evidence is shallow, the result of dangerous propaganda and stupidity. You argue strenuously against the fact that your evidence is shallow, the result of orthodox propaganda and propaganda. Can there be any doubt? I commune with the spirit of open-minded, practical straightforwardness, and you obviously do not. You try to posit fascist ignorance. I argue strenuously against that. You reject anything involved with the fact that your evidence is shallow, the result of unjust propaganda and propaganda. I can only imagine that you would prefer prejudice. Yet your argument tries to object to everything that is flexible yet critical. You refuse to accept the fact that your evidence is shallow, the result of malignant propaganda and indifference. Can there be any doubt? I commune with the spirit of honest, clear fairness, and you obviously do not.

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zzz (1.00 / 2) (#46)
by steve m on Wed Jul 18, 2001 at 06:06:02 PM EST

i cant be arsed to read this comment, cos it is too big.

unlike the story, which is too small.

[ Parent ]
LLORT! Check the subject line ;) (2.50 / 2) (#47)
by valency on Wed Jul 18, 2001 at 06:23:06 PM EST



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If you disagree, and somebody has already posted the exact rebuttal that you would use: moderate, don't post.
[ Parent ]
this is why we need a harder queue` (3.50 / 4) (#44)
by typhatix on Wed Jul 18, 2001 at 03:42:04 PM EST

articles as silly and contentless as this. and the old rehashed bad joke about the smurfs. and the other stupid, contentless articles that as of late have been hitting the site.



it took me (2.66 / 3) (#48)
by Justin Kramer on Wed Jul 18, 2001 at 07:38:04 PM EST

4 minutes 33 seconds to read this. cough.

If you see rusty in the submissions queue... (1.33 / 3) (#50)
by magney on Wed Jul 18, 2001 at 09:53:53 PM EST

vote him -1 Dump.

Do I look like I speak for my employer?

rusty in the submission queue (2.00 / 4) (#59)
by malikcoates on Thu Jul 19, 2001 at 02:49:37 AM EST

A submission queue which has rusty in it is not the true submission queue.

[ Parent ]
Zen Mondo (5.00 / 1) (#62)
by Hillgiant on Thu Jul 19, 2001 at 10:15:30 AM EST

Hui-ts'ang asked on of his monks, "Can you get hold of
emptiness?"
"I'll try," said the monk, and he cupped his hands in the air.
"You haven't got anything in there." Hui-ts'ang exclaimed.
"Please show me a better way," asked the monk.
Hui-ts'ang seized the monk's nose and yanked it hard.
"Ouch!" yelled the monk.
"There -- that's how you get hold of emptiness" said the
master.

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"It is impossible to say what I mean." -johnny

Zen Is. (5.00 / 1) (#65)
by skyhook on Thu Jul 19, 2001 at 04:49:06 PM EST

No book, website, class, teacher... none of these can tell you what zen is. A week long Dalai Lama Fantasy Camp where you get to run around in red robes and eat rice and chant mantras with the Twelfth son of the Lama himself wont teach you what zen is. Tank may be able to load instructional programs into you through the Matrix on Jiu Jitsu and how to fly a bell jetranger, but he cant tell you what zen is.

One day you'll be sitting somewhere thinking about life, mad at the world, uncomfortable from the heat, in pain from a stubbed toe. Suddenly, in a stunning burst of clarity you'll realize that the pain and discomfort you feel is of your own making. And then you will be enlightened.

A zen master and his students were walking along the river. Across the river was another zen master and his students. One called across "Our master can wave a quill in the air on this side of the river and have the words appear on parchment on your side." One of the first master's students thought and replied. "When our master eats, he only eats. When our master sleeps, he only sleeps. When our master walks, he only walks." The students of the other zen master were so impressed that they crossed the river to accept the first as their new teacher. (with apologies for the paraphrase.)



off topic (4.20 / 5) (#66)
by CodeBhikkhu on Thu Jul 19, 2001 at 06:07:01 PM EST

Who can sit straighter?

Who can sit longer?

Who can chuckle at koans, remembering the first time they "got it" the most?

Who can try to answer an empty question with a "witty" and more empty answer?

Who can pose an empty question in hopes of rebutting, with more wit, the answers he inticed?

Who can show that they know more about zen/buddhism/theravada/insert-your-favorite-flavor, than any other person.

Who inticed me to go on this rant?

Just by answering this silly post I'm a hypocrit. :P I swear, online discussions of buddhism are pointless. The only times I've ever had worthwhile discussions about it were with my dharma teachers, my friends and my sangha (spiritual community.) A teacher will tear through one's pretentiousness to get underneath immediately. With friends there it is a journey "toward" mutual understanding not a show "about" who knows more. With the sangha it is a journey into the depths of understanding with like minded individuals.

I prefer comments about every person's buddhism rather than watching a bunch of people chase their tails pretending they understand what true buddhism is or even worse pretending they are witty like the masters (who, in my opinion, aren't witty at all.)

This whole thread reminds me of the nihlists in "The Big Lebowski."

I apologize for the critical nature of this rant. Sometimes I'm very saddened by the fact that most discussions of buddhism are superficial due to a general lack of personal experience of the subject and only a little intellectual study of it. But, like they say, a little bit of knowledge can be a dangerous thing.

CodeBhikkhu
"A week long Dalai Lama Fantasy Camp where you get to run around in red robes and eat rice and chant mantras with the Twelfth son of the Lama himself wont teach you what zen is." -- skyhook
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