so you think that the usa is fully justified to carpet bomb the middle east due to 9/11?
or is unbridled uncontrolled hatred only expected of brown people?
No more than it is expected of the Irish, the Scottish, the Macedonians, and so on and so on and so on.
But of course you're the one saying that Muslim hatred has absolutely no external cause.
this is the way you think- the west: permanently responsible. the middle east: permanent child
The ONLY reason that you think that is because I don't think how you think - the west: permanently innocent. the middle east: permanently culpable.
See? Once again, exactly as predicted, you can do nothing but create a strawman based on a false dichotomy. You are mentally incapable of understanding a nuanced argument. You create a choice that consists of two extremes, and then force everyone to pick one even if it is obvious that neither choice in fact applies.
After all, we are bombing Middle Eastern countries, are we not? And one of those countries we were certainly angry at, were we not? Would you posit that this anger is our fault? Or would you admit the rather obvious fact that this was an effect that stemmed from the cause of Muslim terrorists attacking us?
I'll assume you can at least comprehend that much cause-and-effect, but when it's the other way suddenly there's no such thing? Can be no such thing? That it's actually racist to imply that other people might be affected by our actions, like that makes them a parent? You're the racist, thinking that only the West acts with any cause, and the "brown people" are the crazies who hate and kill for absolutely no reason.
Because that's literally what you're saying -- you're saying there are only two choices, either it's all our fault, or it's all their fault. And you've made it clear that you don't think it's all our fault.
Neither do I, but of course I also don't agree with you, and to understand that you'd have to understand nuance, and thus have actual knowledge. Instead, you have a viewpoint that is so divorced from anything resembling reality that it boggles the mind how you could be so thick.
I mean you are literally saying that the only choices are parent/child, or completely independent with no influence over each other. If that's literally the limit of your experience with human and political relationships, then you really are as ignorant and stupid and sheltered as you appear to be. Even a retard -- a literal retard -- can understand that some of their behavior can be caused by others actions, some caused by completely different people's actions, and some that is completely their own choice. But you aren't even that bright.
And the sad part is that this has resulted in you being an extremist. You are an extremist who only believes in two views: Either the problems of the Middle East are entirely the fault of the West in every way (clearly not true!), or the Middle East is completely culpable for all of their own problems, and thus there's no action that we can take other than violence (the correct choice by default, since there can be only two options).
That's pretty much the definition of extremism. And it's driving out the moderates.
A moderate is someone capable of nuance. A moderate is someone who is capable of understanding that it is possible for both someone to have created a bad situation through their interference, and for those in that situation to make it worse through their own actions.
An extremist is someone who believes there are only two options -- they are 100% right, or 100% wrong. And thus they hear the moderate say that they are not 100% right, and immediately the extremist assumes they agree 100% with the other side. Thus the surest sign of a moderate is when extremists of both stripes claim the moderate is a force for the opposing group of extremist.
This describes our conversation perfectly.
A real world example of this is Palestinian President Abbas, widely recognized as a moderate. He believes that Israel is in part culpable for the violence, and that Palestine is as well. He believes that peace can only be achieved if both sides admit their wrongdoing and stop pretending that they are only defending themselves from baseless agression. Then, predictably, extremists on both sides don't like him. Israeli extremists in the Likud refuse to admit any culpability, and refuse to stop attacking until the other side stops first. Hamas extremists refuse to admit that they have any culpability, and refuse to stop attacking until the other side does first.
The result? Abbas was pushed aside and the extremists on both side, but especially Hamas, were empowered. Since neither could recognize that the middle ground was different than the opposite extreme, opposite extremes were left as the only options.
This is exactly what you are doing. You are an extremist. You will only empower extremism, and cause your worst extremist nightmares to come to pass.
Here I am presenting a reasonable, moderate, and most importantly historically factual opinion that Western interference has caused many problems in the Middle East and spurred extremism, and that many internal factors have led to extremism across much of the Middle East, and that interference by non-Western outside forces has similarly created strife and thus the seeds of extremism.
But you are only mentally capable of absorbing one part, the part about the West, and then assume that means I'm saying it's all the West's fault, which is contrary to your extremist view that the West has no hand in it at all, and thus I must be the opposite kind of extremist who blames it all on the U.S.
Whatever, you crazy extremist. You are stupid, you are ignorant, you are incapable of nuance, and thus you are incapable of understanding. Your views cannot and will not do anything but spur other extremists, and push moderates to the side. Your views cannot do anything but FAIL to accomplish your goals, because your views ignore reality because reality doesn't fit into some stupid false dichotomy. You don't even believe in cause and effect because it doesn't fit in your black/white world.
You have done exactly what I said you would do -- prove you are incapable of nuance, and incapable of viewing the world as anything but a false dichotomy. Well guess what? The world doesn't work that way. That's why anyone who tries to take action based on your crazy, stupid, ignorant extremist views FAILS.
Only you are surprised. Because extremists think they can make the world work how they want by refusing to admit it doesn't. Only an extremist thinks that this is a replacement for knowing things.
Whatever, extremist. Now form another false dichotomy and straw man that you can rail against as being an extremist of the opposite stripe. It just proves my point.
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