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Announcing Met4Filter.org

By rusty in Site News
Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 12:50:35 AM EST
Tags: Kuro5hin.org (all tags)
Kuro5hin.org

A chance meeting at SXSW, a furious month of meetings, conference calls, and negotiations, and finally, the t's are crossed and the i's dotted, and I can tell the world what I've been itching to reveal for weeks.

The summary is that Kuro5hin.org, backed by development funding from a company that wishes to remain anonymous for now, has purchased Metafilter, which will henceforth be available at the URL Met4Filter.org. This announcement also kicks off the foundation of the K5 Community Network, which will seek to acquire other leading-edge sites, and become the net's premier destination for online community.

I know this is a surprise, but it's a fantastically exciting one. Much more information inside...

Update [2002-4-1 10:8:22 by rusty]: True? No, of course not. :-)


Most of you are probably familiar with MetaFilter. Founded by San Franciscan Matt Haughey in 1999, about 6 months before K5, it has grown to over 13,000 members, who post links and comments daily about anything and everything online. It's like the MLP section on steroids, and has become one of the most widely hailed sites for its consistently interesting, funny, and innovative content, and its strong community feel.

In San Francisco, chance (or possibly fate?) had it that I ended up in an apartment only two blocks away from Matt's. We became friends, and have remained in touch since I moved. So naturally when SXSW rolled around earlier this month, we got together to catch up. He has been working on many things besides MeFi, and bemoaned the fact that it took him so much time and energy to maintain. He said that if only he could get a decent offer, he'd sell it in a heartbeat.

It just so happened that in the same group was a representative from our anonymous backer-to-be, who was scoping out the conference for the next big thing online. He'd heard of both K5 and MeFi as emerging giants in the post-dotcom-crash internet, and saw an opportunity. He came right up to us and described who he was, and what he, and his company, were looking for, and we both immediately saw the opportunity he was offering. It was a solid, established company with a long tradition of recognizing the value in online community, and we were offered funding, along with complete freedom and independence to develop a new internet powerhouse, starting with this merger.

Well, needless to say, it's been a long month since then, but everyone was committed to making this happen, and we worked out all the details in probably record time. Matt has a lot of other projects he's involved with, including co-writing a book, some great contracting projects, and other things, so we eventually decided that K5 would take the lead as the cornerstone of the new organization, and buy MeFi outright. We all have the highest respect for Matt's vision and community leadership skills, so we'll be keeping him on as a "community leadership consultant" for the M4 site for as long as he wants to do it.

If you visit M4 today, you'll see a new design commemorating the event. The design will probably evolve somewhat, as will K5's, to more tightly integrate the new partner sites, and we have already started the groundwork for converting M4 over to Scoop, which should vastly increase both the maintainability and usability of the site. The old Metafilter.com URL will probably continue to work, since it would be confusing to let it become some other site, but will redirect to the new URL from now on, and we encourage everyone to update their bookmarks and use the new location when passing along links.

Here on K5, there will likely be a few small changes. The first is, I'm sure to the relief of many of you, we will be doing away with the MLP section. M4 is such a better interface and venue for that kind of thing, I think K5 will try to stick to what we do best, which is in-depth, original articles. You may have already noticed the new K5CN navbar on top of the page, so you can easily move between the different K5CN sites, and, as I said above, we'll be looking to acquire other internet properties that fit in with the mission of the network. We will also be introducing expanded cross-site text advertising.

It's been incredibly difficult keeping this to ourselves all month; we've been so excited about it we felt like we were going to burst. I want to thank Matt Haughey for his vision and friendship, and also thank our silent partner for their unwavering belief that community is the future of the net. And of course, I have to thank all of you for making K5 the best damn community online, and making this all possible.

So, questions? Comments? As always, I can't wait to hear what you all think. :-)

Update [2002-4-1 10:28:16 by rusty]: Ahh, for just a few brief hours, it was 1998 all over again. Mergers! Investors! Money! But no, there is no money. This is 2002. K5 and MeFi are both still poor and unmerged. And we're not getting rid of MLP. And, umm, anything else I may have said in the comments to this story should be entirely disbelieved.

Community site owners only get one day a year that we don't have to be nice to everyone, and extremely patient, forgiving, and understanding, so please, do not grudge us our small fun. ;-)

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Announcing Met4Filter.org | 120 comments (120 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)
Aaack! (4.88 / 9) (#1)
by fluffy grue on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 12:53:29 AM EST

The ugly blue bar is back!
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"...but who knows, perhaps [stories about] technology and hardware will come to be [unpopular]." -- rusty the p
Umm Rusty (3.50 / 6) (#2)
by The Littlest Hobo on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 12:54:16 AM EST

Ever heard of 'voting in the queue'?

It's site news (5.00 / 2) (#4)
by fluffy grue on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 12:56:32 AM EST

It doesn't need queue voting unless rusty wants it to vie for the front page. And anyway, I have a feeling this is just a stupid april fool's joke. :D
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"...but who knows, perhaps [stories about] technology and hardware will come to be [unpopular]." -- rusty the p
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but it is on the front page (4.60 / 5) (#13)
by Delirium on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 01:01:24 AM EST

And it shouldn't be.

Given the choice I certainly wouldn't have voted +1 FP on any April 1 jokes, including this one.

[ Parent ]

Agreed (none / 0) (#18)
by juahonen on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 01:08:26 AM EST

Wasted my time too. I'd appreciate if site news was kept for serious stuff.

[ Parent ]
The merger is not the joke (none / 0) (#92)
by pin0cchio on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 09:32:29 AM EST

The introduction of Metafilter into K5CN (and the renaming to M4) is not an April Fool's joke. The joke is the redesign of M4's look-and-feel to match K5's.
lj65
[ Parent ]
Really (none / 0) (#93)
by juahonen on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 09:36:09 AM EST

This is some day to announce it, if they have been planning it for a month as Rusty claims. Tried to look for info about this on other sites but found none. I'll wait till tomorrow and see what comes out of this then.

[ Parent ]
Yeah... (none / 0) (#20)
by fluffy grue on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 01:08:54 AM EST

I didn't notice before,since I don't normally browse the front page (usually just Diaries and Everything), so...
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"...but who knows, perhaps [stories about] technology and hardware will come to be [unpopular]." -- rusty the p
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Posting explanation (3.75 / 12) (#3)
by rusty on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 12:55:07 AM EST

Ok, I first submitted this to the queue, but then changed my mind and just posted it, because dammit, it's big news!

I know this is not standard protocol, and I beg your forgiveness. We were bursting to get this out, and I can't wait any longer. :-)

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Not the real rusty

Hmm (4.12 / 8) (#5)
by The Littlest Hobo on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 12:56:46 AM EST

I think when it comes to stories, you give yourself too much credit.

This should have gone through the queue, dude. I know it's your site, but I'm just sayin'. I'm sure I'm not the only one that feels that way.

[ Parent ]
I disagree (5.00 / 3) (#60)
by synaesthesia on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 04:16:51 AM EST

It's either site news (MLP section is being scrapped) or it's time-critical (April Fool's day joke).

Sausages or cheese?
[ Parent ]
Jesus (2.50 / 2) (#63)
by Quixato on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 05:19:10 AM EST

This guy rusty put his blood and sweat into this site, and you're busting his nuts because he wants to post a story? It's HIS site, damnit! Even in a community of equals, there is always one who is MORE equal. Sorry dude.

"People are like smarties - all different colours on the outside, but exactly the same on the inside." - Me
"Learn to question, question to learn." - Sl8r
[ Parent ]

A good Network site (4.00 / 3) (#12)
by Niche on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 01:01:14 AM EST

http://gamefu.org would be perfect for the network ;) it could be www.g4mefu.org hmm... g4-me-fu that seems a little weird ;)

[ Parent ]
You used to say you'd never do this (5.00 / 4) (#61)
by PresJPolk on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 04:38:56 AM EST

I'm disappointed.

[ Parent ]
Site News (3.00 / 1) (#71)
by driph on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 07:17:58 AM EST

Actually, Site News almost never goes through the queue. That's why we have the New Site News link when it happens. And it's just that, site news.

Regular articles, no matter who they are from, go through the queue. In any other circumstance that isn't true, it's always noted by an editor(such as when a half dozen articles hit the queue at once on 9-11).

--
Vegas isn't a liberal stronghold. It's the place where the rich and powerful gamble away their company's pension fund and strangle call girls in their hotel rooms. - Psycho Dave
[ Parent ]

It's still a change from the previous attitude (5.00 / 1) (#82)
by PresJPolk on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 08:34:05 AM EST

http://www.kuro5hin.org/comments/2000/6/7/151425/7439/8#8

[ Parent ]
Heh (none / 0) (#66)
by J'raxis on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 06:00:44 AM EST

So that’s how Pompadour got in one -1 vote. I was wondering about that...

— The Raxis

[ J’raxis·Com | Liberty in your lifetime ]
[ Parent ]

What's really funny (none / 0) (#110)
by jayhawk88 on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 12:02:55 PM EST

Is that two people actually got votes in before rusty went ahead front-paged it. Proof that Ken Pompadour really does spend all his time waiting to get first vote/first post on all the new submissions.

Why, then, should we grant government the Orwellian capability to listen at will and in real time to our communications across the Web? -- John Ashcroft
[ Parent ]
At first glance... (4.00 / 5) (#6)
by CokeBear on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 12:57:06 AM EST

Smells like April 1st to me

Oh (5.00 / 2) (#8)
by conraduno on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 12:58:11 AM EST

Arg, dammit. I still have two more hours to go. Methinks I was fooled with an early april fools joke. :)
non.
[ Parent ]
Heh (3.66 / 6) (#7)
by conraduno on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 12:57:10 AM EST

I was browsing MeFi when it suddenly changed, and I spent many confused minutes trying to figure out what the hell was happening. Looked like a joke, but this is actually pretty damned cool. Congrats Rusty and Matt.
non.
Heh... (none / 0) (#17)
by Niche on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 01:08:13 AM EST

Hehe, thats pretty funny. I could only imagine. Now they need to get the M4 accounts working!

[ Parent ]
Sorry to dissappoint you... (4.00 / 2) (#29)
by E r i c on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 01:24:55 AM EST

but you've been fooled by an April Fool's joke! ;-D

I blame my past transgressions on Eminem's music. Reform number five is currently in progress.
[ Parent ]
The date (4.66 / 9) (#9)
by Da Unicorn on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 12:59:16 AM EST

Today, everything is suspect. Even you, O Rusty one.

Nice writeup +1 FP. I need brownie points.

Da



Actually i think if it is a april fools (4.50 / 10) (#10)
by eviltwin on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 12:59:51 AM EST

Its a well done one - gentlemen i suspect we have been had by the master.

All generalisations are false, including this one.
RIP MLP (4.00 / 8) (#11)
by CokeBear on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 01:00:06 AM EST

Even if this is an April Fools Joke (and I'm quite certain that it is) I still think it would be a good idea to get rid of MLP. What do you think?

Uhoh... (4.20 / 5) (#14)
by BOredAtWork on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 01:03:57 AM EST

...So, you're doing away with the MLP section. What makes you think that will do away with people posting MLP? Honestly, it seems that someone could (and no doubt will) post MLP with a 50 words writeup under one of the other sections... I think MLP will show up in the queue still, but people will start complaining more and more about "noise" and "poorly written articles" because there's no place for those to GO now except to be voted down. Any plan to avoid having MLP show up in the submission queue and sending it to met4filter...? If not, brace for MLP being submitted anyways, only with a different section heading selected. And brace for more backlash, when people complain that it doesn't fit the category, and that there is lots of "junk" being submitted, and the queue never having anything "good" in it. At least now, that "junk" can be sectioned properly. If you don't have a plan to force it into met4filter, then you're liable to face a problem.

note the date, sir (5.00 / 1) (#16)
by Delirium on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 01:04:45 AM EST



[ Parent ]
MLP (4.20 / 5) (#22)
by rusty on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 01:14:37 AM EST

MLP should now be referred to the M4 site. It's a whole MLP playground, just for that. It would be dumb for us to try to do that here.

I hope that we can work out some syndication between the two sites, so people who want MLP here, or longer articles there, can still have the best of both worlds.

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]

one account [to rule them all] (none / 0) (#24)
by infinitera on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 01:21:12 AM EST

Will we have to have two cookies, or will one suffice? ;)

[ Parent ]
This is what I want to see. (5.00 / 1) (#30)
by dram on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 01:27:48 AM EST

A master user db. It will require me to remember far fewer passwords. I'm also wondering what other sites are going to be a part of the K5 networky deal (assuming its not an april fools joke. (I still havent decided if I will give rusty the benifit of the doubt yet.))

I think my brain has died.

-dram
[grant.henninger.name]

[ Parent ]

Yes, I agree (5.00 / 4) (#34)
by sigwinch on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 01:31:53 AM EST

Microsoft Passport technology should be integrated as soon as possible.

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I don't want the world, I just want your half.
[ Parent ]

rate of change (none / 0) (#38)
by infinitera on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 01:40:45 AM EST

MeFi (err, M4 I mean) moves too fast for me, I could never keep up; however, if its part of my k5 account, and sectioned and whatnot, I can miss less cool stuff daily. It's that simple. That, and maybe I'll post comments there :p

[ Parent ]
Syndication == RDF (nt) (none / 0) (#25)
by dram on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 01:22:18 AM EST



-dram
[grant.henninger.name]

[ Parent ]
In other news (3.85 / 14) (#15)
by Delirium on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 01:04:13 AM EST

Kuro5h1n.org is merging with Memepool.

Also, dongs.

ST:TNG Ep (3.83 / 12) (#19)
by Delirium on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 01:08:52 AM EST

Watching an ST:TNG ep. Season Three: Episode 60, The High Ground, It has a lot of intristing ideas on the Kuro5hin is Merging with Met4filter Situatiuon.

Sounded very similar (5.00 / 1) (#28)
by Mysidia on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 01:24:31 AM EST

To this diary entry.

Yet such lack of explanation, could you provide more details? What ideas even apply?

<-- confused



-Mysidia the insane @k5
[ Parent ]
All it takes is a little searching (4.00 / 1) (#40)
by jesterzog on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 01:43:56 AM EST

From here:

Stardate 43510.7: While tending to innocent bystanders injured in the explosion of a terrorist bomb, Dr. Crusher is taken hostage by a ruthless freedom fighter who is blind to the fate of his rebellion and refuses to hear any argument from the Starfleet officers or the local law enforcers that his way of "liberating" his people may not be just.

Isn't it obvious? :)


jesterzog Fight the light


[ Parent ]
Errrm (3.38 / 21) (#21)
by rusty on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 01:12:11 AM EST

It seems everyone is way more sensitive to April Fools day than we guessed. We just thought it would be funny to announce it today.

Ok, let me be totally clear. The M4 design, right now, is mostly a joke (though some things will probably be changing). The news, and the merger, are not. I'm now stuck with the uncomfortable realization that I have no real way to prove that to you. But would I have jumped the queue for a silly April Fools joke? Well, probably. But... damn. See?

Well, all you have to go on is my assertion, but the story is true. I think this will be a Good ThingTM for both sites. It's like peanut butter and jelly. Two great sites that go great together! And now I finally have some money to do some of the things I always wanted to do, and make this thing self-supporting.

As always, your ideas are what makes cool stuff happen. Hopefully when all this April Fools stuff clears away, you'll have some more. You always do. :-)

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Not the real rusty

In that case (5.00 / 1) (#23)
by eviltwin on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 01:20:46 AM EST

we have to assume you're telling the truth and offer apologies and congrats.

The loss of MLP is not a bad thing but it does need to be replaced to my thoughts, perhaps something with a lower voting threshold on met4filter or similar, perhaps like a daily linkup section or similar in which mindless links can be posted - maybe with one line of descrition and then rated by the users - that is if you post links consistently that get rated 5 then your threshold for posting links is lower - less votes. Just an idea

All generalisations are false, including this one.
[ Parent ]
no (5.00 / 1) (#26)
by Delirium on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 01:23:10 AM EST

If that were indeed the case, rather than offering congratulations, we'd have to begin forming the lynch mob. =]

[ Parent ]
You want to prove it to us? (5.00 / 5) (#27)
by suick on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 01:24:18 AM EST

Remove the MLP section from the "post a story" area.

order in to with the will I around my effort sentences an i of more be fuck annoying.
[ Parent ]
Could, but (2.12 / 8) (#37)
by rusty on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 01:34:40 AM EST

I could, but it's been public for about an hour now. I think we need a little more time and thought in how to make it all work before we start changing sections here. Hell, M4 isn't even running Scoop yet. Give us some time. :-)

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]
Here's how you can prove it. (1.66 / 3) (#87)
by Stick on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 08:54:01 AM EST

Touch my penis.


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Stick, thine posts bring light to mine eyes, tingles to my loins. Yea, each moment I sit, my monitor before me, waiting, yearning, needing your prose to make the moment complete. - Joh3n
[ Parent ]
April Fool's Sucks (4.60 / 5) (#31)
by /dev/trash on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 01:28:01 AM EST

I get to browse /. and k5 and wander...hmm is this real or is it fake? Already /. has a Qt-Console joke going. Very well done as the qt-console site actually has source youc an download. One file though that says "April Fools" if it's run. No I didn't run it. I downloaded it and just looked at the source.

The only way we'll know if the merger is real is if the associated pages are all around April 2. if it is real ( and I am doubtful) announcing it on April 1 is always gonan lead to people being confused, but hey maybe that's what you were looking for.

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Updated 02/20/2004
New Site
[ Parent ]

0, troll (3.00 / 5) (#33)
by xriso on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 01:29:44 AM EST


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[ Parent ]
Wow. (4.50 / 2) (#36)
by xriso on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 01:34:06 AM EST

That's like the first time someone's rated rusty 0 in at least 12 days (too lazy to search back further).
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[ Parent ]
I suppose it would be more frequent (none / 0) (#43)
by suick on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 01:53:49 AM EST

Except most of us who are willing to do so aren't trusted users...

order in to with the will I around my effort sentences an i of more be fuck annoying.
[ Parent ]
You know... (4.40 / 5) (#52)
by xriso on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 03:07:28 AM EST

It's pretty easy. Just don't get all controversial.

0s away!!!
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          0

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(apologies to anyone who knows what a real aircraft looks like)
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[ Parent ]

I refuse to be the painted whore (none / 0) (#103)
by suick on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 10:37:10 AM EST



order in to with the will I around my effort sentences an i of more be fuck annoying.
[ Parent ]
if true.. (none / 0) (#39)
by panck on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 01:40:55 AM EST

are you going to merge username databases, or do I have to sign up for a met4filter login?

also how come no K5CN collar on top of met4filter.org ?

[ Parent ]
Will K5 become closed-membership like M4 is? (none / 0) (#85)
by pin0cchio on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 08:51:53 AM EST

As always, your ideas are what makes cool stuff happen. Hopefully when all this April Fools stuff clears away, you'll have some more.

Yes, but apparently M4 doesn't want my ideas. There's no way to sign up, as membership is closed for the foreseeable future.


lj65
[ Parent ]
Well what's the real story then? (none / 0) (#90)
by The Littlest Hobo on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 09:16:29 AM EST

Would you believe that some of us have never heard of Metafilter? OK, I think I've been there a couple of times, but wasn't it just a list of links? What does that have to do with Kuro5hin?

[ Parent ]
hooray!!!!!!1 (2.88 / 9) (#32)
by xriso on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 01:28:11 AM EST

Good, now corRo5hin will bE tAking over the inTarweb!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Why? (4.50 / 6) (#35)
by fluffy grue on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 01:32:14 AM EST

23:06 <magenta> Oh.
23:06 <magenta> Okay, so,like, uh, why? :)
23:07 <rusty> read the aerticle! this is great! :-)
23:07 <rusty> hang on
23:07 <rusty> commenting
23:07 <rusty> i didn't think people would be so april-fools sensitive
23:15 <magenta> The article didn't say why, just what
23:15 <magenta> and like, why change the URLs and everything? and what's the point of this whole 'community
network' thing?
23:16 <rusty> we should be doing this in the comments
23:16 <rusty> :-)
23:16 <rusty> so i don't have to answer these questions many times

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"...but who knows, perhaps [stories about] technology and hardware will come to be [unpopular]." -- rusty the p
Why? (2.87 / 8) (#41)
by rusty on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 01:47:56 AM EST

First, see Matt's comment on MeFi itself. That explains things from his end of the deal. From my end, it was irresistable. I love MeFi, I think it fills in a spot in K5 that we all kind of tolerate but don't exactly think fits here (MLP-type stuff). I also think it'd be a hell of a lot easier to use if it ran Scoop. And, of course, there's always money. K5 alone was not very compelling. MeFi alone likewise. But the two together, and you're talking about an awful lot of seriously leading-edge web folks. The kinds of people that some organization that knew what they were doing could make back a lot of profit advertising to.

"What! So it's all about marketing!?" I hear you saying. Well, yeah, sort of. In the sense that it's finally sinking in to a select few in the "old business" world that what we're doing here makes sense in the new medium. Between the two of them, K5 and MeFi won't take more than three people to run. Textads are performing far, far better than any other form of online advertising. Put those two together, and you have a good potential for low costs and healthy returns. It's not the 90's anymore, and no one's becoming a millionaire here. But our backers see the economic viability of this deal, given the right support and a couple of people to go out and get us some smart advertisers. We're not changing what we do -- we're just getting a safety net and some support in doing it.

The thing with the URL is basically a "break from the past" idea. M4 is not MeFi. It will be a new incarnation, which will (hopefully) keep what worked and fix what didn't about the old site. And I have a numbers-in-the-URL fetish. But more of the former than the latter. :-)

The "Community Network" is still very much on the drawing board. But we feel like there are other sites out there that have a lot of potential to fit in and expand the reach of our kind of online media. It's good for us, and it's good for the net. So hopefully we can make something happen in that area, too.

Oh, and I forgot to mention it, but the amusing article in the Reg, while it jumped the gun a bit and riffed on the actual events, was the result of me leaking this to Andy O. a few days ago. What can I say, he's a buddy, but he can't resist scooping everyone even if he's really not supposed to. So he slipped it in at the end of an article he knew no one was gonna believe. :-)

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]

Ah, okay (5.00 / 3) (#45)
by fluffy grue on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 01:58:32 AM EST

That clears things up, and it seems pretty cool, in a way... will there be any sort of merging of the user databases or any other sort of things to make K5CN sites seem like a single site (rather than a loose affiliation)? Like, I'd like to be able to peruse comments on both sites from just one 'Your Comments' page, for example.

One site which I think might work well in the K5CN is somesongs. I don't think Jeff (who reads MeFi) would be the sort to embrace the sorts of openness that K5 thrives upon, though, but he seems pretty new to the whole "running a community" thing (right now I'm actually taking a possibly-permanent vacation from somesongs because of some serious issues I have with his attitude, as well as some various "discussions" on there which were causing me to spend way too much emotional energy on trivial shit).
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"...but who knows, perhaps [stories about] technology and hardware will come to be [unpopular]." -- rusty the p
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Parent ]

Oops (none / 0) (#46)
by fluffy grue on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 01:59:09 AM EST

I just saw what Matt said about merging the userbases. :)
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"...but who knows, perhaps [stories about] technology and hardware will come to be [unpopular]." -- rusty the p
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I don't like it (3.00 / 3) (#48)
by Delirium on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 02:03:38 AM EST

Frankly, I think MeFi sucks. I've tried to "get into it" a few times, and I've always been disgusted, because it really really sucks. The content is uninteresting and the page layout is horrible.

So if this is not an April Fool's joke, count me unimpressed.

[ Parent ]

Yeah... (4.00 / 2) (#59)
by synaesthesia on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 04:14:22 AM EST

...but what you do you think about the layout etc. on M4?

Sausages or cheese?
[ Parent ]
it's kind of crappy (none / 0) (#62)
by Delirium on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 04:42:47 AM EST

For the same reasons as MeFi.

Especially the unthreaded comments.

[ Parent ]

I've tried to get in, and they won't let me (none / 0) (#86)
by pin0cchio on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 08:53:46 AM EST

I've tried to "get into it" a few times

I can see why you've failed. They won't let you in; they won't let me in; they won't let anybody in.


lj65
[ Parent ]
But... (4.16 / 6) (#42)
by Mysidia on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 01:52:31 AM EST

I like MLP... Don't take it away! *cries*

The summary is that Kuro5hin.org, backed by development funding from a company that wishes to remain anonymous for now,

Oh no! K5 is being eaten up by corporate interests now!

of the K5 Community Network, which will seek to acquire other leading-edge sites, and become the net's premier destination for online community.

*Sgudder*

I am not enthused... <--- hoping this is some sort of sick joke, actually



-Mysidia the insane @k5
Out of interest (4.75 / 4) (#44)
by jesterzog on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 01:54:45 AM EST

Out of interest assuming this isn't an April Fools day thing, and since someone will probably ask eventually anyway, does this mean there will be a www.kuro5hin.com some time soon?

Does k5 become a company if it goes down this road of acquiring other sites? (Perhaps it officially is already -- I have no idea.)


jesterzog Fight the light


Kuro5hin.com (none / 0) (#64)
by driph on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 05:42:25 AM EST

Actually yes, there will be a Kuro5hin.com, and fairly soon, now that timesinks like figuring out how we're going to pay rent have been set aside for more productive tasks such as developing the network.

While we do now have funding, we're not foolish enough to rely on it existing forever. K5CN will still be built around the hopefully profitable tripod of subscriptions, text advertising, and commerce. That's where kuro5hin.com comes in.

The site will be, as we like to call it, the Thinkgeek of community sites. From there you'll be able to pick up swag relating to K5, M4 and several other sites that will be joining the network.

Assuming we don't run into any huge hurdles with development(or setting up inventory/fulfillment), K5.com should be up within a month, two at tops.

--
Vegas isn't a liberal stronghold. It's the place where the rich and powerful gamble away their company's pension fund and strangle call girls in their hotel rooms. - Psycho Dave
[ Parent ]

The Thinkgeek of community sites (5.00 / 1) (#79)
by ajf on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 08:16:47 AM EST

but how can you make a text ad suck that much?



"I have no idea if it is true or not, but given what you read on the Web, it seems to be a valid concern." -jjayson
[ Parent ]
Don't Panic (4.60 / 5) (#47)
by John Milton on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 02:01:59 AM EST

I'm going to go out on a limb and say this isn't a joke. Rusty's been talking about something big and secret for quite a while. Don't fall into his trap. This is a meta-April Fool's Day joke. The sneaky bastard is just toying with us. We're nothing but puppets..puppets you hear me!


"When we consider that woman are treated as property, it is degrading to women that we should Treat our children as property to be disposed of as we see fit." -Elizabeth Cady Stanton


Or maybe... (5.00 / 4) (#49)
by Khalad on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 02:11:18 AM EST

It's a meta-meta-April Fool's Day joke! That's just what he wants you to think, that he's not joking. This rusty fellow is no dull jigsaw, let me tell you. Cheeky bastard.

You remind me why I still, deep in my bitter crusty broken heart, love K5. —rusty


[ Parent ]
Not ambitious enough. (5.00 / 2) (#53)
by xriso on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 03:09:58 AM EST

It's meta-meta-meta-April Fools'. And don't even think about a 4th meta, because it's obviously wrong.
--
*** Quits: xriso:#kuro5hin (Forever)
[ Parent ]
Fool! (3.00 / 2) (#58)
by synaesthesia on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 04:10:10 AM EST

That's exactly what Rusty wants you to think! However, it is quite obviously a meta-meta-meta-meta-April Fool's day joke. And not a meta-meta-meta-meta-meta-April Fool's day joke. Although it could be a meta-meta-meta-meta-meta-meta-meta-meta-meta-met.-me.a-m.ta-.eta-me..-m..a-..ta-m....-....a-....-...

Sausages or cheese?
[ Parent ]
The 4th meta? (5.00 / 1) (#95)
by Hillgiant on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 09:53:39 AM EST

Why that would be met4, now wouldn't it.

I switched the glasses while you weren't looking!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....urk!

-----
"It is impossible to say what I mean." -johnny
[ Parent ]

You're telling me (none / 0) (#84)
by pin0cchio on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 08:41:10 AM EST

We're nothing but puppets..puppets you hear me!

Puppet? Me? pin0cchio? No way!


lj65
[ Parent ]
egads (3.66 / 3) (#50)
by fink on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 02:19:09 AM EST

Here I was, thinking Rusty was playing April Fools' with me. Then, I go to Metafilter, and what do I see? Met4filter.

This is beginning to look less and less like a practical joke, and more and more like the real thing.

Meep?



Meep. (none / 0) (#116)
by fink on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 07:39:50 PM EST

Rusty, you're officially a capital-B Bastard. ~grins~ Well done.

I've been had, as have a few others. :-)

----
[ Parent ]

Synergy and ugly web pages (3.00 / 1) (#51)
by delmoi on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 02:51:57 AM EST

Actualy, asside from Rusy's psudomarket speak, that dosn't actualy sound like that bad of an idea. Honestly the met4filter layout isn't that bad, and in some ways an improvement over the old one... and scoop really would be a huge improvement over the current interface.
--
"'argumentation' is not a word, idiot." -- thelizman
Well (3.50 / 2) (#54)
by tokage on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 03:12:28 AM EST

It sounds fine to me. I've always felt like MLP never really fit on the site particularly well, but k5 has mutated quite a bit from what it used to be. Oh, progressively evolved, sorry..into new e-commerce marketplaces..synergistically embracing global infrastructure vision. *cough* sorry. Anyway, congrats. If nothing else, I now know about yet another site to mindlessly click, drooling on myself, while I waste away my life at work. We're going to need a seperate site for meta meta discussions as well.

I have an idea for a new discussion site using scoop to add to the k5 community. One that will discuss technology and culture, instead of you know, solely politics. We could name it therealkuro5hin.org & make people take political orientation tests before they can create an account. No republicans or communists. We should make them join the Patriot registration initiative. Weed out the bad elements, like.

Pretending there is something left

is like pretending there was anything at all. - Angela Smith
Zig (4.00 / 2) (#55)
by duxup on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 03:12:36 AM EST

Sorry rusty. This is not better than zig.

On my Amazon wishlist... (4.60 / 5) (#56)
by Sunir on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 03:39:30 AM EST

kuro5hin? met4filter? What about autopr0n? Now that I'd subscribe for.

Say, do you think Bruce Sterling would read autopr0n too?

"Look! You're free! Go, and be free!" and everyone hated it for that. --r

But what are 3, 2, and 1? (none / 0) (#75)
by wiredog on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 08:00:42 AM EST

Huh?

Peoples Front To Reunite Gondwanaland: "Stop the Laurasian Separatist Movement!"
[ Parent ]
To lift a comment... (none / 0) (#96)
by Rand Race on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 09:55:03 AM EST

... off of M4: St1leproject?


"Question with boldness even the existence of God; because if there be one, He must approve the homage of Reason rather than that of blindfolded Fear." - Thomas Jefferson
[ Parent ]

Ad3quacy (nt) (5.00 / 1) (#108)
by damiam on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 11:31:23 AM EST



[ Parent ]
dmo2 (nt) (none / 0) (#112)
by Happy Monkey on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 12:43:30 PM EST


___
Length 17, Width 3
[ Parent ]
s1ashdot [nt] (none / 0) (#114)
by hotseat on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 05:26:59 PM EST



[ Parent ]
adv0gato (none / 0) (#117)
by Ricdude on Thu Apr 04, 2002 at 04:08:06 PM EST



[ Parent ]
Hold on just a minute. (4.75 / 4) (#57)
by nr0mx on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 03:44:07 AM EST

What if my nick is already used up on the other site ?

Chaos will prevail.

I would guess... (none / 0) (#104)
by mauftarkie on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 10:48:47 AM EST

... lower uid wins.

--
Without you I'm one step closer to happiness without violence.
Without you I'm one step closer to innocence without consequence.


[ Parent ]
Company that wishes to remain anonymous for now (3.33 / 3) (#65)
by duxup on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 05:45:17 AM EST

If indeed K5 is now receiving financial support by an anonymous company my inclination to remain a subscriber takes a turn for the "heck no". While I do not believe K5 is or is going to be rolling in the $, I also do not like to be giving money to a site who's main financial backers I know nothing about.

Subscriptions (none / 0) (#68)
by driph on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 06:42:59 AM EST

First of all, the company supporting K5CN is definately one of the Good Guys. No slightly shifty Andover/OSDN goings on here. Think of the financial backer as more of an incubator for net community. They've gotten a lot from all of us in this arena, now they've decided to give back.

Regardless of all that, in the end all income based on Kuro5hin subscribers, textads, etc is still K5 income. We're not sending anyone's money upstream. :]

--
Vegas isn't a liberal stronghold. It's the place where the rich and powerful gamble away their company's pension fund and strangle call girls in their hotel rooms. - Psycho Dave
[ Parent ]

Cool. (none / 0) (#67)
by m0rzo on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 06:09:37 AM EST

Well, if this isn't an April Fools joke, I congragulate you. I reckon the business opportunities for such a merger are plentiful. However, if this is a joke, it's a pretty shit one. Jokes are meant to be funny.

Whatever, a pretty bad day to announce it. If this is real, why couldn't you have waited till tomorrow?


My last sig was just plain offensive.

Finaly. (none / 0) (#69)
by Faux Pseudo on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 06:54:56 AM EST

I have been hitting MeFi for months trying the new user button hoping in vain that I would finaly get to have a chance to post. Now if this is not a A1 joke I will finaly have my chance. I love MeFi and am really hopeing that this is all true and more people can contribute to it.
GUI's are like dipers. Everyone growes out of them.
If you haven't already... (none / 0) (#70)
by Faux Pseudo on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 07:17:33 AM EST

If you think there is even the slightest bit of truth to this story you had better head over to google and grab a cache of MeFi before the famous blue screen is gone for good.
GUI's are like dipers. Everyone growes out of them.
So Stupid (4.66 / 3) (#72)
by premier on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 07:21:05 AM EST

What kind of idiot would Rusty have to be to make a dramatic site news announcement at nearly the stroke of midnight beginning April Fools' Day.

Think about it people...

So wait ... (4.75 / 4) (#73)
by Kellnerin on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 07:56:51 AM EST

Matt Haughey is the tourist? Or is he that slug creature? (And shouldn't that be b3ta.K5.org ...?)

--sometimes you pick your gods, sometimes the gods pick you -odin--
slug creature? (none / 0) (#98)
by wiredog on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 10:15:56 AM EST

I thought that was Rusty's schlong...

Peoples Front To Reunite Gondwanaland: "Stop the Laurasian Separatist Movement!"
[ Parent ]
I like it (none / 0) (#74)
by pyramid termite on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 07:58:08 AM EST

Metefilter hasn't been something I've looked at much because the lack of threading in comments is confusing - hopefully, the powers that be will correct that. You are correct that MLP probably would work better there.
On the Internet, anyone can accuse you of being a dog.
AOL/TW/K5 (5.00 / 4) (#76)
by wiredog on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 08:05:04 AM EST

Seriously! They have a secret admirer, err, backer, who Gets the NEt. And who Gets the Net better than the people who created the Online World As We Know It? AOL!

Peoples Front To Reunite Gondwanaland: "Stop the Laurasian Separatist Movement!"
M4 (5.00 / 2) (#77)
by wiredog on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 08:15:16 AM EST

Isn't that a freeway in the UK? What use is an English road to Rusty? Is this part of his plan for World Domination?

Peoples Front To Reunite Gondwanaland: "Stop the Laurasian Separatist Movement!"
M4 (5.00 / 1) (#111)
by vectro on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 12:26:47 PM EST

No, it's a macro processor.

“The problem with that definition is just that it's bullshit.” -- localroger
[ Parent ]
No, no, no (5.00 / 1) (#115)
by Mr.Mustard on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 06:34:44 PM EST

It's an assault rifle.

Mr.Mustard [ fnord ]
[ Parent ]

Submitted to slashdot... (4.75 / 4) (#78)
by wiredog on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 08:16:33 AM EST

Let's see if they catch the misspelling...

Koru5hin Goes Big Time!

The Register comes the news that Kuro5hin.org has bought out Metafilter, henceforth to be known as M4! According to the Benevolent Dictator of K5, he got money to do this from "a company that wishes to remain anonymous".

Peoples Front To Reunite Gondwanaland: "Stop the Laurasian Separatist Movement!"

stupid like a fox! (nt) (none / 0) (#80)
by ajf on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 08:18:22 AM EST



"I have no idea if it is true or not, but given what you read on the Web, it seems to be a valid concern." -jjayson
[ Parent ]
We were trolled by the master (none / 0) (#81)
by eviltwin on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 08:29:12 AM EST

From met4filter.org


Metafilter taken over by kuo5hin? April fool, everyone. posted by Cobbler at 3:11 AM PST (2 comments total)

He got us .

All generalisations are false, including this one.
And then.. (none / 0) (#88)
by driph on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 08:58:53 AM EST

In that same thread, by the same author:
Whoops. Serves me right for not checking March 31st when suspecting an April 1st joke. posted by Cobbler at 3:23 AM PST on April 1
Also read this.

--
Vegas isn't a liberal stronghold. It's the place where the rich and powerful gamble away their company's pension fund and strangle call girls in their hotel rooms. - Psycho Dave
[ Parent ]
But also (none / 0) (#89)
by xvathojn on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 09:02:25 AM EST

M4 is not registered to Rusty, it is registered to Matt Haughey.



[ Parent ]
Re: met4filter.org domain name (none / 0) (#91)
by driph on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 09:17:46 AM EST

Yeah, Matt registered the domain as a placeholder last week for the scoop site that will eventually go there. Then, kind of as a joke, he took the K5 look and merged it with Mefi. Then, when rusty posted the announcement last night, he went ahead and brought everything live using the mefi backend.

I'm not sure 'who' officially owns the domain names right now, and if that will be changing. That's up to matt and rusty. I just work here. :]

--
Vegas isn't a liberal stronghold. It's the place where the rich and powerful gamble away their company's pension fund and strangle call girls in their hotel rooms. - Psycho Dave
[ Parent ]

troll. (3.00 / 2) (#83)
by perdida on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 08:38:27 AM EST

HAHAHA, Met4filter, k5cn. Cute.
The most adequate archive on the Internet.
I can't shit a hydrogen fuel cell car. -eeee
Aagh! (none / 0) (#94)
by jacoplane on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 09:53:22 AM EST

What's the deal with IIS & W2K

Apache...? (5.00 / 1) (#109)
by J'raxis on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 11:57:38 AM EST

Maybe he hacked Apache to make it look like that.

— The Raxis

[ J’raxis·Com | Liberty in your lifetime ]
[ Parent ]

Problem? (none / 0) (#113)
by Silent Chris on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 03:18:32 PM EST

Would it be a problem if it was? "Argh?" It's only a web server man, get a grip. :)

[ Parent ]
My prediction (5.00 / 1) (#97)
by dennis on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 09:57:21 AM EST

Up until now:

Resection to MLP!

Ok.

From now on:

Post this on M4!

I don't have an account there. I don't want to bother/I can't sign on because membership is closed again.

Oh. Damn. I like this one. Heck, I vote +1.

-1, should be a diary. (5.00 / 3) (#99)
by mrgoat on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 10:18:49 AM EST

Jokes like this one belong in the <ahem>diary section ghetto</ahem>, if I may use your phrase. I'm going to vote this down. *looks for voting button*

Oh damnit.

"I'm having sex right now?" - Joh3n
--Top Hat--

Bad form, rusty (5.00 / 5) (#100)
by President Steve Elvis America on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 10:24:47 AM EST

Even though it's a joke, you should have let the rumors fly around to see what happened. It could have even made zdnet or something. Even better, it would have made slashdot and then they would come out looking stupid after posting an article about it. Maybe you can get Jon Katz to write an article for kuro5hin?

Sincerely,

Mr. President Dr. Steve Elvis America

Comments (3.66 / 3) (#102)
by rusty on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 10:34:46 AM EST

I didn't want to have to respond to comments and pretend I wasn't on IRC all day long. :-)

____
Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]
And then ... (5.00 / 3) (#101)
by jacob on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 10:27:38 AM EST

Update [2002-4-1 10:8:22 by rusty]: True? No, of course not. :-)

Ooh, damn you, rusty! You got me again!

Actually, I kinda liked the idea of melding K5 and MeFi. Sniff, sniff ... :(



--
"it's not rocket science" right right insofar as rocket science is boring

--Iced_Up

Does this mean (none / 0) (#105)
by wiredog on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 10:55:47 AM EST

No kuro5hin.com, with lots of swag? No k5 t-shirts, bumper stickers, FPS games?

Peoples Front To Reunite Gondwanaland: "Stop the Laurasian Separatist Movement!"
Hmm... (5.00 / 1) (#106)
by The Great Wakka on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 11:14:57 AM EST

I know it's not real, but it's a really good idea. Try this for real one day, perhaps?

elsewhere (4.00 / 5) (#107)
by shoesfullofdust on Mon Apr 01, 2002 at 11:30:45 AM EST

For today's other big merger go check the dmoz site.

That's right ...welcome to the Microsoft Directory Project, copyright Bill Gates. I almost choked to death on my morning coffee when I saw that. Took a minute to remember what day it was. Fool.


- sig file not available
Funny thing about April Fool's ... (none / 0) (#118)
by Rizzen on Sat Apr 06, 2002 at 01:07:31 PM EST

It doesn't actually start until April First. This was posted March 31st. No wonder it caught so many people with their pants down. :)

The years of peak mental activity are undoubtedly those between the ages of 4 and 18. At age four, we know all the questions; at eighteen, all the answers.
Funny thing about time zones... (5.00 / 1) (#119)
by rusty on Sat Apr 06, 2002 at 02:04:43 PM EST

I gave up trying to make April Fools jokes fit into every time zone in the world. This was posted at 12:50 AM EST, which, as we all know, is the only time zone that really matters. ;-)

____
Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]
I guess that's what I get for not logging in (none / 0) (#120)
by gauze on Sat Apr 06, 2002 at 10:20:44 PM EST

for a while.

I just got the link to new site news at the top of my page and clicked it, didn't notice the date.

d'oh
There's nothing wrong with a PC that a little UNIX won't cure.
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