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I, for one, welcome our new Google overlords

By rusty in Site News
Wed Nov 05, 2003 at 11:24:31 PM EST
Tags: Kuro5hin.org (all tags)
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Just a note about the new story ads. I used to have a "default" story ad in the rotation, padding out the paid ad impressions so they didn't all run through in a day. You know, "Advertise here...". You've all seen it a billion times. I decided that was kind of silly, and also noticed the fact that there are, right now, no user-submitted story page ads in rotation. So I set up an account with Google's adsense, and those will now be the "default" ads. You can still buy story ads, and they'll show up like they used to, but when there aren't any, Google's adsense ads will run instead. They're not very different from what we already had so it shouldn't be a huge shock. I just thought I should mention it. The index page ads are unaffected.


All the placement options you had before for story ads still work. You can put them on the left of the story or the right, or in the right column or below the story text. You can still turn them off if you're a subscriber. Unfortunately, you can't comment on them, but you'll have to take that up with Google.

Story ads will also no longer show up in the voting queue, since the Google AI can't log in to read the story and select appropriate advertising for it. So the biggest change is ads on fewer pages I guess.

Any display problems or bugs, let me know.

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I, for one, welcome our new Google overlords | 76 comments (76 topical, editorial, 7 hidden)
Just one gripe (2.33 / 6) (#1)
by cbraga on Wed Nov 05, 2003 at 11:29:05 PM EST

I set mine to show on the side bar and Google's take a lot of vertical space, so I'm setting them back to the story body which bother me a bit. Perhaps Google can display them in a 2x2 matrix?

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The choices (3.00 / 4) (#2)
by rusty on Wed Nov 05, 2003 at 11:33:40 PM EST

These are the choices we've got. I wish there was a better size for the right bar too, but I don't think there is. The inline rectangle would push it all out wide.

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]
Any way (none / 2) (#5)
by ZorbaTHut on Wed Nov 05, 2003 at 11:57:56 PM EST

you can ask Google for a custom style? They've always seemed like pretty cool people, and they might really like having ads on K5. Couldn't hurt, at least.

I'm irritated by the enormously gigantic bar too ;)

[ Parent ]

I can give it a shot (none / 1) (#7)
by rusty on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 12:11:29 AM EST

I'm not altogether clear on why they have only four ad styles to begin with. I mean, it seems like the more the merrier doesn't it? I know I've got a contact email buried in my archive somewhere, I'll try them out. Given the latency of my past communications with them, I wouldn't expect it any time soon.

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]
adsense (none / 0) (#37)
by kpaul on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 12:31:58 PM EST

if you have over 20 million page views a month they'll work out special deals with you, i think...YMMV


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[ Parent ]

suggestion (none / 1) (#14)
by scanman on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 01:13:33 AM EST

Put the "inline rectangle" to the left of the "voting record" box and above the view/display/sort/etc. bar.

It wouldn't look exactly like a story ad, but at least it wouldn't make me scroll through 2 blank screens just to get to the comments

"[You are] a narrow-minded moron [and] a complete loser." - David Quartz
"scanman: The moron." - ucblockhead
"I prefer the term 'lifeskills impaired'" - Inoshiro

[ Parent ]

You can do that (none / 2) (#31)
by rusty on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 08:21:19 AM EST

Go to "Display Preferences", and choose the story ad placement "Below story." That puts a small horizontal-banner-size box below the story text, which would have the same effect.

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]
You should take a page out of Jeff Covey's book (1.60 / 15) (#4)
by rmg on Wed Nov 05, 2003 at 11:54:45 PM EST

I mean really, who cares about your users, am I right? The best placement for ads is right in the middle of the comment search pages or as page breaks halfway through stories. The latter might be rough on MLP submissions, but that content-free garbage hardly deserves the exposure it gets.

You have already pioneered new advertising strategies with your recent co-op with salon. Maybe you should consider going the extra mile and implementing their advertising practices directly on this site. A quick flash ad between page loads would certainly boost profits and add to the old CMF war chest. It would also have the useful side effect of chasing off all those weirdos who take this place up as a permanent residence. You know the kind, I'm sure, just by looking at the logs. Most of the pages served around here are requested by a small core of dedicated mouthbreathers this site would likely be better off without -- better still! they will be forced to subscribe. Then again, most probably already do: what better indicator of mouthbreathing is there than a K5 subscription?

Anyway, good to see you have found better ways to make money than selling (or rather trying to sell) duxup shirts.

PS: When will this Presidential Campaign news site of yours be operational? I need an outlet to express my anarcho-socialist, anti-abortion, Randian environmentalist, anti-immigration, pro-gun, pro-war, supply side fiscal conservative political views, with emphasis on my involvement with the Islamic Balkan Homeland lobby.

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jesus christ (1.14 / 14) (#17)
by Niqht In White Satin8 on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 01:28:54 AM EST

omg. why the fuck won't you talk to me anymore?
Why did rusty take away my story writing/diary writing privilege for no legitimate reason?
[ Parent ]
Superstar (1.75 / 8) (#26)
by Stick on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 03:58:39 AM EST




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Stick, thine posts bring light to mine eyes, tingles to my loins. Yea, each moment I sit, my monitor before me, waiting, yearning, needing your prose to make the moment complete. - Joh3n
[ Parent ]
You know (2.81 / 11) (#9)
by TheModerate on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 12:53:31 AM EST

When there are no ads in the queue, it wouldn't hurt to have no ad on that page, would it?

"What a man has in himself is, then, the chief element in his happiness." -- Schopenhauer

sellout [nt] (1.26 / 19) (#10)
by Dirty Sanchez on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 12:53:40 AM EST



Heh, thanks Rusty! (2.27 / 11) (#11)
by Kasreyn on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 12:57:40 AM EST

My http proxy couldn't edit out the textads without some intricate rule-writing which I was too lazy to do, but it nails Google's ads without breaking a sweat.

[happy]


-Kasreyn


"Extenuating circumstance to be mentioned on Judgement Day:
We never asked to be born in the first place."

R.I.P. Kurt. You will be missed.
Oh my fuck. (1.57 / 14) (#19)
by jjayson on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 01:37:55 AM EST

Some idiot actually cares enough to filter out text ads? That's pathetic.
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[ Parent ]
Actually, (2.14 / 7) (#20)
by Kasreyn on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 02:35:09 AM EST

I specifically said I didn't filter them out because I was too lazy (ie., didn't care enough). :-P

I guess if you meant, by the theory that all things imply their opposites, that my uncaring attitude necessarily implies that somewhere out there is someone who DOES care, then you may very well be right!


-Kasreyn


"Extenuating circumstance to be mentioned on Judgement Day:
We never asked to be born in the first place."

R.I.P. Kurt. You will be missed.
[ Parent ]
I guess you don't care that Ruston has to eat [nt] (1.85 / 7) (#25)
by Stick on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 03:57:24 AM EST




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Stick, thine posts bring light to mine eyes, tingles to my loins. Yea, each moment I sit, my monitor before me, waiting, yearning, needing your prose to make the moment complete. - Joh3n
[ Parent ]
But's a proxy, so he still downloads them.. (none / 0) (#57)
by geekmug on Fri Nov 07, 2003 at 09:27:11 PM EST

And I am sure he wouldn't have clicked on them if they were there.

-- Why reinvent the square wheel?
[ Parent ]
ick those are some TALL ads... (2.87 / 8) (#13)
by pb on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 01:09:02 AM EST

Example:
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...or something like that. Again, rusty... an ok idea in theory, but lousy in practice; -1.
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-- pwhysall
I think they look better [nt] (none / 2) (#24)
by Stick on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 03:55:38 AM EST




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Stick, thine posts bring light to mine eyes, tingles to my loins. Yea, each moment I sit, my monitor before me, waiting, yearning, needing your prose to make the moment complete. - Joh3n
[ Parent ]
wow an #13 is first rated... (none / 1) (#65)
by johwsun on Wed Nov 12, 2003 at 04:44:21 AM EST



[ Parent ]
not it is not! ;-) (none / 1) (#67)
by johwsun on Wed Nov 12, 2003 at 04:48:19 AM EST



[ Parent ]
WHAT!?!?!?!? (1.33 / 6) (#16)
by pyramid termite on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 01:28:04 AM EST

You would defile our wonderfully intellectually stimulating web site with commercial hustling all for the sake of filthy lucre?

Oh, well, whatever.

On the Internet, anyone can accuse you of being a dog.
Think of the kittens (1.75 / 3) (#23)
by Stick on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 03:55:05 AM EST

They need a new swimming pool to drink from. The old one is empty.


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Stick, thine posts bring light to mine eyes, tingles to my loins. Yea, each moment I sit, my monitor before me, waiting, yearning, needing your prose to make the moment complete. - Joh3n
[ Parent ]
Put it on the set of Matrix Revolutions (none / 2) (#30)
by jt on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 06:45:32 AM EST

It should fill with water in no time.

[ Parent ]
Not Really (none / 0) (#76)
by ravee2005 on Wed Apr 06, 2005 at 02:32:42 AM EST

Actually that is a wonderful thing that the author has done. This makes it viable to run a site as it gives some income for all the efforts and the money pumped into this.

[ Parent ]
Scrollbars all across the page (none / 3) (#21)
by gokul on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 03:29:09 AM EST

The earlier text ads used to warp around nicely, therefore being quite unobtrusive. Now the google ads are causing scrollbars to appear.

get a real browser [nt] (none / 0) (#74)
by kubalaa on Sun Nov 30, 2003 at 02:22:05 AM EST



[ Parent ]
Why isn't there any in this story Lord Ruston? (1.62 / 8) (#22)
by Stick on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 03:43:31 AM EST

Also, be prepared for me to abuse the content targeted ads system to get a goatse.cx link up there.


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Stick, thine posts bring light to mine eyes, tingles to my loins. Yea, each moment I sit, my monitor before me, waiting, yearning, needing your prose to make the moment complete. - Joh3n
Adsense (2.40 / 5) (#28)
by enfilade on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 04:49:04 AM EST

It seems to be pretty spot on.

For example, in this story about genetic engineering it has an IVF ad.

And in this highbrow physics article, an ad for "astral projection".

Best of all, in this news article about Russian child alcoholics, it's trying to sell rehab programs. Talk about targeted marketing!

I like the idea (1.80 / 5) (#29)
by l3nz on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 05:16:58 AM EST

I think it's useful, and I think I can stand the vertically elongated ads if it's useful to support K5. I wonder (and would be very interested in it) if the earned CPM rate will be competitive with the one K5 is actually offering or what.

Popk ToDo lists - yet another web-based ToDo list manager. 100% AJAX free :-)

against Google's TOS to talk about CPC averages... (none / 1) (#58)
by kpaul on Fri Nov 07, 2003 at 11:19:43 PM EST

etc. the TOS is pretty strict unless you're dishing out more than 20 million pageviews a month. still, it's one of the best advertising models i've seen in a long, long (internet) time.


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[ Parent ]

I believe this (none / 0) (#64)
by l3nz on Tue Nov 11, 2003 at 08:32:05 AM EST

Because everyone is using it. Still, I guess the earnings will be posted as I guess CMF balance sheets will be more or less public, so I think we could have a rough guess. :-)

Popk ToDo lists - yet another web-based ToDo list manager. 100% AJAX free :-)
[ Parent ]

Another shameless cash grab by the league leader (1.85 / 14) (#32)
by Tex Bigballs on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 09:12:43 AM EST

the new google ads are an eyesore, especially at my monitor at work where I am forced to browse 800x600. The new ads take up just as much screen real estate as anything slashdot does. At lower resolutions, it doesn't matter if it's flash animations or just text because every square inch is precious.

Thankfully I am a premium subscriber, though if I weren't I would be most surely be looking at the proxomitron install screen right now.

By the way, why the hell do the ads say "Ads by google" Who the hell cares who the ads are by, it's not like it's a political advertisement. It's not like after a Ford commercial you see "Ad by [some Madison Avenue firm]"

Fuck google

Why? (none / 1) (#38)
by Run4YourLives on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 12:45:19 PM EST

Google probably demands it that's why.

It's slightly Japanese, but without all of that fanatical devotion to the workplace. - CheeseburgerBrown
[ Parent ]
competitors with lower (or no) standards (none / 1) (#53)
by ebonkyre on Fri Nov 07, 2003 at 05:09:37 PM EST

I've seen a lot of ads lately that look identical to the Google ads but are mostly hawking spam-type products, rubber-stamp Rx pharms, and 20 different fraudulent "100% Legal MP3 download" sites that charge you $30 for "unlimited downloads" but are just scamming you for a copy of KaZaA and telling you that it's legal because you paid them for it.  Sprinks in particular seems to have at least of one these bogus products in each group of 3 they run on MSNBC.

The "Ads by Google" may be an attempt to differential between their ads and the knock-offs shilling bogus wares.  Also, just ol' plain brand recognition.


The truth hurts sometimes... Nothing beats a nice fat cock. ShiftyStoner
[ Parent ]

Yeah right (none / 1) (#54)
by Tex Bigballs on Fri Nov 07, 2003 at 06:14:50 PM EST

as if anyone stupid enough to get duped by that shit would be intelligent enough to figure out that the copycat ads were not "Ads by google"

As you said, google just has a hardon for themselves and if they can get a free "meta-ad" out of their ads, then of course they'll jump at the chance.

[ Parent ]

Well, like "duh!" - - Dude! (none / 0) (#59)
by Pop Top on Sat Nov 08, 2003 at 10:20:58 AM EST

As you said, google just has a hardon for themselves and if they can get a free "meta-ad" out of their ads, then of course they'll jump at the chance

Of course this is the answer. Is the Pope Catholic or what?

[ Parent ]

fuck these stupid ads. (2.05 / 18) (#35)
by Run4YourLives on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 11:52:39 AM EST

How about taking Voxel's OFF until they can keep this site operational for more than 6 hours at a time.

It's slightly Japanese, but without all of that fanatical devotion to the workplace. - CheeseburgerBrown
Yeah (1.00 / 6) (#39)
by LookingGlass on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 01:54:42 PM EST

You tell 'em tiger.

Grrrrrrrr

Just one question: (1.33 / 9) (#42)
by Trollaxor on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 05:56:43 PM EST

What does this have to do with nature?

Huh (3.00 / 7) (#43)
by DesiredUsername on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 07:07:22 PM EST

Cool - 4 votes
Ok - 12 votes
Meh - 7 votes
Boo - 1 vote
E-vil - 2 votes

173 Total Votes

Play 囲碁

Oi vey! (none / 3) (#49)
by wiredog on Fri Nov 07, 2003 at 08:39:10 AM EST

Cool 10 votes - 4 %
Ok 27 votes - 12 %
Meh 20 votes - 9 %
Boo 9 votes - 4 %
E-vil 4 votes - 1 %

217 Total votes.

Wilford Brimley scares my chickens.
Phil the Canuck

[ Parent ]

My fault. (none / 3) (#52)
by driph on Fri Nov 07, 2003 at 01:18:08 PM EST

I corrected a misspelling in the story and it killed the poll.

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Vegas isn't a liberal stronghold. It's the place where the rich and powerful gamble away their company's pension fund and strangle call girls in their hotel rooms. - Psycho Dave
[ Parent ]
poll history (none / 1) (#66)
by johwsun on Wed Nov 12, 2003 at 04:46:47 AM EST

Google ads?  

Cool    26 votes - 8 %  
Ok    56 votes - 18 %  
Meh    46 votes - 15 %  
Boo    15 votes - 4 %  
E-vil    15 votes - 4 %  

305 Total Votes

[ Parent ]

Can't resize article? (none / 1) (#45)
by kesuari on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 07:41:27 PM EST

When did the article become unresizeable (i.e. creating a horizontal scrollbar when I shrink my window)? Has that always been the case?

Umm.. Pardon me (none / 0) (#46)
by kesuari on Thu Nov 06, 2003 at 07:43:06 PM EST

Pardon me, it seems my browser is buggy, because it's suddenly resizeable again.

[ Parent ]
collapsible Hotlist?? [o/t] (none / 1) (#56)
by neetij on Fri Nov 07, 2003 at 08:38:42 PM EST

is there an option for a collapsible hotlist?? the more stories i 'save' the longer the list is - which is quite cumbersome. i'd prefer the list to remain in my kuro5hin account rather than save them as bookmarks.

You can remove them (none / 1) (#62)
by rusty on Sun Nov 09, 2003 at 10:13:47 PM EST

Right now all you can do is remove them when you don't need to track them anymore. Just click the minus icon next to the link, or on the page of the story itself. It would probably be possible to make hotlists with some sort of "archive this" feature, but would that actually be useful? I guess it depends how you use it. I'd always envisioned it as an easy way to track active discussions, rather than a bookmark replacement tool. Maybe the best way would be another list, called, like, "bookmarks". When a discussion grows cold, you could move the link to bookmarks, if you wanted to just keep it around for future reference. Though browsers do have that feature with a lot more bells and whistles already...

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]
Bend over... (1.66 / 6) (#60)
by NightInWhiteSatin22091955 on Sun Nov 09, 2003 at 10:05:26 AM EST

and prepare to take it in the ass from teh big G.



What? (none / 1) (#63)
by Protagonist on Tue Nov 11, 2003 at 08:24:02 AM EST

I don't see what the problem is here. Google has a fairly strict policy which disallows any form of encouragement to click on the ads. (Such as saying "please click on the ads".) This site clearly violated the policy, so their account was terminated. What's the big deal?

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[ Parent ]
Really? (none / 1) (#68)
by acceleriter on Wed Nov 12, 2003 at 07:40:06 PM EST

The terms are here. I read the applicable paragraph, and found no prohibition on encouraging clicking of the ads--unless Google is taking the entirely unreasonable tack that "encouraged" clicks are fraudulent.

[ Parent ]
Yes, really. (none / 1) (#69)
by Protagonist on Fri Nov 14, 2003 at 03:34:55 PM EST

From the terms:

You shall not [...] act in any way that violates any Program policies posted on the Google Web Site, as revised from time to time.

From the policies:

Web pages may not include incentives of any kind for users to click on ads. This includes labeling the ads as sponsors as well as asking users to click on the ads or to please visit the sites.

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Hahah! Your ferris-wheel attack is as pathetic and ineffective as your system of government!
[ Parent ]

Fair enough. (none / 0) (#70)
by acceleriter on Sat Nov 15, 2003 at 10:04:47 AM EST

They hid the "policies" by incorporating them by reference. So they upheld the letter of the agreement, but the agreement itself is unconscionable.

[ Parent ]
Yes, fair (none / 0) (#71)
by Protagonist on Sat Nov 15, 2003 at 10:13:00 AM EST

Actually I think the policies are an attempt to make the most important rules clearer, because they know most people won't bother to read the full terms. The policies are very prominently linked from the info pages.

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Hahah! Your ferris-wheel attack is as pathetic and ineffective as your system of government!
[ Parent ]
Blocking Google ads (none / 3) (#72)
by FattMattP on Sun Nov 16, 2003 at 12:12:28 PM EST

You can block the Google ads by adding the following to your hosts file:

0.0.0.0 pagead2.googlesyndication.com



YHBT. YHL. HAND. (none / 2) (#73)
by streetcornerhorse on Sat Nov 29, 2003 at 10:52:15 AM EST

[en tea]
YHBT. YHL. HAND.
so you sold us out again (none / 0) (#75)
by stilch on Fri Mar 26, 2004 at 05:02:50 PM EST

by selling us out to google. You suck.

I, for one, welcome our new Google overlords | 76 comments (76 topical, 0 editorial, 7 hidden)
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