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We're (mostly) back

By rusty in Site News
Tue Jul 08, 2003 at 11:46:47 PM EST
Tags: Kuro5hin.org (all tags)
Kuro5hin.org

The vacation day was pretty productive. Much nerdly info below.


I completely rewrote the code that moves stuff into the archive, which allowed me to move the archive date up to about nine months ago. Stuff older than that is all now archived. This moved over 48,000 stories and some unholy number of comments out of the active database, which ought to help with the speed a lot. More importantly, it means the archive can keep up day-to-day, so it might be a little while before the next collapse.

I do have to admit that I screwed up a little in an intermediary attempt at the archive fix, and managed to lose some stuff. I had to recover from a backup made yesterday afternoon, and the site was up for a fairly brief period after that backup, so there may be a few comments lost. If you're missing something you managed to post through all the trouble yesterday, I'm really sorry. I hate when that happens. It shouldn't be very much stuff though.

We're still running on one Scoop server, the other being live but lacking ssh access. I need to get into it and restart Apache before it will come back into the pool, and that will require someone at the colo to walk up to it and start sshd. It certainly ought to be back up in the next day or so at most, and I'm hoping the freshly-scrubbed database can help make up for it till then.

Update [2003-7-9 19:0:16 by rusty]: The other Scoop box is back up, so we have returned to full power. Thanks Voxel!

In other news, I'll have the K5 store up for real tomorrow, if there aren't any more fires to put out. The shirts are in stock at Jinx, and they look pretty good.

So what did you do on your day off?

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It's time you admit that Open Sores software... (4.62 / 16) (#1)
by Steve Ballmer on Tue Jul 08, 2003 at 11:51:47 PM EST

... isn't up to the task of running this site.

I'm prepared to offer you a generous 5% discount on any Microsoft title you need for your migration effort.

Aw, thanks Steve (5.00 / 6) (#2)
by rusty on Tue Jul 08, 2003 at 11:54:41 PM EST

What would we do without you? :-)

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]
It's Clockwork Baby!!!!! (5.00 / 1) (#4)
by leviramsey on Tue Jul 08, 2003 at 11:58:46 PM EST

(Said in a the voice of a bad Dick Vitale impersonator)



[ Parent ]
Open Sores (5.00 / 1) (#13)
by evilpenguin on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 12:11:02 AM EST

I demand you retract that statement or face litigation.
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# nohup cat /dev/dsp > /dev/hda & killall -9 getty
[ Parent ]
SCO... (5.00 / 2) (#27)
by leviramsey on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 12:36:41 AM EST

...has trademarked the term "open sores" in relation to computer software.



[ Parent ]
wait a minute.... (5.00 / 3) (#31)
by rmg on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 12:55:45 AM EST

what does SCO stand for?

_____ intellectual tiddlywinks
[ Parent ]

Scabs Crusting Over -nt (5.00 / 6) (#38)
by Work on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 01:32:32 AM EST

nt

[ Parent ]
Well (2.33 / 6) (#33)
by Silent Chris on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 01:05:12 AM EST

At least with a software vendor you have someone to call up and bitch to if something goes wrong.  With Linux, well, I guess you could call Linus and complain, but he'd probably tell you "You're an asshole" (which he seems to tell everybody).  Then somebody would say "Look at the how-to" or "Man pages are your friend", even though both were written about 5-7 years ago in most cases.

[ Parent ]
But with free software you can bitch for free! (5.00 / 2) (#148)
by dark on Thu Jul 10, 2003 at 07:23:50 AM EST

Nearly every free software projects has one or more mailing lists where you can go and bitch about it, plus there's always slashdot. Proprietary software vendors sometimes set up special phone lines for bitching about their stuff, but they usually want your credit card number. Phone sex lines are cheaper and they'll probably do more good, too.

[ Parent ]
Actually I think it's just MySQL's fault... [nt] (none / 0) (#73)
by tzanger on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 09:00:30 AM EST



[ Parent ]
umm (5.00 / 3) (#3)
by Wah on Tue Jul 08, 2003 at 11:58:28 PM EST

where's the basic Kuro5hin tee?

Nothing says 'well adjusted citizen' like a t-shirt with 'whore' on the front of it.

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Fail to Obey?

Soon (5.00 / 2) (#6)
by rusty on Tue Jul 08, 2003 at 11:59:37 PM EST

There'll be more. Fear not. At least one will be a basic K5 design. We just haven't settled on what it ought to look like yet.

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]
Make it look like the old one (none / 0) (#48)
by Neolith on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 02:55:46 AM EST

Same colors, logo, etc.  I loved that thing.  I'm one of the few (well, not sure about that), the proud, that own one of the originals.

It's worn out now, and I'd love a replacement.  Especially if I could get it in XXL instead of XL, unlike the old one.

[ Parent ]

For those of us (5.00 / 1) (#74)
by tzanger on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 09:05:53 AM EST

Not in school or working in a more relaxed environment, I'd love a K5 golf shirt.  White or cream shirt with the K5 logo in the usual spot.  Nothing else.  

Well maybe

[ l o g o ]   K  u  r  o  5  h  i  n  .  o  r  g
technology and culture, from the trenches

yeah.  That'd be spiff.  Make it $25 or so (I think that's what it'd come out to for a good quality golf shirt) and you're set.

[ Parent ]

Or in K5 blue, actually. (none / 0) (#115)
by Canthros on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 02:30:57 PM EST

The logo would need a white border for that, though.

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It's now obvious you are either A) Gay or B) Female, or possibly both.
RyoCokey
[ Parent ]
How about a fleece? (none / 0) (#118)
by rusty on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 02:44:29 PM EST

I would kinda like one of those. You can never have enough fleece.

I don't think they have any golf shirts right now, but I shall ask.

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]

Oh yeah... (none / 0) (#119)
by feline on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 04:05:17 PM EST

Going to school in C-o-l-d, USA. Would love some non Old-Navy fleece...

[ Parent ]
Hey Cool!! (none / 0) (#131)
by Subtillus on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 07:06:45 PM EST

I live in Canada too!

[ Parent ]
Or just be in white ink... [nt] (none / 0) (#126)
by Happy Monkey on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 05:22:32 PM EST


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Length 17, Width 3
[ Parent ]
A silk-screened golf shirt? (none / 0) (#134)
by Canthros on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 07:44:38 PM EST

That's going to look a little tacky. They usually embroider those things.

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It's now obvious you are either A) Gay or B) Female, or possibly both.
RyoCokey
[ Parent ]
Well yes (none / 0) (#138)
by tzanger on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 08:45:08 PM EST

it would have to be embroidered...  probably three colours: K5 blue, black and some white for details.

That'd be very close to the Benshaw shirts I wear -- Benshaw blue, red, black and a little white.

[ Parent ]

Whoops. Missed "Golf Shirt." (none / 0) (#140)
by Happy Monkey on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 10:48:30 PM EST

Make that white thread.
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Length 17, Width 3
[ Parent ]
I wouldn't wear a k5 blue shirt, sorry. :-) [nt] (none / 0) (#137)
by tzanger on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 08:42:18 PM EST



[ Parent ]
Suggestion (5.00 / 1) (#97)
by yicky yacky on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 11:40:43 AM EST

How about one with just the logo?
No text at all (ok - maybe just a "K5" somewhere if you absolutely had to...) - just the circle and the TN Bridge. Tiny logo on left breast; massive one on the back.

I'd actually part with cash for something like that.




yicky yacky
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'The actual reasonable Britons are correct, you're being a cock.' - Hide The Hamster.
[ Parent ]
out of curiosity (4.75 / 4) (#5)
by demi on Tue Jul 08, 2003 at 11:59:07 PM EST

About how big is the k5 database? Do you think a compressed version would ever be available for download on, say, bittorrent, if the site ran into major problems again?

answers (none / 0) (#40)
by pb on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 01:44:46 AM EST

  • big
  • no
I'm just guessing, from what Rusty has said earlier about distributing CD-ROMs like this. The legalese probably forbids it. Of course, he has my permission.

The only way to really do something like this is to set that up as a goal from the start, or get everyone's permission. Obviously, that second option is a lot tougher.
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"See what the drooling, ravening, flesh-eating hordes^W^W^W^WKuro5hin.org readers have to say."
-- pwhysall
[ Parent ]

More answers (none / 0) (#43)
by rusty on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 01:53:13 AM EST

Answer one is correct. I don't know how big exactly, but pretty big for just text. Interestingly, archiving the first two and a half years worth of stuff means about half of the total stuff it is in the archive. Ah, exponential growth.

As for distributing tarballs or whatever, not the database since there's private stuff in it. But static files of stories could be made downloadable from this domain. That's permitted in the copright. I don't have any redistribution rights besides that though.

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]

okay (4.75 / 4) (#50)
by demi on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 03:06:09 AM EST

I'd just hate to see the content fade into oblivion (or enter the edit queue in the sky, as you put it) because of some technical copyright issues that would not likely be practically enforceable, much less prosecutable. Please don't just delete the old voted-down stories just because they are taking up space. I'm glad that USENET archives survived and I feel the same way about k5's database. There has to be a limit, of course, but surely the site can afford a few extra DATs or hard drives for long-term storage?

[ Parent ]
Copyright confusion (none / 0) (#84)
by ucblockhead on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 10:48:34 AM EST

So does that mean that if I, a user, download content from k5 and that content contents other user comments, I'm breaking the law?

Obviously this isn't an entirely hypothetical question.
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This is k5. We're all tools - duxup
[ Parent ]

Well (5.00 / 1) (#91)
by rusty on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 11:12:25 AM EST

I think technically yes. Comments and stories are posted under the same agreement, which says that the only right granted is the right for K5 to provide the words from this domain. So you don't have any redistribution rights to the stuff that's not your own there.

Practically, I don't think anyone's going to bother you about it. Unless someone was, like, republishing the whole site surrounded by popup ads or something, which obviously you're not.

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]

hey (none / 0) (#93)
by demi on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 11:31:10 AM EST

Did you explain anywhere exactly how to do that, aside from show document source -> copy/paste? I'm very interested in having a similar offsite backup of my diaries.

[ Parent ]
Perl script (none / 0) (#101)
by ucblockhead on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 12:20:26 PM EST

I think I mentioned it in a diary somewhere. Gord knows where. Probably around last October.
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This is k5. We're all tools - duxup
[ Parent ]
So what did you do on your day off? (5.00 / 4) (#7)
by nxor on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 12:00:19 AM EST

I constantly reloaded K5, hoping it would go up before tommorow morning, of course.

That explains something (4.66 / 3) (#60)
by minamikuni on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 04:38:12 AM EST

That 'mild DOS attack' = many many people staring at the Kuro5hin page and pressing the refresh button as fast as they can on the off-chance it might come back up sooner than expected? :)

[ Parent ]
Gah! (5.00 / 2) (#8)
by DrJohnEvans on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 12:01:14 AM EST

And of course today was the day in which there was a K5 story I wanted to reference, a K5 link I found someplace I wanted to follow, a K5 recipe which I wanted to make...

It's not this bad every day. It's not. It can't be.

--
Proud member of the K5 Axis of Evil since 2002.

What did I do on my day off? (5.00 / 5) (#9)
by A Proud American on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 12:08:18 AM EST

I started a COllaborative MEdia FOundation, tentatively named COME-FO.

____________________________
The weak are killed and eaten...


I would suggest (5.00 / 2) (#26)
by leviramsey on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 12:35:17 AM EST

Changing the name to COllaborative MEdia FOundation OnLine, or COME-FOOL...



[ Parent ]
Or (1.00 / 1) (#32)
by Silent Chris on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 01:02:22 AM EST

COllaborative MEdia FOundation OnLine WIth forsigTH and MEaning, or COME-FOOL-WITH-ME, by leviaramsey.

[ Parent ]
you need to learn how to spell forsight (none / 0) (#142)
by Xcyther on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 11:52:57 PM EST



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"Insydious" -- It's not as bad as you think

[ Parent ]
You mean "foresight"? [nt] (5.00 / 1) (#143)
by rusty on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 11:55:54 PM EST



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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]
I reloaded K5 incessantly until now (none / 0) (#10)
by leviramsey on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 12:08:47 AM EST

Actually I didn't... I spent most of the day sleeping and posting my account of the Summer Sanitarium Tour stop in Foxboro to my /. journal.



weirdness in my firewall logs... (5.00 / 1) (#11)
by edward on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 12:10:42 AM EST

someone was probably spoofing their source IP address, but I found
Jul 07 17:37:25.579291 rule 12/0(match): block in on rl0: 207.99.115.72 > 24.80.22.208: icmp: host 192.168.1.103 unreachable [tos 0xc0]
Jul 07 17:37:22.579108 rule 12/0(match): block in on rl0: 207.99.115.72 > 24.80.22.208: icmp: host 192.168.1.103 unreachable [tos 0xc0]
Jul 07 17:37:19.219180 rule 12/0(match): block in on rl0: 207.99.115.72 > 24.80.22.208: icmp: host 192.168.1.103 unreachable [tos 0xc0]
Jul 07 17:37:16.219225 rule 12/0(match): block in on rl0: 207.99.115.72 > 24.80.22.208: icmp: host 192.168.1.103 unreachable [tos 0xc0]
Jul 07 17:37:13.081597 rule 12/0(match): block in on rl0: 207.99.115.72 > 24.80.22.208: icmp: host 192.168.1.103 unreachable [tos 0xc0]
Jul 07 17:37:09.898235 rule 12/0(match): block in on rl0: 207.99.115.72 > 24.80.22.208: icmp: host 192.168.1.103 unreachable [tos 0xc0]
Jul 07 17:37:03.779448 rule 12/0(match): block in on rl0: 207.99.115.72 > 24.80.22.208: icmp: host 192.168.1.103 unreachable [tos 0xc0]
Jul 07 17:37:00.716932 rule 12/0(match): block in on rl0: 207.99.115.72 > 24.80.22.208: icmp: host 192.168.1.103 unreachable [tos 0xc0]
Jul 07 17:36:57.715983 rule 12/0(match): block in on rl0: 207.99.115.72 > 24.80.22.208: icmp: host 192.168.1.103 unreachable [tos 0xc0]
Jul 07 17:36:54.410144 rule 12/0(match): block in on rl0: 207.99.115.72 > 24.80.22.208: icmp: host 192.168.1.103 unreachable [tos 0xc0]
Jul 07 17:36:48.114819 rule 12/0(match): block in on rl0: 207.99.115.72 > 24.80.22.208: icmp: host 192.168.1.103 unreachable [tos 0xc0]

an nmap on that ip results in:
-edward@interface$ nmap 207.99.115.72

Starting nmap 3.28 ( www.insecure.org/nmap/ ) at 2003-07-08 20:58 PDT
Interesting ports on lvs.voxel.net (207.99.115.72):
(The 1636 ports scanned but not shown below are in state: closed)
Port       State       Service

  1. /tcp     open        ftp
  2. /tcp     open        ssh
  3. /tcp     open        http
  4. /tcp    open        https
  5. /tcp  filtered    NetBus
  6. /tcp  filtered    NetBus
  7. /tcp  filtered    Elite
Nmap run completed -- 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 12.146 seconds

the PTR record for that IP points to lvs.voxel.net but lvs.voxel.net doesn't resolve to any ip. www.kuro5hin.org resolves to that ip though.

anyway, someone probably was spoofing the source of those icmp packets, but the only place that a packet with that source should be coming from in this day and age is from behind voxel's borders. might be something to look into, or something.

So, um (5.00 / 1) (#19)
by rusty on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 12:22:06 AM EST

The firewall logs, what are they showing? That looks like our network, sure enough. Weird.

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]
here's an ethereal capture... (none / 0) (#35)
by edward on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 01:16:29 AM EST

well i'm definitely no expert so i don't really know what i'm talking about but, after poking around some RFCs and whatnot, i'd have to suggest one or two possibilities. one is that i attempted to view k5 at a time when a server was down-- probably a server behind a router, and that server has an rfc1918 (private) ip address. in this case, that would be 192.168.1.103. the router (lvs.voxel.net) couldn't find that address/route and sent me back an icmp unreachable message.

that would be my best guess, based on what i've read so far. i just brought it to your attention because i didn't really understand what it was doing in my log and you mentioned somethign about a broken sshd and that usually gets my paranoid haxx0r alarm ringing.

Frame 2111 (116 bytes on wire, 116 bytes captured)
    Arrival Time: Jul  7, 2003 17:36:54.410144000
    Time delta from previous packet: 6.295325000 seconds
    Time relative to first packet: 152722.882893000 seconds
    Frame Number: 2111
    Packet Length: 116 bytes
    Capture Length: 116 bytes
PF Log IPv4 dropped on rl0 by rule 12
    Address Family: IPv4 (2)
    Rule Number: 12
    Interface: rl0
    Reason: match (0)
    Action: dropped (1)
    Direction: in (0)
Internet Protocol, Src Addr: 207.99.115.72 (207.99.115.72), Dst Addr: 24.80.22.208 (24.80.22.208)
    Version: 4
    Header length: 20 bytes
    Differentiated Services Field: 0xc0 (DSCP 0x30: Class Selector 6; ECN: 0x00)
        1100 00.. = Differentiated Services Codepoint: Class Selector 6 (0x30)
        .... ..0. = ECN-Capable Transport (ECT): 0
        .... ...0 = ECN-CE: 0
    Total Length: 88
    Identification: 0x9c34
    Flags: 0x00
        .0.. = Don't fragment: Not set
        ..0. = More fragments: Not set
    Fragment offset: 0
    Time to live: 245
    Protocol: ICMP (0x01)
    Header checksum: 0xb6e4 (correct)
    Source: 207.99.115.72 (207.99.115.72)
    Destination: 24.80.22.208 (24.80.22.208)
Internet Control Message Protocol
    Type: 3 (Destination unreachable)
    Code: 1 (Host unreachable)
    Checksum: 0xee5c (correct)
    Internet Protocol, Src Addr: 24.80.22.208 (24.80.22.208), Dst Addr: 192.168.1.103 (192.168.1.103)
        Version: 4
        Header length: 20 bytes
        Differentiated Services Field: 0x00 (DSCP 0x00: Default; ECN: 0x00)
            0000 00.. = Differentiated Services Codepoint: Default (0x00)
            .... ..0. = ECN-Capable Transport (ECT): 0
            .... ...0 = ECN-CE: 0
        Total Length: 60
        Identification: 0x6d4a
        Flags: 0x04
            .1.. = Don't fragment: Set
            ..0. = More fragments: Not set
        Fragment offset: 0
        Time to live: 52
        Protocol: TCP (0x06)
        Header checksum: 0xe842 (correct)
        Source: 24.80.22.208 (24.80.22.208)
        Destination: 192.168.1.103 (192.168.1.103)
    Transmission Control Protocol, Src Port: 57475 (57475), Dst Port: www (80), Seq: 747253919, Ack: 0, Len: 0
        Source port: 57475 (57475)
        Destination port: www (80)
        Sequence number: 747253919
        Header length: 40 bytes
        Flags: 0x0002 (SYN)
            0... .... = Congestion Window Reduced (CWR): Not set
            .0.. .... = ECN-Echo: Not set
            ..0. .... = Urgent: Not set
            ...0 .... = Acknowledgment: Not set
            .... 0... = Push: Not set
            .... .0.. = Reset: Not set
            .... ..1. = Syn: Set
            .... ...0 = Fin: Not set
        Window size: 57344
        Checksum: 0x5683 (correct)
        Options: (20 bytes)
            Maximum segment size: 1460 bytes
            NOP
            Window scale: 0 (multiply by 1)
            NOP
            NOP
            Time stamp: tsval 2549041, tsecr 0

  1.  00 00 00 02 72 6c 30 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00   ....rl0.........
  2.  00 00 00 00 00 0c 00 00 00 01 00 00 45 c0 00 58   ............E..X
  3.  9c 34 00 00 f5 01 b6 e4 cf 63 73 48 18 50 16 d0   .4.......csH.P..
  4.  03 01 ee 5c 00 00 00 00 45 00 00 3c 6d 4a 40 00   .......E..<mJ@.<br>
  5.  34 06 e8 42 18 50 16 d0 c0 a8 01 67 e0 83 00 50   4..B.P.....g...P
  6.  2c 8a 30 9f 00 00 00 00 a0 02 e0 00 56 83 00 00   ,.0.........V...
  7.  02 04 05 b4 01 03 03 00 01 01 08 0a 00 26 e5 31   .............&.1
  8.  00 00 00 00                                       ....


[ Parent ]
Ah (none / 0) (#41)
by rusty on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 01:47:05 AM EST

The way it works is lvs.voxel.net is a load balancer, which sends requests to one or the other Scoop box for serving. The Scoop boxes have private IPs, and one is 192.168.1.103. I think what happened is that when the .103 box was rebooted, lvs didn't know about it yet and tried to send requests there, generating this host unreachable stuff.

To summarize, I don't think it's anything to worry about.

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]

yes, that's what i surmised. (none / 0) (#46)
by edward on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 02:30:20 AM EST



[ Parent ]
Best practise (5.00 / 2) (#53)
by xL on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 03:27:30 AM EST

Mandates you filter rfc1918 addresses on your egress. Adding a -j DROP on the LVS' outward facing interface for outbound packets with 192.168.0.0/16 as a source as well as incoming packets with it as a source or destination would be advisable and neighborly. It may even help your security a bit, since it is typical to treat ip-addresses in such an internal network range as privileged.

[ Parent ]
that wouldn't have stopped this kind of packet... (none / 0) (#102)
by edward on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 12:35:42 PM EST

...because the packet that came to me had the external interface's IP address as the source. the private address in this case was inside the ICMP packet data segment. If you wanted to prevent these sorts of packets leaving the network, you'd have to block outgoing ICMP Type 3 packets.

[ Parent ]
Sorry :-( (4.00 / 3) (#14)
by rusty on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 12:12:58 AM EST

I was really hoping that no one had managed a diary. Damn. I'm sorry.

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Not the real rusty
Bastard! (5.00 / 3) (#20)
by JahToasted on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 12:22:35 AM EST

and you didn't delete a single one of my drunken/stoned ramblings.
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"I wanna have my kicks before the whole shithouse goes up in flames" -- Jim Morrison
[ Parent ]
Me too. (none / 0) (#45)
by Akshay on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 02:08:40 AM EST

T'is okay though; never really had much emotional baggage attached to the diary entries I've posted here.

[ Parent ]
What are you doing to me? (5.00 / 5) (#15)
by JahToasted on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 12:13:39 AM EST

I actually got some work done today.
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"I wanna have my kicks before the whole shithouse goes up in flames" -- Jim Morrison
Can't have that. (5.00 / 2) (#17)
by rusty on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 12:17:08 AM EST

You'll make the rest of us look bad.

Look, over here. K5's back up. And it's speedy. Looook into the screeeeen...

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]

Noooooo!! (5.00 / 3) (#21)
by JahToasted on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 12:25:48 AM EST

Damnit I just can't resist that shade of blue.
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"I wanna have my kicks before the whole shithouse goes up in flames" -- Jim Morrison
[ Parent ]
I'm not surprised, no one should be (1.54 / 24) (#16)
by You Are The Chosen One on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 12:16:25 AM EST

"So what did you do on your day off?"

Yeah, k5 scoop is a funny thing. Like you mentioned in a previous email, Rusty, you probably hate the way perl has begun to lag behind PHP in performance. I meant to get an email conversation going about the following during the "vacation" period but forgot; I think we may have a legitimate difference, noting your previous emails, in the grand scheme of scoop development.

I see the whole site slow downs, database slow downs, and complete server malfunctions, as just another part of your incompetence. I think if there is a difference, in the way other kurobots feel about the situation, for good reason, it's because they have hope that collaborative media is a real tangible thing. The investment they each personally provide only furthers their delusions. I'm somewhat lacking in compassion that I should probably have in this area. It might be that I have been here for a long while and know this pathetic cycle of incompetence like the back of my hand.

So the kurobots will keep paying your little fee. You will still disregard the only thing that we really want out of this site nowadays -- a site that we can enjoy surfing during a hard days work at the office. You sicken me. You sicken most others. The question is always the same. Why do you do it? Why do you continously fail your readership?

Because (3.40 / 10) (#52)
by The Muffin on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 03:15:49 AM EST

apparently, he doesn't listen to selfish twats like you. The "readership" is not you. It's everyone here. Many other comments on this article seem to not mind. As well as the gigantic majority of users that don't say anything and just enjoy what rusty helps people put up for free. You see, right now, I am paying nothing to rusty. There is no fee for posting an article for others to read. Because of both of these factors, I am enjoying the site right now (or would be if it weren't for whiners like you).

If you think rusty is incompetant, then stop reading the site. Honestly, there's no way to get around the fact that rusty runs this site, and if it goes down, I'll be damned - he's human, and shit happens to him too. I'm sure he's overjoyed that the site went down. Deal with it. The rest seem to understand that.

- This is the end.
[ Parent ]

Don't get mad. (1.36 / 22) (#56)
by LAPD on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 04:03:21 AM EST

apparently, he doesn't listen to selfish twats like you. The "readership" is not you. It's everyone here. Many other comments on this article seem to not mind. As well as the gigantic majority of users that don't say anything and just enjoy what rusty helps people put up for free. You see, right now, I am paying nothing to rusty. There is no fee for posting an article for others to read. Because of both of these factors, I am enjoying the site right now (or would be if it weren't for whiners like you).
Nope. Wrong. Every point you attempted to make.

If you think rusty is incompetant, then stop reading the site. Honestly, there's no way to get around the fact that rusty runs this site, and if it goes down, I'll be damned - he's human, and shit happens to him too. I'm sure he's overjoyed that the site went down. Deal with it. The rest seem to understand that.
How hive-mindedly typical of a rebuttal. Are you Christian, by any chance?

Even if I was to ignore your hideous grammer and seemingly 3rd-grade grasp of basic linguistic skills, your comment is still absolutely inane and lacking any logic whatsoever. Is your comment an attempt to "troll?" If so, you have succeeded.

[ Parent ]

Why was my comment rated 1? (1.38 / 18) (#58)
by LAPD on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 04:33:24 AM EST

I'll tell you why.

Because whoever did it is either insecure when confronted with the truth, or lacks the BALLS to actually speak up when he disagrees with what a person has to say.

[ Parent ]

Here's the full explanation you are entitled to: (2.80 / 10) (#80)
by mcherm on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 09:29:53 AM EST



[ Parent ]
Ummmm.... because you're a whiny schmuck? (nt) (2.60 / 5) (#109)
by randyk on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 01:37:40 PM EST



[ Parent ]
$19 ouch! (5.00 / 1) (#18)
by R343L on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 12:21:09 AM EST

But I'm glad k5 is back up and I am buying a t-shirt! (If shipping is not too evil and the thing doesn't timeout my session in 3 minutes like it just did).

Rachael
"Like cheese spread over too much cantelope, the people I spoke with liked their shoes." Ctrl-Alt-Del

Sorry no t-shirt (5.00 / 1) (#22)
by R343L on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 12:26:53 AM EST

Every time I try to visit the shop and checkout, it gives me a session timeout message (with a helpful message about timing sessions out after 90 minutes). It warns me to enable cookies. I am accepting cookies from them (Opera's accept all cookies for this (browser) session). So sorry, no t-shirt for me. I hate braindead online shops.

I might try again when I'm less frustrated. But the first time I got all the way to entering my credit card info (which it insisted on spitting back at me on two reloads because I entered and invalid password (had a # in it) and then because I didn't enter a phone number) when it crapped out. Not really interested now. Even though I really wanted a duxup loves you/trhurler hates you shirt just to freak the co-workers out.

Rachael
"Like cheese spread over too much cantelope, the people I spoke with liked their shoes." Ctrl-Alt-Del
[ Parent ]

Bummer (5.00 / 1) (#25)
by rusty on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 12:32:13 AM EST

I will direct the attention of the guy who runs Jinx at this comment and see if he can figure it out. Sorry about that.

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]
Thank you! (5.00 / 1) (#28)
by R343L on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 12:38:35 AM EST

I suppose I could have just emailed them, but I would most likely have flamed them to no end. The last time I emailed someone about their site not working in Opera I got a cheeky (see I used the word cheeky) email about how nothing was wrong with their site and my browser is broken. The problem was quietly fixed a couple days later. And it's not like I'm an ignoramus about this stuff, since I do it for a living (shudder).

Okay no more ranting. And really, thank you for doing something about it. :)

Rachael
"Like cheese spread over too much cantelope, the people I spoke with liked their shoes." Ctrl-Alt-Del
[ Parent ]

Opera, eh? (none / 0) (#29)
by rusty on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 12:40:36 AM EST

It might just be a cookie thing. I've had reports of cookies being broken in some versions of Opera sometimes as well.

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]
I somehow doubt it. (none / 0) (#30)
by R343L on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 12:47:51 AM EST

This is opera7.11 which, although more crash-prone than previous versions, appears rock-solid in other areas and actually works with more sites than before. Let me run one more experiment. I'm going to accept all cookies from their domain permanently and see what happens. I prefer not doing that as it means I have to go clean the cookie list out. We shall see.

...Okay I'm back and the verdict is a no go. I added jinxhackwear.com to the list of allowed servers and domains and allowed them to set third party cookies and use illegal paths, just in case they were doing one of those things. Still got the session timeout.

So hopefully they can figure the problem, as I'm guessing a few more k5 people use opera than average. (Although how many will be buying t-shirts anyway?)

Rachael
"Like cheese spread over too much cantelope, the people I spoke with liked their shoes." Ctrl-Alt-Del
[ Parent ]

Just want to add an observation: (none / 0) (#44)
by stfrn on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 01:58:26 AM EST

I haven't been using opera exstensively, but I have noticed a few sites that seam to complain about cookies no mater what I do... one actually pops up a login window again while loading the logged in page in the background... never figured out if it was an issue with opera not taking the cookies, or the websites acting up.

"Man, I'm going to bed. I can't even insult people properly tonight." - Imperfect
What would you recomend to someone who doesn't like SPAM?
[ Parent ]
Other sites (none / 0) (#69)
by R343L on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 08:40:47 AM EST

But there are plenty of online shop sites that do work (amazon, barnes and noble are ones I've used). Login discussion-type sites like slashdot and kuro5hin work fine too. Even when I had it set to prompt for every cookie and I hit accept on every one, I still have problems.

Rachael
"Like cheese spread over too much cantelope, the people I spoke with liked their shoes." Ctrl-Alt-Del
[ Parent ]

seam to complain (1.00 / 1) (#106)
by mcgrew on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 01:05:28 PM EST

Hey, if your seams are complaining you probably ought to lose some weight, or get bigger clothing. At least, that seems reasonable to me.

"The entire neocon movement is dedicated to revoking mcgrew's posting priviliges. This is why we went to war with Iraq." -LilDebbie
[ Parent ]

cookie complaints (5.00 / 1) (#121)
by janra on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 04:47:10 PM EST

I don't know if this is your issue, but I've noticed that some sites use javascript to do some, most, or all of their cookie setting and reading. I don't let javascript read my cookies, so some sites bitch at me for not allowing cookies, even though I've explicitly allowed them.
--
Discuss the art and craft of writing
That's the problem with world domination... Nobody is willing to wait for it anymore, work slowly towards it, drink more and enjoy the ride more.
[ Parent ]
Hmmmm (5.00 / 2) (#132)
by R343L on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 07:16:12 PM EST

That may be it let's check.

Okay I can't figure out if Opera has a setting for allowing/disallowing javascript cookie access. But I just tried again (after making sure jinx was allowed for cookies). And it seems to work.

That is very weird. Time to get shirt.
Yay! Ordered shirt. Soon I can proclaim duxup's love to the world.

Rachael
"Like cheese spread over too much cantelope, the people I spoke with liked their shoes." Ctrl-Alt-Del
[ Parent ]

Hey! Why not give Mozilla a try? [nt] (none / 0) (#68)
by UberClaude on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 08:31:32 AM EST



[ Parent ]
I do have it (none / 0) (#70)
by R343L on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 08:42:52 AM EST

I just prefer Opera 7 right now. I used Opera 5/6 until mozilla got good (soon after 1.0 came out). But mozilla just had better features and better standards support. Opera 7 came out and is much better. Plus it has this nifty feature with tabbed browsing - when you close a tab opera goes to the last tab you had open before the closed one (unlike mozilla that just chooses the closest one).

Mozilla is also dirt slow on my 200MB 500MHz home machine. I use it at work though.
"Like cheese spread over too much cantelope, the people I spoke with liked their shoes." Ctrl-Alt-Del
[ Parent ]

Plus... (none / 0) (#92)
by Vesperto on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 11:28:11 AM EST

...the open in background, create a linked tab, zoom, display all cookies, reload with no images, reload every x seconds, maximize frame, search in page, I love Opera :) 6.12 right now on Debian.

La blua plago!
[ Parent ]
tabbrowser extensions (none / 0) (#99)
by lennarth on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 12:16:23 PM EST

Take a look at Tabbrowser Extensions. It lets you mess around with tabs in quite a bit of different ways, one being able to have the previously open tab pop back when closing a tab. I particularly like the option of having mozilla use only a single window at any time, and load links from external programs in a new tab instead of a new window.

[ Parent ]
I have the most horrid luck with extensions (none / 0) (#133)
by R343L on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 07:17:41 PM EST

They always seemed to break on upgrades or I would have to reinstall them all. The only one I use anymore is optimoz (for gestures).

Rachael
"Like cheese spread over too much cantelope, the people I spoke with liked their shoes." Ctrl-Alt-Del
[ Parent ]

Opera & Mozilla (none / 0) (#136)
by dtcook on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 08:39:51 PM EST

At home, I use Opera about 90% of the time - it's always running, and I keep accumulating tabs, tabs and more tabs - every now and then I get around 100 of them and bookmark a bunch of stuff and trim them down a bit.

Unfortunately, at work, Opera lacks one important feature (and apparently they have no plans to add it) - proxying with NTLM authentication. Mozilla (1.4, at least) does support it, and it seems to behave reasonably otherwise.


David.

[ Parent ]
NTLM (none / 0) (#150)
by R343L on Thu Jul 10, 2003 at 07:50:54 AM EST

Never needed to use it, although I swear to god 10% of all posts on a /. story about a new mozilla version complained about lack of NTLM support. :)

Rachael
"Like cheese spread over too much cantelope, the people I spoke with liked their shoes." Ctrl-Alt-Del
[ Parent ]

Shipping (none / 0) (#37)
by Repton on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 01:29:40 AM EST

Can anyone tell me what shipping will cost?

I can't find it on the site anywhere.. (well, at least not without entering my credit card details) (and a google search turns up nothing)

Particularly internetional shipping...

--
Repton.
They say that only an experienced wizard can do the tengu shuffle..
[ Parent ]

Shipping (none / 0) (#39)
by rusty on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 01:44:13 AM EST

I think shipping is figured out based on the order and where you ship to, so they can't just tell you beforehand. That's how it's usually done, anyway. I would rather see it take customer and shipping info first and then do the payment stuff after showing you the total, but it doesn't charge you before you see what the price is.

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]
Bah! (4.90 / 10) (#24)
by MostlyHarmless on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 12:30:54 AM EST

You all spent your day off reading slashdot, don't deny it!

It's like going to the lower-quality drug dealer. Sure, it's probably laced with ground glass and okra and who knows what else, but at least you'll get some sort of buzz. Right before you pass out.
--
"Nevertheless, that is the theorem." - Tom Stoppard

I lost one too. Such a good diary entry. (nt) (none / 0) (#34)
by Kaki Nix Sain on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 01:15:31 AM EST



yhbt t-shirt (4.66 / 3) (#36)
by anonymous pancake on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 01:18:42 AM EST

is it not possible to get one in a small? I know the primary market is geeks but don't discount the fact that some of us do keep in shape.


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. <---- This is not a period, it is actually a very small drawing of the prophet mohhamed.
Sizes (none / 0) (#42)
by rusty on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 01:49:38 AM EST

We ordered stock based on what typically sells. If there was a great demand for small, we could order some. But I kind of doubt there will be. Unless you're very very small, medium ought to work fine.

And who are you calling out of shape? :-)

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]

Round is a shape (5.00 / 1) (#161)
by wiredog on Thu Jul 10, 2003 at 07:50:14 PM EST



Wilford Brimley scares my chickens.
Phil the Canuck

[ Parent ]
I want a duxup / trhurler T-Shirt (4.80 / 5) (#47)
by fhotg on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 02:40:54 AM EST

I live in Europe

I'm fucked ?!
~~~
Gitarren für die Mädchen -- Champagner für die Jungs

Um (none / 0) (#88)
by rusty on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 10:56:54 AM EST

I'm looking into it. It can't be. That would be bad.

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]
Potty Mouth (5.00 / 2) (#129)
by duxup on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 05:56:45 PM EST

*hug*

[ Parent ]
Europe (none / 0) (#145)
by Fredrick Doulton on Thu Jul 10, 2003 at 12:33:50 AM EST

"I live in Europe

I'm fucked ?!"

Yes, you are fucked. But not because of the Kuro5hin dot org thing.

Bush/Cheney 2004! - "Because we've still got more people to kill"
[ Parent ]

So far, yes (none / 0) (#146)
by rusty on Thu Jul 10, 2003 at 12:43:30 AM EST

Unfortunately, you are. They're getting rates from Airborne Express, and you can bet your ass I'll be pestering them about it.

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]
Thinking about it (none / 0) (#147)
by fhotg on Thu Jul 10, 2003 at 04:37:06 AM EST

It would be insane to airlift a T-shirt over 7000 km.

We have T-shirts here too.

We even have shops who print whatever you want on these T-shirts, for a small fee.

So I can make my own duxup/trhurler T-shirt, even cheaper.

I also could make some 50 good quality ones and sell them here, given rusty wouldn't sue me for copyright infringement because I would want to use the K5 logo. Not that I'm going to do this (see sig), but what are the terms of use for the K5 logo ?
~~~
Gitarren für die Mädchen -- Champagner für die Jungs

[ Parent ]

I (4.85 / 14) (#49)
by Joh3n on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 03:00:13 AM EST

  1.  took over Bolivia, then gave it back
  2.  trained monkeys to write Shakespeare, in pig latin, backwards
  3.  ate nothing but nanaimo bars the whole day long
  4.  married, divorced, re-married, and now am seperated from Milla Jojovich (what can I say, she's great in the sack, but keeps leaving me for rock stars and french directors)
  5.  made a life sized replica of stone henge using only beer bottle caps and bubble-yum
  6.  cooked 436,782 pies
  7.  programmed the entire works of Shostokovitch into my cell phone to really annoy people at airports
  8.  proved Goedel's incompleteness theorem wrong using a drogans decoder wheel from a box of cracker Jacks
and I did it all before 10 AM.  

Holy crap you can get a lot done when you don't have k5 in the mornings.
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You can learn a lot about someone by popping in their un-rewound pr0n tape and seeing where exactly they came.
-terpy

lies (4.87 / 8) (#55)
by pantagruel on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 04:03:09 AM EST

you say you did this all before 10 am but #3 is: "ate nothing but nanaimo bars the whole day long " so I am forced to conclude your whole story is nothing but a tissue of lies. I will now do the 'I outsmarted you' dance.

[ Parent ]
You're just... (5.00 / 3) (#62)
by Eater on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 05:11:58 AM EST

...jelous that you can't spend a whole day in as few hours as he can.

Eater.

[ Parent ]
Huzzah for atonality (none / 0) (#71)
by MostlyHarmless on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 08:55:31 AM EST

2. trained monkeys to write Shakespeare, in pig latin, backwards

The real question, of course, is how you got the monkeys to speak pig Latin. Are these bilingual monkeys?

(p.s. Shostakovich? impudens es leno!)
--
"Nevertheless, that is the theorem." - Tom Stoppard
[ Parent ]

tech support? (4.16 / 6) (#51)
by crayz on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 03:14:22 AM EST

"...and that will require someone at the colo to walk up to it and start sshd. It certainly ought to be back up in the next day or so at most..."

Ummm. I thought this host was supposed to have good tech support. A day+ to turn on ssh? What the hell? This should be a fix taking 30 mins, max. More like 5 from the first ring on their phone for a good host.

Any reason why this should take so long?

It's free? (5.00 / 3) (#89)
by rusty on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 10:57:52 AM EST

We get free hosting. I assume they're busy taking care of paying customers, which should answer both your questions. :-)

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]
What did I do? (3.20 / 10) (#54)
by SamuraiJack on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 03:27:32 AM EST

First, I got up.
Then, I went out.
To look for a job.
Then, I went and hung out in front of the drug store....

I did the same, basically. (1.05 / 37) (#57)
by LAPD on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 04:18:07 AM EST

First, I got up.
Then, I went out.
Then, I maced me some niggers.

[ Parent ]
Why was my comment rated 1? (1.61 / 21) (#59)
by LAPD on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 04:35:26 AM EST

I'll tell you why.

Because whoever did it is either insecure when confronted with the truth, or lacks the BALLS to actually speak up when he disagrees with what a person has to say.

[ Parent ]

No, I disagree (3.66 / 12) (#63)
by gordonjcp on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 05:16:07 AM EST

You were rated 1 (and 0 by me) because your comment is lame, offensive, stupid, and not even funny.

Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he'll bore you rigid with fishing stories for the rest of your life.


[ Parent ]
hrmmm (3.58 / 12) (#66)
by Skwirl on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 07:30:25 AM EST

To be fair, he's parodizing the Los Angeles Police Department and, as an institution, they're not exactly known for their racial tolerance. I suppose you would give Mark Twain a zero for The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, as well?

--
"Nothing in the world is more distasteful to a man than to take the path that leads to himself." -- Herman Hesse
[ Parent ]
quit encouraging the trolls (3.62 / 8) (#83)
by eudas on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 10:45:53 AM EST

that would be nice, if k5 were a site for role-playing re-enactments of ridiculously stupid and unimaginative caricatures, but it's not -- it's a site for intelligent discussion of interesting topics, and to treat it as if it were a site for trollish characters is to denigrate it into being useless except as such.

eudas
"We're placing this wood in your ass for the good of the world" -- mrgoat
[ Parent ]

Intelligent discussion (4.80 / 5) (#87)
by Cro Magnon on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 10:56:07 AM EST

Are we talking about the same K5?
Information wants to be beer.
[ Parent ]
k5 is what you make of it (3.75 / 8) (#90)
by eudas on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 11:06:31 AM EST

k5 is what you make of it; if you make it a troll's playground, then that's all it will be. personally, i find the trolls very unamusing and irritating.

eudas
"We're placing this wood in your ass for the good of the world" -- mrgoat
[ Parent ]

You GO! Girl! . [n/t] (2.66 / 3) (#123)
by Pop Top on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 05:13:06 PM EST



[ Parent ]
It helps to have a sense of humour. (nt) (3.33 / 3) (#152)
by Ta bu shi da yu on Thu Jul 10, 2003 at 08:55:27 AM EST



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AdTIה"the think tank that didn't".
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[ Parent ]
Yes, intelligent discussion! (4.75 / 4) (#105)
by mcgrew on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 01:03:05 PM EST

Ain't that right, Tex? Nigga, you be agreein'? Proud American, y'all? President Bush? ATM?

"The entire neocon movement is dedicated to revoking mcgrew's posting priviliges. This is why we went to war with Iraq." -LilDebbie
[ Parent ]

No, that's not what he's doing (5.00 / 8) (#86)
by ucblockhead on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 10:51:46 AM EST

What he's doing is pretending to parodize the LAPD so that he can use the word "nigger" and then get in a huff when the inevitable zeros come his way.
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This is k5. We're all tools - duxup
[ Parent ]
Not a very good parody, is it? (4.25 / 4) (#104)
by gordonjcp on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 12:40:12 PM EST

Incidentally, I got kicked out of my high-school English class in 1st year, for arguing with my teacher about Huckleberry Finn. She was saying it was terrible and racially offensive, simply because it had the word "nigger" in it. I argued that the use of language was different then, and that she was attaching a hell of a lot of meaning to one word without looking what the sentence as a whole was saying. Back when Huckleberry Finn was written, it was considered shocking, too...

Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he'll bore you rigid with fishing stories for the rest of your life.


[ Parent ]
waste of space (3.33 / 9) (#82)
by eudas on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 10:44:01 AM EST

both comments were stupid, and were rated accordingly.

and, just for the record, posting a comment about why you think something is stupid is just opening yourself up for retaliatory rating. (so rate away, right? heh.)

..rolls eyes at the stupidity of it all..

eudas
"We're placing this wood in your ass for the good of the world" -- mrgoat
[ Parent ]

You are a fucking retard. (2.06 / 16) (#110)
by SamuraiJack on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 01:38:46 PM EST

And your comment was rated accordingly.

[ Parent ]
I get it... (none / 0) (#178)
by Michael Corleone on Mon Aug 18, 2003 at 06:50:10 PM EST

that must be why your comment ratings rarely get above 2.

[ Parent ]
I fived this comment (2.80 / 5) (#169)
by TRASG0 on Sat Jul 12, 2003 at 01:09:07 AM EST

and I hope someone else does too.  I'm tired of people treating trusted user status like its a fucking cabal or a liscense to censor opinions you disagree with.  A hearty fuck-you to everyone who zeroed this comment, and know that I will continue to five things like this until I lose my trusted user status again.
sorry no sig now
[ Parent ]
No (4.66 / 3) (#176)
by nebbish on Tue Jul 29, 2003 at 10:12:53 AM EST

Its racist and offensive for the sake of it. So 0 it gets.

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Kicking someone in the head is like punching them in the foot - Bruce Lee
[ Parent ]

Class, class... (5.00 / 2) (#112)
by DLWormwood on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 02:25:31 PM EST

SHUT UUUUUUUUUUUP!
--
Those who complain about affect & effect on k5 should be disemvoweled
[ Parent ]
Dude (5.00 / 2) (#61)
by dr thrustgood on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 04:53:03 AM EST

Aside from Media Whore, those shirts suck. I mean, seriously, wouldn't you be embarrassed to walk down the street wearing one of 'em?

To think, all I've ever wanted is to nick the tshirt a colleague once wore to work - "Dole Scum."

Classy, that.

--
Mutter mutter mutter King Crimson Mutter mutter mutter

comment sorting doesn't seem to work (5.00 / 1) (#64)
by Timo Laine on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 07:09:07 AM EST

At least the "unrated, then highest" option seems to be broken.

Agreed. (none / 0) (#165)
by andfarm on Fri Jul 11, 2003 at 02:42:41 PM EST

I'm seeing all the unrated comments piling up at the bottom of my pages along with the trollish sludge.

[ Parent ]
-1 no international shipping (5.00 / 5) (#65)
by tranx on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 07:25:59 AM EST

Hell! www.cafepress.com has more, cheaper stuff and ships worldwide!

Also, no "-1 too US centric" items?

Drop the monocle and ask for k5ers advice on this...


"World War III is a guerrilla information war, with no division between military and civilian participation." -- Marshall McLuhan

shirts... (5.00 / 3) (#67)
by parasite on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 08:30:35 AM EST


I always love shirts that show "what I'm into"... but these Kuro5hin shirts leave ME befuddled. What in the world is the meaning of any of them ? Isn't there something more plain -- or at least comprehendible ? One thing that strongly offends me in modern clothing trends are shirts that I do NOT understand, and to be quite honest I don't understand any of the shirts being a Kuro5hin'er myself -- let alone a stranger on the street. To be honest, I think they sink to the level of that Ambersomething company that puts stuff like "lemonaide stand" on their shirt -- I mean WHAT is that supposed to imply ?? So for that reason, I don't think I'll be buying one anytime soon...

But I'd love an explaination of ANY of the designs if anyone knows ??

It's simple (none / 0) (#76)
by davidmb on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 09:11:31 AM EST

YHBT. YHL. HAND
־‮־
[ Parent ]
just to spoil your fun (none / 0) (#120)
by glacier on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 04:43:05 PM EST

YOU HAVE BEEN TROLLED. YOU HAVE LOST. HAVE A NICE DAY.

[ Parent ]
Very true (5.00 / 3) (#77)
by AmberEyes on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 09:25:04 AM EST

It's all meta circle-jerk crap.

I may end up stealing the K5 logo and making a somewhat normal shirt, then sending Rusty $5 or something.

-AmberEyes


"But you [AmberEyes] have never admitted defeat your entire life, so why should you start now. It seems the only perfect human being since Jesus Christ himself is in our presence." -my Uncle Dean
[ Parent ]
Good idea! <nt> (none / 0) (#95)
by Vesperto on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 11:34:47 AM EST

nt means No Text

La blua plago!
[ Parent ]
You do graphicy stuff right? (none / 0) (#100)
by rusty on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 12:18:25 PM EST

Design the shirt you'd like to see and send it to me. If I used it, you'd get one for nothing.

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]
speaking of shirts that no one will understand... (5.00 / 10) (#114)
by webwench on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 02:28:13 PM EST

One that just says (n/t) or <n/t> would kind of make a statement in and of itself...

[ Parent ]
That a pretty good idea. [nt] (5.00 / 1) (#117)
by rusty on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 02:41:22 PM EST



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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]
what is the sound of one blogger posting? (none / 0) (#163)
by infinitera on Thu Jul 10, 2003 at 10:27:41 PM EST

[nt]

[ Parent ]
How about square brackets? [nt] (none / 0) (#125)
by Happy Monkey on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 05:17:14 PM EST


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[ Parent ]
but *i* like (n/t) (en tea) not [nt] :( (none / 0) (#158)
by fishling on Thu Jul 10, 2003 at 06:24:25 PM EST



[ Parent ]
Hey! there was no text there. (5.00 / 2) (#159)
by Happy Monkey on Thu Jul 10, 2003 at 06:32:33 PM EST

You should have put [nt] at the end.
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[ Parent ]
you got me! (n/t) (5.00 / 1) (#160)
by fishling on Thu Jul 10, 2003 at 07:41:54 PM EST

i lied!  there is text inside here!  i am turning concepts on their ear!

[ Parent ]
there should be a checkbox (1.00 / 1) (#172)
by emmons on Tue Jul 15, 2003 at 12:24:21 AM EST

For no comments in the post comment form. Then we could set in our settings page what we want appended for it, standard being the standard [nt], of course.

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In the beginning the universe was created. This has made a lot of people angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
-Douglas Adams

[ Parent ]
I agree, that'd be cool [nt] (none / 0) (#144)
by j0s)( on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 11:58:07 PM EST


-- j0sh -- of course im over-dramatizing my statements, but thats how its done here, sensationalism, otherwise you wouldnt read it.


[ Parent ]
I am very dissatisfied with K5 being down (4.77 / 9) (#72)
by Tex Bigballs on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 08:59:24 AM EST

This is disgusting. I am absolutely disgusted. This is an outrage. I am really disgusted and outraged. I find this really absolutely disgusting.

If the level of service does not improve soon I will be canceling my grant to this supposed abra-collaborative media foundation.

s/abra/Abba (5.00 / 1) (#149)
by A Proud American on Thu Jul 10, 2003 at 07:44:03 AM EST

 

____________________________
The weak are killed and eaten...


[ Parent ]
s/A Proud American/A Total Geek (none / 0) (#153)
by davedean on Thu Jul 10, 2003 at 09:11:41 AM EST

[no]
[text]

-Dave
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Dave Dean
Google loves me again! New Formula!
[ Parent ]

Does anyone else notice the connection? (none / 0) (#75)
by PhadeRunner on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 09:10:16 AM EST

One day of downtime, next day new t-shirts are announced.  Not short of money again are we?  

/me walks off towards yacht polishing monocle...

-1 Site News (none / 0) (#78)
by duxup on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 09:26:54 AM EST

Tease

Potty mouth [nt] (none / 0) (#85)
by The Writer on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 10:50:28 AM EST



[ Parent ]
What did I do? (5.00 / 2) (#79)
by gauntlet on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 09:29:36 AM EST

I learned how to write database cursors in Sybase 12.5.

Don't ever do that to me again.

Into Canadian Politics?

Sybase 12.5 is teh rox0r!!! (none / 0) (#111)
by bc on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 01:54:52 PM EST

Specially those Abstract Query Plans!

Its a lot more scalable than mySql, too, and has real transactions!!!!

Of course, its not free, but then open source is only free if your time is worth nothing!!! LOL

♥, bc.
[ Parent ]

Are you SURE you're back? (5.00 / 4) (#81)
by Cro Magnon on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 09:45:47 AM EST

It's moving awfully slow! I think it's about to cr
Information wants to be beer.
Hey, rusty... (5.00 / 1) (#94)
by explodingheadboy on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 11:33:44 AM EST

What of this "mild" DOS attack that was mentioned on the D'oh! page. Was that a lie to keep the unruly hoard at bay? Did it really happen? ...Have I been trolled?

Meh, I was expected news about that too since it was mentioned.

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Q: If you're paddling upstream in a canoe and a wheel falls off, how many pancakes fit in a doghouse?
A: None! Ice cream doesn't have bones!!!

[*rmg is dying]

Search (5.00 / 2) (#96)
by rusty on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 11:37:08 AM EST

Someone ran lynx through a dictionary file doing comment searches for random words 35-40 at a time. This was not good, given how slow comment search is. I followed up with the host it came from to the maximum extent possible, but I doubt anything will come of it. I didn't mention it partly because I'd rather not give anyone else ideas, and because there wasn't really anything to say.

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]
Thanks for clearing that up. (none / 0) (#98)
by explodingheadboy on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 11:55:18 AM EST

I'm a curious person, I want to know things, it's a habit.

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Q: If you're paddling upstream in a canoe and a wheel falls off, how many pancakes fit in a doghouse?
A: None! Ice cream doesn't have bones!!!

[*rmg is dying]
[ Parent ]

Searchs (5.00 / 2) (#113)
by ucblockhead on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 02:25:52 PM EST

Have you considered any sort of indexing scheme, given that comment searches seem to cause 90% of your problems?

(And also considering that 90% of searches are probably for usernames)

(BTW: I suspect lots of people already have that idea given that it sometimes seems that a single person doing a comment search can make k5 stop responding for minutes at a time.)
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This is k5. We're all tools - duxup
[ Parent ]

Sigh (none / 0) (#116)
by rusty on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 02:40:40 PM EST

Search is an endlessly ongoing problem, it seems. It's much better with myisam's fulltext indexing. Given that I've reduced the size of the active DB considerably, I wonder if it isn't time to try going back to myisam tables...

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]
User names (none / 0) (#128)
by mcgrew on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 05:42:08 PM EST

How many are there? Maybe you should devote a search box just for that, if it takes up so much search time.

Personally I just go through my own comments, 99.9% of the time that's where I saw someone anyway.

"The entire neocon movement is dedicated to revoking mcgrew's posting priviliges. This is why we went to war with Iraq." -LilDebbie
[ Parent ]

You could always use a real database (2.00 / 1) (#156)
by Scott Marlowe on Thu Jul 10, 2003 at 03:49:01 PM EST

You know, IBFirebird or Postgresql.

[ Parent ]
How to rate? (3.00 / 1) (#162)
by rodgerd on Thu Jul 10, 2003 at 09:59:20 PM EST

On the one hand, you're right.  On the other hand, you're trolling.


[ Parent ]
Conundrum (none / 0) (#171)
by Scott Marlowe on Mon Jul 14, 2003 at 12:15:06 PM EST

It is a bit of a conundrum, isn't it?

I wouldn't say I was trolling so much as speaking the truth.  i.e. MySQL can't handle load very well, and this has been shown over and over again (here and elsewhere on the net.)

I really thing ibphoenix might be his best bet for this site.

[ Parent ]

If you let non-subscribers (5.00 / 3) (#166)
by dipierro on Fri Jul 11, 2003 at 04:58:24 PM EST

receive updates when someone responds to their comments, then we wouldn't have to click on "Your Comments" nearly so often.

[ Parent ]
Rationed searches (3.00 / 1) (#170)
by QuickFox on Sun Jul 13, 2003 at 07:24:08 PM EST

You might arrange things so that searches can be made only sparingly. When a search result is sent to a user, note the time. Next time a search form is submitted, check that no search is in progress, and that at least N seconds have passed since the previous search ended. Else reply "Sorry, come back some other time". Let the delay between searches N vary over the day depending on server load. Show the user a graph of the server load over the day, so people know when success is more likely.

Of course, if it's possible, a better solution would be to arrange for searches to work in separate threads that gets lower priority than other pages, so that searches can proceed only in the quiet pauses between the ordinary pages. But I don't know if that's possible. I suppose you've already explored that route.

Give a man a fish and he eats for one day. Teach him how to fish, and though he'll eat for a lifetime, he'll call you a miser for not giving him your fi
[ Parent ]

Indexing scheme (4.00 / 4) (#124)
by Hymen Restoration Surgery on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 05:16:25 PM EST

Hey, you might try some sort of indexing scheme. I think I heard that IBM was working on some sort of technology to make it so you could search Websites for random text and it wouldn't take 5 minutes. Or something like that, you should Google on it.

Or you could just talk to somebody who knows something about programming. If you know any of them. When you find one, ask them if they know how to run a Web browser and use Google to search (yes, search!) for "implementing a search engine". It's a fairly common task and, hence, a fairly well-understood one.

Your last alternative might be to just disallow comments altogether. I mean, if you can DoS the site by invoking random searches with one single client, well shit man. What the fuck, huh? Kind of a fucked-up situation right there. Seriously, hombre.



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H.R.S.
[ Parent ]
Got Arrested (4.33 / 6) (#103)
by Recreational Abortion on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 12:36:33 PM EST

I got arrested for smoking pot, along with 3 glass pipes (Goodbye Nemo, Silent Bob, Johnny Cashed), a hitter, and about a quarter.  The cops were nice though.

my court date is in august.

Obviously this is specifically because K5 went down.  
I hold you Rusty Foster personally responsible.
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colorless green ideas sleep furiously

Free Country (3.00 / 2) (#157)
by Scott Marlowe on Thu Jul 10, 2003 at 03:50:25 PM EST

Aren't you glad you live in a Free Country (TM GWBush)??? America has the highest percentage of it's population imprisoned of any large civilized country.

[ Parent ]
Move to Canada... (5.00 / 1) (#164)
by Farq Q. Fenderson on Fri Jul 11, 2003 at 03:11:24 AM EST

The cops have stopped arresting people, for the most part. They don't know what to do, since half the cases are being thrown out, and the other half are postponed. No joke.

farq will not be coming back
[ Parent ]
What I did (none / 0) (#107)
by mcgrew on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 01:11:48 PM EST

I made a database in Noman, then when I realized the user didn't have access to the mainframe I converted it to Access. Then when I realized the user didn't have Access I made it web based.

Then I realized her "computer" was an old Wang and went home, ate, and went to Dempsey's and watched some guy try to amaze Joe enough to let him on "Open Mic Night" with some amazing card tricks.

Yes, the carbon monoxide in the "new" beater is getting to me

"The entire neocon movement is dedicated to revoking mcgrew's posting priviliges. This is why we went to war with Iraq." -LilDebbie

Oops, (none / 0) (#108)
by mcgrew on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 01:13:16 PM EST

that's "Nomad," not "Noman."

"The entire neocon movement is dedicated to revoking mcgrew's posting priviliges. This is why we went to war with Iraq." -LilDebbie
[ Parent ]

Oh, good. (5.00 / 1) (#122)
by Happy Monkey on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 05:02:36 PM EST

A database would be more useful in defeating a self-aware satellite than a cyclops.
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[ Parent ]
I just starred... (none / 0) (#127)
by valar on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 05:34:16 PM EST

I just starred at a completely blank mozilla window all day. Actually, I worked on my pet project of the moment.

My vacation... (4.25 / 4) (#130)
by butfuk on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 06:32:06 PM EST

I started, and nearly completed the Next Killer App. But then K5 came back online, so I scrapped the project.


     
Unix and C are the ultimate computer viruses.
on his vacation (none / 0) (#135)
by spacejack on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 08:31:05 PM EST

spacejack met a girl. An aspiring actress to be precise.

But K5 is back...

You mean a waitress? (5.00 / 1) (#173)
by broken77 on Thu Jul 17, 2003 at 02:24:12 PM EST

*ducks*

I'm starting to doubt all this happy propaganda about Islam being a religion of peace. Heck, it's just as bad as Christianity. -- Dphitz
[ Parent ]

I didn't vote this shit up. (3.50 / 2) (#139)
by Pink Shirt and Leather Pants Radar on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 09:43:11 PM EST



What I did on my day off (5.00 / 2) (#141)
by MichaelCrawford on Wed Jul 09, 2003 at 10:54:37 PM EST

Mindlessly pressed the Reload button until the site came back up.


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Live your fucking life. Sue someone on the Internet. Write a fucking music player. Like the great man Michael David Crawford has shown us all: Hard work, a strong will to stalk, and a few fries short of a happy meal goes a long way. -- bride of spidy


I spent the day (5.00 / 1) (#151)
by nebbish on Thu Jul 10, 2003 at 08:00:49 AM EST

Wondering which US time zone you go by so I could work out when tomorrow was.

IT MADE MY HEAD HURT.

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Kicking someone in the head is like punching them in the foot - Bruce Lee

Question (5.00 / 1) (#154)
by kjb on Thu Jul 10, 2003 at 12:27:57 PM EST

I was idly wondering, as I didn't see mention of it in the article.

Were people's subscriptions extended by a day while K5 was down?

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Now watch this drive.

I didn't (5.00 / 1) (#155)
by rusty on Thu Jul 10, 2003 at 12:39:51 PM EST

But you reminded me, so I did.

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[ Parent ]
One thing I did... (1.00 / 1) (#167)
by dipierro on Fri Jul 11, 2003 at 05:04:38 PM EST

was worked on setting up my boot floppy for my Dell laptop. It's going to use the floppy for the boot loader then load up an ext2 filesystem residing as a file on my ntfs filesystem. Syslinux and compressed initrd ramdisks and loopback drivers and experimental read-write ntfs and cross compiling kernels. Bleh, what a pain in my ass.



WTF?! (5.00 / 1) (#168)
by jabber on Fri Jul 11, 2003 at 09:16:39 PM EST

No "TINK5C" shirt??

[TINK5C] |"Is K5 my kapusta intellectual teddy bear?"| "Yes"

T Shirts (none / 0) (#177)
by Cloudy on Mon Aug 11, 2003 at 05:23:57 PM EST

I quite like the normal Kuroshin logo. Can't you get that on a T Shirt? All the other stuff reminds me of the "c:/dos/run" T shirt from The Simpsons ;)

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