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K5 monthly update, August 2003

By rusty in Site News
Mon Aug 18, 2003 at 10:41:15 PM EST
Tags: Kuro5hin.org (all tags)
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Taking the advice of many of you to heart, I present the first in what will be a regular monthly update, this month featuring site performance news, and some things that are happening now and in the near future.


Monthly update

Many of you asked for it, and you're right, so I will try to write a site news update at the very least once a month. I will usually do it on or around the first of the month, but this one is long overdue, so I'm doing it now.

K5 performance

Today I found one bug which has to have been contributing to the total [impolite word redacted] which K5 performance has been lately. There's a logging function that keeps track of ad impressions over the course of a day, and at night it boils the specific records down to general statistics for advertisers and deletes the day's individual records. Or at least, it's supposed to delete them. It seems it hasn't been since July seventh, and the ad_log table had grown to around half a million rows. It had gotten rather slow on inserts, which happen every time an ad is viewed. I fixed the bug and cleared out all the old rows, hoping that that was causing the bad performance problems. Well, it didn't help much right away, but I also hadn't rebuilt the database in a while, and deleting 3/4 of the records in one table all at once can cause index performance to go down the crapper. So I also dropped and reloaded the database. Since then, it has been very snappy, so here's hoping that was the problem.

New volunteer part-time admin

Another common request was that I recruit someone to keep an eye on things when I can't be parked at a keyboard. So I've suckered invited one of the founding geniuses behind Satanosphere and all-round competent Scoop admin Captain_Tenille to take care of the machines when I'm not around. Many thanks, Cap'n, and here's hoping you'll never need to do anything.

Near-future developments

There's a new database box coming online soon, and 36Gb of new drive space in each of our existing machines, which should make the disk fillups a thing of the past. I'm not sure what the final new server layout is going to be, but I'm thinking about trying to have the new database box take all incoming writes, and keep the old one as a slave for reading only. If this works, it ought to improve performance a lot for everyone. Also, if it works well, I would have the pieces in place to bring up a dedicated subscriber database in the future, which I think would probably be a nice feature.

With pb's help I'm rewriting search on a vector model. No promises because it is an experiment, but none of us can think why it wouldn't work, and if it does, it'll be a hell of a lot better than what we have. Not only should it be fast enough to actually use, but it may have the added bonus of finding what you were looking for. That will either be done or proven infeasable within the next couple of weeks. Hopefully the former.

CMF stuff

Everyone up to and including my wife has been unhappy with me (no, we're not getting a divorce, by the way -- YHBT) about my sluggishness on the CMF. I have no good excuse, only bad ones. Nevertheless, she has dragged me forward and collected up and enumerated the things we need to do to continue. I have drafts of a statement of purpose, a narrative of action, and a budget to edit, and a temporary board to invite before we can start filing the actual incorporation paperwork. I will collect those things up and post them Friday, whether the damn things are done or not. If they're not, the more fool I will look.

I would also love if anyone who does web design, or wishes they did, would send me a concept for how the CMF site should look. I suck at web design. If you don't, whip up a little concept graphic and send it over. My only requests are that it be fairly simple and clean, and be possible to implement with Scoop. And also that you be willing to work with me to implement it if I like yours.

I would like to get the CMF site running as soon as we file, if not before. It's pretty much ready to go, I just don't know what it should look like. If no one has an idea, I'll do something crappy until someone else comes up with a better design, but really, no one wants to see my crappy layout. Won't you please think of the kittens?

So that's August. If/when the new search is up I'll post another note introducing it, and look for a CMF update Friday. And thanks for your eternal patience. :-)

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Yea! (5.00 / 3) (#1)
by leviramsey on Mon Aug 18, 2003 at 10:43:42 PM EST

Even though I wasn't pushing for regular Site News, I'm finding this interesting reading. Thank you, rusty!



Thank you. (5.00 / 4) (#2)
by aphrael on Mon Aug 18, 2003 at 10:44:31 PM EST

Thank you very much for appointing someone as a volunteer administrator during your work-related absences. :) Captain Tenille is a good man, and he will do a fine job. :)

I'll do the web design (5.00 / 3) (#3)
by LittleZephyr on Mon Aug 18, 2003 at 10:46:26 PM EST

I just needa know what it needs, standard scoop stuff I assume? Anything else, anything less?
(\♥/) What if instead of posting that comment,
(0.-) you had actually taken a knife and stabbed
("_") me in the eye? You murderer. ~ Rusty

make sure it has plenty of britney... (4.33 / 6) (#14)
by rmg on Mon Aug 18, 2003 at 10:58:22 PM EST

i luv britney/.

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ACtually (5.00 / 6) (#18)
by LittleZephyr on Mon Aug 18, 2003 at 11:05:17 PM EST

I was think more Lindsay Lohan in the pre-ugly stage ^_^
(\♥/) What if instead of posting that comment,
(0.-) you had actually taken a knife and stabbed
("_") me in the eye? You murderer. ~ Rusty

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OMG !!!! (3.71 / 7) (#25)
by rmg on Mon Aug 18, 2003 at 11:15:03 PM EST

I LUV LINDSAY !!! SHE'S MY FAV !!!

O BUT SHE IS SO UG NOW !!!! I LIKED HER THO !! SHE IS TEH KEWL !!!!

OMG !! WHAT R U GOIGN TO DO ????

PLZ RIGHT BACK K THX ~!!!11~!@!!

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First things first, (5.00 / 2) (#87)
by Trollaxor on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 04:49:09 AM EST

Can I see some pics?

THX

[ Parent ]

of? (nt) (5.00 / 1) (#116)
by LittleZephyr on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 11:21:39 AM EST


(\♥/) What if instead of posting that comment,
(0.-) you had actually taken a knife and stabbed
("_") me in the eye? You murderer. ~ Rusty

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you and the cap'n make it happen. (3.66 / 6) (#4)
by rmg on Mon Aug 18, 2003 at 10:47:06 PM EST

or at least you better.

or else.

i won't resubscribe.

actually, i won't resubscribe regardless of what you do.

that is all.

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You're not leaving, though, right? (none / 0) (#106)
by Russell Dovey on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 08:02:10 AM EST

rmg, you're the Zenniest one here.

"Blessed are the cracked, for they let in the light." - Spike Milligan
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I'm still not going to renew my membership (4.66 / 21) (#5)
by Steve Ballmer on Mon Aug 18, 2003 at 10:47:43 PM EST

Because K5 is full of trolls.

IHBT IAWTP N/T (4.00 / 4) (#10)
by Random Liegh on Mon Aug 18, 2003 at 10:50:18 PM EST


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IAHL. HYBL? ILTEPAFLG. /nt (4.00 / 4) (#37)
by rmg on Mon Aug 18, 2003 at 11:42:43 PM EST



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OBGYN n/t (1.00 / 1) (#138)
by Spatula on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 08:59:54 PM EST


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you know (2.80 / 5) (#35)
by Wah on Mon Aug 18, 2003 at 11:36:42 PM EST

this might be a troll and all, but I agree.  Sorry, Rusty.  

Oh, this is not a big 'I'm leaving and screw you all' kind of thing, but if you aren't going to work to clean up the obvious crap, what am I paying for exactly?

Oh yea, a foundation that would help support other people set up successful Collaborative Media projects, what a great idea...and you say you've almost got the forms filled out?   Amazing.  Hell, I can slack and keep a server up, rebuilding a table from time to time, but I'm not sure if I should be paying someone else to do so.

$.02 that probably won't translate into $50 in 40 days.
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Crybaby (nt) (2.33 / 3) (#42)
by truth versus death on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 12:04:17 AM EST



"any erection implies consent"-fae
[ Trim your Bush ]
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duh, the nick's 'Wah' (2.00 / 1) (#46)
by Wah on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 12:15:23 AM EST

anyway, just someone who paid for something they didn't get.  It's called the bait and switch, not really good for the marketplace, as I understand.
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Refund (4.60 / 5) (#50)
by rusty on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 12:23:51 AM EST

If you really feel that way, I will give you a full refund, right now. I don't want anyone to feel that they paid for something they didn't get. I hate that.

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I don't want my money (4.00 / 1) (#55)
by Wah on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 12:48:29 AM EST

I want your best.

If that's too much to ask, and this is really just a side project you kinda glance at from time to time, just say so, and we'll call it a day.  Keep the cash, I don't mind keeping a server monkey off the streets.

I am responsible enough to pay for my own mistakes, and I've certainly been fooled before, but I thought there was more to k5 than what it has become (if you still haven't grasped the general tone of this critique, please click here.)  

What is has become is not worth my money.  What I thought it was becoming most certainly was.

It is my own fault, being a cynically sarcastic optimist ain't all it's cracked up to be.
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Heh (3.00 / 1) (#61)
by truth versus death on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 01:09:47 AM EST

Looks like Rusty got you.

"any erection implies consent"-fae
[ Trim your Bush ]
[ Parent ]
Or vice versa, sure enough. [nt] (4.00 / 3) (#64)
by rusty on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 01:17:00 AM EST



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teh intarweb is dying, netcraft confirms.. (4.50 / 2) (#123)
by eudas on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 01:35:40 PM EST

the way i see it, k5 is slowly going the way of slashdot. not because of any inherent flaws (actually, its inherent quality is making the transition to a trollhaven slower) , but simply because more and more people are getting bored and starting to view web boards not as places for information or discussion, but rather as entertainment.

it's really difficult to code something that inhibits people from acting a certain way; it's a social problem, and most likely needs a social solution. but getting people who are immature to grow up, or people who are bored to act serious again, is really difficult. it's hard to make people do things they just don't want to do without some kind of leverage.

it's sad and annoying, because it is a common phenomenon all over the net; so you can't just say "well, this web board has gone to shit, time to find a new troll-free one" because there isn't such a thing anymore.

feh.

trolls say they are a symptom, not a cause, that they are displaying that something is wrong. they might have a point, but they are also just justifying their own boredom and irresponsibility in ruining something. they are showing that something is wrong, but they are also feeding the negative feedback loop that continues the process and in fact makes it worse.

sigh.

maybe people need to get a little introspective, and look at why they originally came here; what attracted them to the site, and what they liked, and why they registered/subscribed and stayed. habit is keeping alot of people here that would otherwise have left out of disinterest long ago.

eudas
"We're placing this wood in your ass for the good of the world" -- mrgoat
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Right, (3.00 / 4) (#125)
by coryking on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 02:02:53 PM EST

Cause nothing is funner then reading a bunch of arrogant blowhards "seriously" "debating" some stupid story. Thats what made adequacy so great - all the regulars knew the site was full of crap, but the arrogant blowhards coming from slashdot and k5 all thought it was serious. The joke was on them. The net *is* entertainment - nothing more. If you think you are going to get a "serious" "debate" about anything you have a lot to learn about this interweb thingy. Mostly that the majority are laughing behind your back.

I'm sorry - but the old adage is true - "Arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics - Even in you win, you're still retarded". Perhaps this site is just now realizing that.

And by the way - the difference between k5 and slashdot is that the morons on slashdot take themselves so seriously, yet are so full of crap - why the hell do you thing people troll the crap out of that site?

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Where's your hammer? (2.66 / 3) (#127)
by Wah on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 02:51:18 PM EST

Thats what made adequacy so great - all the regulars knew the site was full of crap, but the arrogant blowhards coming from slashdot and k5 all thought it was serious. The joke was on them.

Umm, so great?!  Sorry, but I don't get too many kicks from lying to people and then saying, "HA!, You got so pissed and I was lying.  See how superior I am?".  That's what adequacy was.  And it was crap.  And it's dead.  I wish it was still around though, then people who thought it was worhtwhile could waste their time there.  Kinda like a mental ward of board posters.

Mostly that the majority are laughing behind your back.

While touching themselves furiously no doubt.  Yea, that adequacy was great.  A real inspiration.

The net is entertainment - nothing more.

Ugh, we can stop here.  HAND.  If they only thing you are looking for is entertainment, you'll end up thinking like this.  Congrats, you've officially made it to leisure lemming status.

I'm sorry - but the old adage is true - "Arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics - Even in you win, you're still retarded". Perhaps this site is just now realizing that.

Wow, Fark logic triumphant.   This site is only realizing that because a bunch of people who assume it is true have taken root here and are doing pretty much whatever they can to fulfill their own prophecy.  And are being encouraged along that route by rusty, unfortunately.  An 'old adage' that been around for what, 5 years now?  Well, I guess that is a long time to teenagers.

why the hell do you thing people troll the crap out of that site?

Because they get off on making other people feel stupid?   Kinda like how 'the jocks' get off making other people feel weak?
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Sorry (2.00 / 2) (#128)
by coryking on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 04:22:43 PM EST

but the fark logic is correct. Dont belive me - witness the spews thread of yore. Witness the stupid damn Iraq articles that plagued this site for months and months. Witness this stupid thread we are both in now.

It's pointless I tell you - debating "serious" crap on the internet is completly utterly pointless! And even worse (or more funny depending on your view) is when people take this stuff *seriously* and make all kinds of whiney demands. Come on!! It's the INTERWEB for christ sakes!! - we aren't even real! If you take this crap seriously - you need a life. If you think the internet will magically give you "serious" "intelligent" "debate" - you really, really need to get out into that big blue bowl more - cause you know what, it ain't gonna happen. You can pick one, and maybe two if you are really lucky but you can't have all three.

You want seriously, well thought debates? Join a debate team, cause that is about the only place you're gonna find them. And even then you'll have self proclaimed old timers bitching about how much better things were years ago. "Them damn youngins... they just dont know how to debate - it was so much better back in the day".

Quite franky, one of the best things about fark (and aq. for that matter) is its way more laid back. Nobody really gives a shit there. One of the things that used to irk me about kuro5hin is people here though what they were debating actually matered and people had "serious, intelligent debates" as if their lives depended on it. I have a friend who used to post here for a while before he stopped, saying that k5 was full of a bunch of arrogant blowhards. And he was right! K5 is WAY WAY better now cause most posters are more laid back and dont really give a shit. Thats why I keep using serious in quotes. It's pathetic. Nothing is serious on the internet, or even life for matter. Stop taking it as such.

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Yes, quite (4.20 / 5) (#152)
by Wah on Wed Aug 20, 2003 at 03:08:39 PM EST

but the fark logic is correct. Dont belive me - witness the spews thread of yore. Witness the stupid damn Iraq articles that plagued this site for months and months. Witness this stupid thread we are both in now.

And as a counter-example, look at any number of stories where it worked pretty well.  The Fark logic only works when you have a large percentage of people who have no desire for any type of discourse, and just want to out-snark each other.

It's pointless I tell you - debating "serious" crap on the internet is completly utterly pointless! And even worse (or more funny depending on your view) is when people take this stuff seriously.

We have a difference of opinion here.  Maybe you personally have been exposed to all possible viewpoints on all possible subjects, but I haven't, and enjoy working toward that unattainable goal.

It's not a matter of taking it seriously, just a matter of not having people wanking at the expense of those not clued-in.  It is off-putting and when it expands beyond a certain threshhold, hurts new recruitment for a community which leads towards stagnation and festering.

If you think the internet will magically give you "serious" "intelligent" "debate" - you really, really need to get out into that big blue bowl more - cause you know what, it ain't gonna happen.

There's nothing magic about hard work.  I'm not asking it of the Internet as a whole, such a thing is folly beyond reconning.  I would like it from here.  And it's not even that it 'all' has to be what you quote away into indeterminancy, just a decent portion of it.

You want seriously, well thought debates?

Not at all, just a feeling that if I spend my time responding to someone, in a particular controlled environment, I can have a reasonable expectation that my chain is not being pulled.  There are any number of solutions to this, but none of them have yet appeared here.

Quite franky, one of the best things about fark (and aq. for that matter) is its way more laid back. Nobody really gives a shit there.

There you go.  You want that type of 'ah fuck it all, there's nothing to learn, and nothing to know anyway, let's looks at some tits' stuff.  I don't.  Fark is fun to visit, but I don't want to live there.

K5 is WAY WAY better now cause most posters are more laid back and dont really give a shit.

Nah, just like all communities filled to the brim with people like that, it would be shit.  If that's WAY WAY better to you, great, but I think you are terribly wrong.

Nothing is serious on the internet, or even life for matter.

Yea, nothing at all.  Not a single thing on this planet worth caring about, or knowing about, or even thinking about, much less believing in.  

Thank you for fully documenting the reasoning behind the folks who are the target of my complaints.  I appreciate your honesty.
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I agree (none / 0) (#174)
by Subtillus on Mon Aug 25, 2003 at 08:24:01 PM EST

I haven't had time to do so in months, but the reason I come to K5 is the chance to have some sort of discourse about some sort of topic and hopefully learn something in the process.

This is what I understood the basis of K5 to be and if it's degenerating nowadays then that's a damned shame but it might have been bound to happen.

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What's the obvious crap? (4.33 / 3) (#43)
by rusty on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 12:07:59 AM EST

I've been accused of sounding patronizing before, so if I do now, please believe I don't mean to. When you say you want me to clean up the obvious crap, what do you mean?

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look at the ratings on this page (2.75 / 4) (#45)
by Wah on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 12:12:19 AM EST

does it need get any more obvious?

I dunno, maybe get rid of the ratings, since a 50%+ trolling population makes them rather totally useless.
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Actually (4.88 / 9) (#48)
by rusty on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 12:21:19 AM EST

I have an idea to revamp ratings pretty thoroughly. I wrote a paragraph on it above, and then erased it because I don't think it's ready to present as though it's something that will happen. And even if I say "Hey, I have this idea" it will be seen as "I'm definitely going to do this."

Aside form that, I'm sorry if you're not happy with the conversations and articles here. I agree there are things in the system that can be improved. But I'm not sure that it follows that I'm not doing my job because you're not happy with the quality of discussion. I'm not doing my job well when the site isn't running well, that's for damn sure, and it hasn't been lately. I'll grab the blame for that and run with it. Content blame, though, I'm not so comfortable taking on. I can do my best to create a system which promotes what the users consider good material, but I can't promise that everyone will be happy with what comes out..

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i dunno what crack rocks they've been smoking.. (4.33 / 6) (#51)
by infinitera on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 12:25:21 AM EST

But the ghetto is still as fun as ever. That is community, is it not? That's what I pay for. I guess some people want content or some shit like that. Magical quality content.

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I can understand that (3.33 / 3) (#72)
by Wah on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 02:10:06 AM EST

But the ghetto is still as fun as ever. That is community, is it not? That's what I pay for.

But I don't want, nor feel the need, to live and play in a ghetto.  Maybe that's the problem.  My problem, as it turns out.
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so you never click on "Diaries"? (2.00 / 1) (#96)
by infinitera on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 07:27:41 AM EST

Well, your loss.

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if you don't want the ghetto (4.00 / 3) (#108)
by phred on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 08:08:05 AM EST

theres always that luxury community where content is king!

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get out of the frying pan (3.00 / 3) (#131)
by Wah on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 05:58:47 PM EST

the fire is so much cooler.

Now where's my ice cold drink of water?
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o.k. then (4.25 / 3) (#65)
by Wah on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 01:17:25 AM EST

sI wrote a paragraph on it above, and then erased it because I don't think it's ready to present as though it's something that will happen.

Overall Impression (after the delete):  There is nothing wrong and I am doing nothing about it.

See my PR mention in another comment.  I understand your reluctance to say 'I might be doing something' and then feel the wrath of certain users when the reality is a bit different, but like I said, the impression of 'doing something' can often allay fears that 'nothing is being done.'

I agree there are things in the system that can be improved. But I'm not sure that it follows that I'm not doing my job because you're not happy with the quality of discussion.

Well, that would be true if those things that could be improved would have no impact on the quality of discussion.  If they could, in fact, improve the quality of discussion, you have been slacking and are not doing your job.  You follow?

I can do my best to create a system which promotes what the users consider good material, but I can't promise that everyone will be happy with what comes out..

Well there's the rub.  If you make no effort to control, or influence, the make-up of users, I find it difficult to find you faultless of the quality of content they produce.

This quality, IMHO, has gone down over the last year.  It was that quality, and the potential of the CMF, that pushed me over the edge to help support your endeavors monetarily.  

Now I don't have either.  Well, maybe I'll have one on Friday, but it does seem you are comfortable with the current quality of discussion (and in fact promote it) and there we will simply disagree.  You seem to have a different vision for the site than I thought you did.
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I find your anti-troll comments offensive (3.40 / 5) (#66)
by Michael Moore on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 01:21:51 AM EST

But I 5'ed you anyway, because I know a starving man when I see one.

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No doubt (3.33 / 3) (#67)
by Wah on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 01:30:37 AM EST

But I 5'ed you anyway, because I know a starving man when I see one.

Why is it that I have little difficulty seeing how you, Mr. Michael Moore, would instantly recognize a starving man.

BTW, what's your real nick?
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This is my real nick. (3.75 / 4) (#68)
by Michael Moore on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 01:37:39 AM EST

Or at least, ever since I got this account, it has been.

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How does Michael Moore recognize a starving man? (3.00 / 9) (#69)
by rusty on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 01:39:10 AM EST

He looks at anyone who isn't him.

Get it?

Because he's so fat. Because he, like, ate all the food in the world, and everyone else is starving.

Oh man, I'm so lame.

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hehe (3.00 / 2) (#70)
by Wah on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 01:56:29 AM EST

I was trying to work in something about a mirror, and being able instantly recognize something that was the opposite of what he saw, but couldn't quite work it out in 10 words or less.  Moore could put five Fortune 500 companies out of business just by going on a diet.

Ah well, maybe next time.

BTW, you do know that I love you, in a duxup kind of way.

It's a tough love, but that doesn't change its nature.  If I didn't care, I wouldn't swing so hard (and so carefully, there have been many edits on this machine tonight).
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You are so (4.00 / 6) (#78)
by Edit Queue on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 03:47:35 AM EST

sigged.

Thanks.

"Oh man, I'm so lame. -- Rusty
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entirely off-topic threadwise, on-topic storywise (3.00 / 2) (#157)
by infinitera on Wed Aug 20, 2003 at 08:40:09 PM EST

Apparently there's already a ratings fix figured out, or at least an idea floating out there?

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OK... (4.50 / 2) (#140)
by leviramsey on Wed Aug 20, 2003 at 02:10:28 AM EST

If they could, in fact, improve the quality of discussion, you have been slacking and are not doing your job.

You are making a rather large assumption, specifically, that rusty's job has anything to do with the quality of discussion (short of the trivial ensuring that there is something that could, at some level, be called discussion). The quality of the discussion is solely the prerogative of the userbase.

You seem to have a different vision for the site than I thought you did.

As near as I can tell, [over the past 17 months or so] rusty's vision of the site doesn't seem to have changed, and that vision was simple: a site where the users controlled the content and where there would be no [real?] restrictions on who could be a user. K5 has fulfilled that vision admirably, and should (as long as there is at least one user, including rusty as a user) continue to fulfill that indefinitely.



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great (2.66 / 3) (#149)
by Wah on Wed Aug 20, 2003 at 12:55:53 PM EST

As near as I can tell

you have nothing to say.   When are you going to be finished with that Moby Dick sequel, btw?

The quality of the discussion is solely the prerogative of the userbase.

And if Rusty wants to actively recruit a userbase that believes 'discussion' is a myth, then he's doing a great job.  
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[ Parent ]

sorry about that. (2.50 / 2) (#165)
by Wah on Fri Aug 22, 2003 at 02:16:09 AM EST

The quality of the discussion is solely the prerogative of the userbase.

I fully agree with this.  I'm just not sure what effort is being made to affect that userbase, which is one of the points I'll cling to.  Be it through some type of, what I hear is called, 'marketing', or some other mechanism that might draw in, to put it in racist terms, a more desirable element (hmm, curious).

As near as I can tell, [over the past 17 months or so] rusty's vision of the site doesn't seem to have changed...

I'm fairly certain I agree with you.  My venting about the CMF, trolls, downtime (which I have yet to mention, we could always blame Microsoft.  Umm, which is actually kinda accurate, their ads in the NYT about security are ... strange.  Yet they still manage to 'sell'.) notwithstanding, I agree with you.

My fairly serious question was the vigor with which that vision was being pursued.  And if it is just an experiment to see what happens, or if there is a desire on rusty's part to influence the outcome.

The people are calling for change, gosh darnit.  Let there be change.
--
kewpie
[ Parent ]

Self-interest (4.60 / 5) (#83)
by TheModerate on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 04:18:46 AM EST

"But I'm not sure that it follows that I'm not doing my job because you're not happy with the quality of discussion."

It might just be my flawed impression, but it seems to me that as the trolling and crapflooding increases, the other people---those who make this site halfway interesting---are leaving. And I would guess, and you would know better than I do, that the trolls and the crapflooders don't subscribe...

"What a man has in himself is, then, the chief element in his happiness." -- Schopenhauer
[ Parent ]

thanks (3.00 / 1) (#164)
by Wah on Fri Aug 22, 2003 at 02:06:40 AM EST

I'm sorry I left you hanging on a conversation I started so rudely a while back.  That's part of of it.  When you have to be careful, and use brevity as a hedge against wasting time, it is my feeling that it damages the ephemeral 'quality of conversation'.

After I read your comment, I had to spend 15 minutes reading up on you to find out if it was worth taking the time to research and present a solid argument.  Yea, that might be pretentious as all get out, but I like doing it.  It's like carving blocks of wood out on the back porch for me.

I very nearly live for it.

This place used to be much better for that kind of mindset.  Those types of exchanges. Perhaps the change is myself, that's always a possiblity, but I don't think so.

Ahh, a long week's worth of trying to figure out what a bunch of cheating-ass motherfucker's did with hundreds of billions of dollars puts one in quite the mood.

3 or 4 glasses of Dewar's also helps.

Short version:  Yes, it did, IMHO, use to be a bit better here.  One thing that would help is a general revamp of the moderation system, and following in /.'s footsteps once again by spoofing that friend/foe thing.  Or something, I dunno.  As usual, many people have good and bad suggestions to pick from.

And an email to the entire user base that has wandered off, after things improve, could help kickstart the engine.

/ramble off.

Have a nice day.
--
kewpie
[ Parent ]

just to weigh in (3.33 / 3) (#112)
by speek on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 09:32:37 AM EST

Personally, I couldn't agree less with Wah. The site needs to live or die based on the content provided by the users, and any management of the "quality" of that content by someone in charge defeats the point of the site. Yes, the ratings system could improve, but all the ratings do anyway is change the order of posts if the viewers wishes it to, so the most perfect rating system in the world that restricts itself to that level of interference will not beat back the evil nasty trolls. And thank god too.

Personally, I'm against any manual interference on your part. You have better things to do. Others have growing up to do - not your job.

--
al queda is kicking themsleves for not knowing about the levees
[ Parent ]

I know there's no cabal (3.66 / 3) (#121)
by aphrael on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 12:45:40 PM EST

I know there's no K5 cabal, but you should mail the idea to them anyway, just to talk about it and get feedback, before going public.

[ Parent ]
Could this deleted option perhaps involve... (4.33 / 3) (#129)
by Merc on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 05:00:19 PM EST

A user setting that allows you to hide all posts (and their replies) from given users? Sort-of an electronic "stick your fingers in your ears and go la-la-la-la-la" whenever someone who annoys you is talking?

That way, the people who want to have interesting discussions can have them, the trolls can play with eachother, and neither one gets bothered?



[ Parent ]
hi there rusty. (3.25 / 4) (#137)
by rmg on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 08:23:36 PM EST

i think you should know that i have written a little tiddy on this subject (i.e. moderation). i think you will enjoy it. and if you don't, it is just typical of your dictatorial/fascist attitude toward the community.

here it is.

you'll note the relative sincerity and brilliance of the ideas. and if not, you are a bad person.

_____ intellectual tiddlywinks
[ Parent ]

personally.. (3.75 / 4) (#47)
by infinitera on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 12:20:30 AM EST

I think it's the snarky little bitch, yearning to be free. You're not patronizing at all - just entertaining from the right perspective. ;)

[ Parent ]
Heh (4.33 / 3) (#49)
by rusty on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 12:22:44 AM EST

It's hard to not be a snarky bitch sometimes. It's awfully hard to do in text without causing offense unless the right context is built-in, so I keep it in check here. People are often shocked at what I'm like in person though. :-)

____
Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]
I agree! (none / 0) (#169)
by Spencer Parceval on Sat Aug 23, 2003 at 08:31:25 AM EST

Not only that, but it's got impersonators!

Spencer

[ Parent ]

Subscriber database (4.42 / 7) (#6)
by leviramsey on Mon Aug 18, 2003 at 10:48:13 PM EST

I would have the pieces in place to bring up a dedicated subscriber database in the future, which I think would probably be a nice feature.

I am really heartened to see this. Guaranteeing subscribers a snappy site would get a lot of people to subscribe (and make extra subscription-only features easier to do, I would imagine). Kudos.

On a related note, I have a reasonable expectation of getting, within the next few months, a large sum of money (mid to high six figures). Since that's more money than a college student can reasonably spend, I've been thinking about, when such sum comes into my possession, of making a largish ($50,000+) contribution to the CMF. However, the amount that I contribute is partially contingent on whether the CMF is a 501(c)3 organization (ie I'll probably increase the gift by at least 50% because of the tax deduction). Do you have any word on this?



Email me (5.00 / 6) (#11)
by rusty on Mon Aug 18, 2003 at 10:50:21 PM EST

If you're not totally making that up as an incentive to get me off my ass. And even if you are, honestly, keep it up, because it would probably help get me off my ass. :-)

____
Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]
That'd work? (5.00 / 11) (#36)
by ucblockhead on Mon Aug 18, 2003 at 11:41:52 PM EST

Ok...I promise you $1,000,0001 if you get off your ass!

1assuming I win the lottery
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This is k5. We're all tools - duxup
[ Parent ]

Oh man... wouldn't you be pissed, (5.00 / 8) (#58)
by terpy on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 01:06:09 AM EST

if you won a million dollar lottery...

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"I, TERPIA, PIRATE OF THE Hi-Fi pr0n, PROCLAIM MYSELF TO BE A GINORMOUS BLOODY SPARKLEY HAPPY MONKEY TESTICLES OF URINE SPLASHED FAPPOLOGY!!" -
[ Parent ]

No shit! (5.00 / 5) (#59)
by ucblockhead on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 01:09:11 AM EST

Especially since taxes take 2/3rds of that.

Luckily, I didn't buy a lottery ticket. :-)
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This is k5. We're all tools - duxup
[ Parent ]

er...I meant 1/3rd of that (nht) (5.00 / 1) (#60)
by ucblockhead on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 01:09:38 AM EST


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This is k5. We're all tools - duxup
[ Parent ]
Really? (5.00 / 1) (#80)
by crankie on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 04:05:06 AM EST

Lottery winnings over here are tax-free.

~~~
"The great thing about hardcore socialists is the silence they emit once they start earning a decent wage." - tombuck
[ Parent ]
same here (nt) (5.00 / 1) (#92)
by vivelame on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 06:38:21 AM EST



--
Jonathan Simon: "When the autopsy of our democracy is performed, it is my belief that media silence will be given as the primary cause of death."
[ Parent ]
taxes (5.00 / 2) (#126)
by ucblockhead on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 02:23:02 PM EST

In my state, it's state-tax free, but the feds take their bit.
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This is k5. We're all tools - duxup
[ Parent ]
You sir (3.00 / 2) (#63)
by truth versus death on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 01:14:14 AM EST

Need to vote turmeric for President.

"any erection implies consent"-fae
[ Trim your Bush ]
[ Parent ]
Trouble (5.00 / 1) (#119)
by ucblockhead on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 12:22:46 PM EST

I'm sorry, but I'm concentrating on the "Draft Gary Coleman for President in 2004" movement. Perhaps in 2012?
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This is k5. We're all tools - duxup
[ Parent ]
or even a $2 ticket [nt] (5.00 / 2) (#136)
by Xcyther on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 08:08:05 PM EST



_________________________________________
"Insydious" -- It's not as bad as you think

[ Parent ]
Oi (5.00 / 5) (#26)
by TheOnlyCoolTim on Mon Aug 18, 2003 at 11:17:21 PM EST

Tell me how I, soon to be a college student, can come to be the kind of guy who reasonably expects to be getting such a sum of money.

Tim
"We are trapped in the belly of this horrible machine, and the machine is bleeding to death."
[ Parent ]

Most obvious way (5.00 / 2) (#93)
by greenrd on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 06:44:11 AM EST

Easy - be a person with rich grandparents!


"Capitalism is the absurd belief that the worst of men, for the worst of reasons, will somehow work for the benefit of us all." -- John Maynard Keynes
[ Parent ]

Not all it's cracked up to be (4.00 / 1) (#142)
by leviramsey on Wed Aug 20, 2003 at 02:37:22 AM EST

I inherited six figures a few (well, 8 and 15) years ago. The balance in my trust fund is down to something like $10,000 now, after paying my latest tuition bill.

Inheritances just aren't as good as they used to be, I'm afraid. I'll actually have to put in a few hours of work to get the large sum I alluded to in my comment.



[ Parent ]
You dumb bastard (3.50 / 2) (#103)
by theElectron on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 07:50:09 AM EST

With that kind of money there's only one thing a sane person could buy.

Machine guns. Lot's of machine guns. You could buy yourself a Hummer and have an M2HB mounted on it. You could get your own M16. Wouldn't you like to have a Thompson? You could build a pillbox in your backyard and put a Vickers gun in it. For the love of god there's an honest-to-goodness Mk19 you could buy for that kind of money!

Unless you're Canadian, that is.

--
Join the NRA!
[ Parent ]

Start your own newspaper (4.00 / 2) (#117)
by The Terrorists on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 11:58:14 AM EST

It would be biased but interesting.

Watch your mouth, pigfucker. -- Rusty Foster
[ Parent ]

That's part of the future plan (5.00 / 1) (#141)
by leviramsey on Wed Aug 20, 2003 at 02:32:38 AM EST

Seriously, I have grand plans for parlaying my millions from various other ventures into a slightly more intellectual American version of the Sun. My goal is to mate the most gutter journalism possible on the gutter subjects with quality editorial and commentary (displaying a wide range of opinions; I think it would be fucking awesome to see columns like:

In his column in this newspaper yesterday, Eric Pandre's defense of gay marriage was reprehensible...

I think seeing debate in editorial pages would be dynomite!). I want to see mores more in tune with those of my target demographic. I want to see everything treated with some degree of irreverence. I want the staff to be young, ideally straight out of journalism school. No editors will be over 30 to start (and every content producer will be put out to pasture or shifted to another publication by 40). I want a paper that's willing to make fun of its competition and kick them when they're down1. And most of all:

NUDITY! NUDITY! NUDITY! PROFANITY! PROFANITY! PROFANITY!

1: going so far as to parody other media outlets; I even have this vision of, if such a paper surpasses the Boston Globe in New England circulation, running a front page story trumpeting that fact, with appropriate graphics.



[ Parent ]
Journalism school??! (4.50 / 2) (#148)
by The Terrorists on Wed Aug 20, 2003 at 08:24:53 AM EST

That's a splendid way to ruin an excellent reporter. You should recruit your staff from the already-scurrilous alternative and Web press. ;P

Watch your mouth, pigfucker. -- Rusty Foster
[ Parent ]

Well, that certainly sounds ... interesting. (5.00 / 1) (#162)
by haflinger on Thu Aug 21, 2003 at 07:33:34 PM EST

Sort of a combination of The Sun and Salon.com, only with more rightwing stuff. Maybe you should do it after all. :)

Did people from the future send George Carlin back in time to save rusty and K5? - leviramsey
[ Parent ]
I'll design the CMF site too! (5.00 / 3) (#7)
by Captain_Tenille on Mon Aug 18, 2003 at 10:48:32 PM EST

Because everyone knows I have 1337 web design skills, and am obviously not colorblind.
----
/* You are not expected to understand this. */

Man Vs. Nature: The Road to Victory!

colourblind no... (5.00 / 5) (#17)
by Run4YourLives on Mon Aug 18, 2003 at 11:04:09 PM EST

film negative corneas, maybe.

It's slightly Japanese, but without all of that fanatical devotion to the workplace. - CheeseburgerBrown
[ Parent ]
you are my hero, CT! (none / 0) (#122)
by MFS on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 01:18:41 PM EST

between you and hillct, you guys helped me a shitload with stuff at SRU, which I still very much appreciate. Have fun smacking rusty around helping rusty out...


Nope, not me. I must be someone else.
[ Parent ]

A point on the CMF (3.66 / 3) (#8)
by Silent Chris on Mon Aug 18, 2003 at 10:49:34 PM EST

I've only read this news once (maybe a reread will change my opinion) but you seem disenchanted -- perhaps even bored -- with the idea of the CMF.  Look, don't let people like myself push you into it.  If you're not interested, and honestly need to spend subscriber money on keep the site up / feeding yourself, that's fine.  As long as you let us know what you're doing with it.

Which brings me to my next point.  Most charities (and, indeed, nearly all not-for-profits) have a statement about "where your money goes".  I would like to know, before I renew my subscription again.  I'm sure others would, too.

Not bored or disenchanted (5.00 / 4) (#13)
by rusty on Mon Aug 18, 2003 at 10:56:38 PM EST

Just basically afraid. I want to do it, and I totally believe it is the right thing to do. But it's scary. That is the bulk of my bad excuse for not having done it yet. I've decided to ignore fear and do it anyway, because it will have been worth it.

But please, don't worry too much about my mental state. I'll take care of it. :-)

And of course there'll be a "where your money goes" in excruciating detail;. The books will be on the CMF site. That won't be till the organization takes over K5, though, which might be some time even with my new can-do spirit. So be advised, I guess.

____
Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]

Fear. (5.00 / 4) (#21)
by aphrael on Mon Aug 18, 2003 at 11:08:06 PM EST

The most terrifying moment of my life came just before I walked on the plane to fly halfway across the world, with no job, no friends, nowhere to stay, and no plan.

I walked through it.

It went away a few days later.

Walk through your fear, and you will come out the other side, and everything will have worked out, and you will be better for it.

[ Parent ]

I must not fear.... (5.00 / 2) (#44)
by Wah on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 12:10:23 AM EST

Fear is the mind killer.
Fear is the little death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn my inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.

-- Dune, Frank Herbert (New York: Berkley Pub., 1987, c1965)

(to encapsulate your experience in one of my favorite published quotes, and hopefully give rusty a swift kick in the ass.)
--
Fail to Obey?
[ Parent ]

growing up (none / 0) (#77)
by adiffer on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 03:09:45 AM EST

Your baby is growing up.  That's a pretty scary thing.  They become something they didn't used to be.  Of course, K5 has been doing that for awhile, right?  Nothing new there, right?

A corporation of any type creates a certain type of formality of which you probably should be a little scared.  Make sure you have someone close who has done the corporate thing before.  They won't be scared since they will already know some of the pits in which you can fall.  Listen to them when they point them out even if you don't see what they see.  If you don't have such a person on your team, draft such an advisor immediately.

If you work hard (are lucky) enough at this you will get to a point down the road when you must hand off CMF to another generation while you step back and become the gray haired 'founder'.  Until then, it is your job to create an illusion others believe long enough to shape a reality around it.  You step out when they are able to make that reality work with nothing more than your moral support and occasional pep rally.  Doing this helps prevent CMF from becoming a cult of personality and gives you an exit opportunity.  I mention this because the other thing some are afraid of is never being able to get out of something they start without it appearing as or becoming a failure.  Plan for your exit by planning for your replacements.  Create a maintainable illusion until then and don't let on that it is an illusion.
--BE The Alien!
[ Parent ]

+1 FP, Looks good :::peniz:::Q (3.00 / 4) (#9)
by peniz Q on Mon Aug 18, 2003 at 10:50:15 PM EST

Couldn't find any errors. Send it to vote.

I really like the idea of a volunteer admin to help out when you're not around. Captain_Tenille just doesn't seem to be the right person for the job. Is there no one who is a little more even tempered who can do the job (I.E. Infinitera)?

Dangerous content.

I don't think I can really trust (4.62 / 8) (#12)
by Michael Moore on Mon Aug 18, 2003 at 10:54:13 PM EST

Captain_Tenille until I see some evidence that he's a benevolent, uncompromising communist. I mean, having one brutally right-wing fascist monster (pwhysall) is bad enough, I don't think K5 can handle another.

--
"My life was more improved by a single use of [ecstasy] than someone's life is made worse by becoming a heroin addict." -- aphrael
What proof do you need? n/t (5.00 / 4) (#19)
by Captain_Tenille on Mon Aug 18, 2003 at 11:05:30 PM EST


----
/* You are not expected to understand this. */

Man Vs. Nature: The Road to Victory!
[ Parent ]

Well (4.57 / 7) (#20)
by Michael Moore on Mon Aug 18, 2003 at 11:08:02 PM EST

An assertion would be a nice start. Also, photographic or other evidence regarding your storming of the Winter Palace.

--
"My life was more improved by a single use of [ecstasy] than someone's life is made worse by becoming a heroin addict." -- aphrael
[ Parent ]
I am quite benevolent. (5.00 / 3) (#23)
by Captain_Tenille on Mon Aug 18, 2003 at 11:11:31 PM EST

Besides, I'm from lovely Olympia, WA. Remember, you spoke at Evergreen once. Just being in the same town as that school automatically makes you a Communist, even if you belong to the John Birch Society.
----
/* You are not expected to understand this. */

Man Vs. Nature: The Road to Victory!
[ Parent ]

You wantink official.. (none / 0) (#97)
by Zombie Joseph Stalin on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 07:28:58 AM EST

Zombie Joseph Stalin signs of Communist approval!? It beink guarantuee of 100% Communistic mind!

"BRAAAAAAAAIIIIIIINS! "
--The Terrorists
[ Parent ]
I wonder if this means pwhysall's out (4.33 / 6) (#24)
by Tex Bigballs on Mon Aug 18, 2003 at 11:12:02 PM EST

I can just see the new site slogan now

"Kuro5hin... now with 15% fewer unwarranted powervain diary deletions"

[ Parent ]

RUSTY APPROVAL RATING (4.58 / 24) (#15)
by Tex Bigballs on Mon Aug 18, 2003 at 11:01:30 PM EST

_
 \
  \__
     \
      \___
          \
           \
            \___
                \
                 \__
                    \
                     \_/ <---this announcement


At least that's better than Gray Davis (n/t) (4.77 / 9) (#16)
by leviramsey on Mon Aug 18, 2003 at 11:03:37 PM EST



[ Parent ]
Wow (4.20 / 5) (#22)
by truth versus death on Mon Aug 18, 2003 at 11:08:23 PM EST

Looks like Bush's approval ratings.

"any erection implies consent"-fae
[ Trim your Bush ]
[ Parent ]
i miss K5ARP :( [nt] (4.71 / 7) (#28)
by infinitera on Mon Aug 18, 2003 at 11:23:03 PM EST



[ Parent ]
I very much doubt (3.14 / 7) (#29)
by Tex Bigballs on Mon Aug 18, 2003 at 11:24:06 PM EST

he misses you

[ Parent ]
Cheer up (4.60 / 10) (#32)
by Michael Moore on Mon Aug 18, 2003 at 11:30:02 PM EST

  _     ._______
   |  |   (dont worry infinitera |
  ^^^^^^ / theres a little k5arp |
 | O |o  / /-\ in all of us!!---/
 d\   \  //   _
_____/
   DD ~
    ###


--
"My life was more improved by a single use of [ecstasy] than someone's life is made worse by becoming a heroin addict." -- aphrael
[ Parent ]
Oh ewwww! (3.00 / 2) (#98)
by Zombie Joseph Stalin on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 07:30:29 AM EST

K5ARP beink proper Communist artists making nice red flags compared to your little red crayon jottink!

"BRAAAAAAAAIIIIIIINS! "
--The Terrorists
[ Parent ]
What ever happened to... (none / 0) (#145)
by SoupIsGoodFood on Wed Aug 20, 2003 at 05:48:10 AM EST

...K5ARP anyway? I've searched for posts containing his name, but all I get are posts asking what has happened to him.

[ Parent ]
He had a kid (none / 0) (#155)
by partykidd on Wed Aug 20, 2003 at 07:08:42 PM EST

and is probably focusing on his family now.

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle


[ Parent ]

yeah, i haven't seen RogerBorg around much either. (4.20 / 5) (#34)
by rmg on Mon Aug 18, 2003 at 11:35:24 PM EST

i really miss that guy. RogerBorg, i mean. he did some really good work. very funny.

probably my favorite roger. much better than that localroger.

anyway, i just wanted to say how much i like RogerBorg...

and how much i would like to see RogerBorg start posting again... because he doesn't post much anymore...

which is unfortunate. because a lot of people like RogerBorg, and his work.

good ol' RogerBorg.

_____ intellectual tiddlywinks
[ Parent ]

That's pathetic. (5.00 / 1) (#179)
by Rogerborg on Sun Sep 07, 2003 at 04:58:16 PM EST

Keep it up. My arse ain't sufficiently polished.

"Exterminate all rational thought." - W.S. Burroughs
[ Parent ]

listen. (3.00 / 2) (#180)
by ninja rmg on Sun Sep 07, 2003 at 05:34:35 PM EST

i didn't know who you were when i wrote this. someone told me you were ascii reenactment players. that's all i was trying to get across. i did not know anything else about you.

now, since you've acted like such an idiot about this, i know about one of your other accounts. i'm not going to say anything about it though.

i never even suspected it until today. i am sorry you misread this post in the way you have. i'll never say anything about it.

you see, you don't need to be so hostile. i'm not a bad guy. just take it easy.



[ Parent ]

design (5.00 / 1) (#27)
by rhyax on Mon Aug 18, 2003 at 11:22:28 PM EST

can't you somehow trick matt haughey to do it?

never-mind the current state of his site... ;)

Heh (5.00 / 2) (#33)
by rusty on Mon Aug 18, 2003 at 11:30:08 PM EST

Matt's got a million things going on. I probably could trick him into doing it, but he designs everything these days. I wanted to see what someone unknown could come up with. :-)

____
Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]
Heh well.... (5.00 / 1) (#73)
by driph on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 02:25:07 AM EST

... I'm pretty sure I could probably have something done by the time the content is ready to go. ;]

--
Vegas isn't a liberal stronghold. It's the place where the rich and powerful gamble away their company's pension fund and strangle call girls in their hotel rooms. - Psycho Dave
[ Parent ]
CSS (2.00 / 1) (#146)
by SoupIsGoodFood on Wed Aug 20, 2003 at 05:57:34 AM EST

How about hanging around zeldman.com or ALA for a while and learn how to write some nice, lean, standards complient, backwards compatable, symaticly correct HTML code (and that means no tables), and then let people submit CSS files to you.

I don't mind giving tips on how to create nice HTML (And it's not as obvious as one might think, esspecialy if you already a coder).

And ah...Please don't judge me by my web-site, it's old, and doesn't have the same goals as the site that you're building either.

[ Parent ]

But it's been a year! (5.00 / 5) (#30)
by SocratesGhost on Mon Aug 18, 2003 at 11:25:29 PM EST

and the CMF hasn't taken over yet? I don't complain about the site, rusty, but the CMF sounds suspiciously like Vapor Corp. Has it needed this much time or --and I don't like pulling this tactic--are you going to ask people to renew again to someone who takes their time meeting expectations? You don't exactly make a convincing case at this point: when we look back at the past year I see increased trolling, monthly problems with page loads, and still no CMF. Some things you cannot control. But those that you do, I hope you resolve by the time I need to renew. I want to support you; I really do. I just need to know that it's money well spent. Please prove my growing doubts wrong.

-Soc
I drank what?


I know (5.00 / 2) (#31)
by rusty on Mon Aug 18, 2003 at 11:29:13 PM EST

And no, it doesn't take this long. Yes, it is still Vapor Corp. I'm sorry. If you want to donate to support the CMF please please please do wait until it actually exists.

____
Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]
So you are saying... (5.00 / 3) (#41)
by Wah on Mon Aug 18, 2003 at 11:57:51 PM EST

If you want to donate to support the CMF please please please do wait until it actually exists.

...I shouldn't have subscribed last year?  That was a big reason I did so.  

You once remarked how you had a talent for being in the right place at the right time, taking a trend and going with it.  Well, guess what, that kind of talent can only take you so far, and if you are happy with where it has taken you, fine, stop.  Don't push it, don't take it that extra step which requires a bit more than being on the ball and paying attention.  

Because it certainly seems like that's what you did.  Look, I hope you read the site enough to know that I don't really fuck around here, and tend to be brutally honest on all fronts, but even given that, I'm serious, you need to do some work to clean this place up.  

Or at least make it look like you are.  You know enough about PR to understand that the impression of effort can do a great deal to assuage doubts concerning said effort, but right now, the impression of that effort doesn't even exist, and the site has been suffering because of it.

Bah, enough people have bitched about it, whatever, now you have another.  See my other comment for how this particular bitch session might have a small impact on your life of leisure.  I dunno, maybe the cash-flow situation is in great shape and you feel you can safely ignore the complaints from paying customers.  I certainly hope that isn't your feeling, and don't know of many busines ventures that can sustain themselves with such a philsoophy, but there ya go.

All things tend toward chaos, although it seems to be true that an honest effort towards order can do wonders.  Such honest efforts are often rewarded, at least in my world.

And in what has become the standard closing on k5 nowadays,

HAND.
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Fail to Obey?
[ Parent ]

thank you rusty (5.00 / 3) (#38)
by circletimessquare on Mon Aug 18, 2003 at 11:43:05 PM EST

keep up the good work, your site is much appreciated ;-)

The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

yay!!! (5.00 / 1) (#39)
by ucblockhead on Mon Aug 18, 2003 at 11:43:36 PM EST

The Cap's a good man.
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This is k5. We're all tools - duxup
4 of 5 words (none / 0) (#178)
by BlueOregon on Thu Aug 28, 2003 at 05:02:43 PM EST

in your comment were okay. One made the statement false. Other than that, I agree with you.

[ Parent ]
i nominate myself (4.55 / 9) (#40)
by turmeric on Mon Aug 18, 2003 at 11:48:38 PM EST

i guarantee that as president of k5 i will improve the number of jobs in k5.

i suggest (1.00 / 1) (#53)
by truth versus death on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 12:34:58 AM EST

a tax cut for the rich

"any erection implies consent"-fae
[ Trim your Bush ]
[ Parent ]
no, no! (5.00 / 7) (#54)
by infinitera on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 12:44:27 AM EST

Deregulation and privatization. None of this communist "shared resource" crap. None of this non-profit "foundation" nonsense. K5's quality will only increase if becomes a full commodity, and competes in a perfect free-market.

[ Parent ]
Good Sir.. (3.00 / 2) (#99)
by Zombie Joseph Stalin on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 07:32:39 AM EST

I not beink able to 5 your comment. It beink blasphemy to Communists. You havink good day now.

"BRAAAAAAAAIIIIIIINS! "
--The Terrorists
[ Parent ]
you are beink (3.00 / 2) (#100)
by infinitera on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 07:34:20 AM EST

Trolled.

[ Parent ]
Good capitalictic piggy Sir.. (1.00 / 1) (#101)
by Zombie Joseph Stalin on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 07:38:57 AM EST

I not carink! I beink Communist! I havink ethics and morality! Also, havink I eatink your brain yet?!

"BRAAAAAAAAIIIIIIINS! "
--The Terrorists
[ Parent ]
no, it is beink (5.00 / 1) (#102)
by infinitera on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 07:39:50 AM EST

Defective. We established this already.

[ Parent ]
That not beink important. (3.00 / 2) (#104)
by Zombie Joseph Stalin on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 07:52:00 AM EST

it only matterink whether brain is tasty! capitalism always leavink foul taste in mouth! So I would never eatink brain of Michael Moore, rusty, pocide, President George Bush1, Tex Bigballs, DJ Glock, rmg, eudas, Chantros, and many others on k5! Me not knowink about Pol Pot though, he beink quite hungry, and usink a lot of sauce! I not likink lots of sauce!

1 Providink he actually havink one.

"BRAAAAAAAAIIIIIIINS! "
--The Terrorists
[ Parent ]

i don't know.. (5.00 / 2) (#105)
by infinitera on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 07:53:32 AM EST

I would suspect anarchists leave a foul taste too. You did include them in your list of people to purge, so I gotta assume it was because they previously tasted bad.

[ Parent ]
They usually tastink bit better than.. (3.66 / 3) (#109)
by Zombie Joseph Stalin on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 08:13:29 AM EST

capitalistic piggies! Excellent for brainshake! Easy to make! Takink about 5 anarchist brain, puttink brain into blender, addink some strawberry sauce, a hint of basil, and one or two scoop of vanilla or chocolate sauce! Very tasty! Very refreshink !!

"BRAAAAAAAAIIIIIIINS! "
--The Terrorists
[ Parent ]
That, Sir, was brilliant! (nt) (1.00 / 1) (#57)
by decaf_dude on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 12:59:59 AM EST


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http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=89158&cid=7713039


[ Parent ]
So (5.00 / 2) (#88)
by pinkcress on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 05:04:08 AM EST

What is your position regarding the ducks?

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damnit all these 'facts' getting in the way of my writing - turmeric
[ Parent ]
He should privatize them... (none / 0) (#147)
by Ayn Rand the Objectivist on Wed Aug 20, 2003 at 06:15:45 AM EST

Then sell them to KFC. They'd never know the difference.

[ Parent ]
YHBT (3.60 / 5) (#52)
by grouse on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 12:33:14 AM EST

Very few people who talk about it all the time care about the CMF. By your acquiescence to making the CMF reality, it looks like the trolls have already won.

But wait! Even though you appear to acquiescing here, there is still no CMF!!! Could it be that the CMF is simply the greatest troll of all time?

You sad bastard!

"Grouse please don't take this the wrong way... To be quite frank, you are throwing my inner Chi out of its harmonious balance with nature." -- Tex Bigballs

Don't give in.. (4.92 / 13) (#56)
by Dinner Is Served on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 12:51:09 AM EST

I know it's hard not to ignore those piercing, girlish tones of (duxup) and (ucblockhead), but try your hardest. While it may be a large salary for the GNU/Linux crowd, the users who are in touch with reality (me), do know that it only costs $2.00 a month to get a subscription.

A McDonalds #4 Value Meal costs more than that, yet I don't charge into their establishment and demand that the manager give me financial statements, monthly store updates, and 24/7 drive-through time.

I honestly hope you get some persepective, Rusty. Take a few days off, I think you need a break from these people.
--
While I appreciate being able to defend against would-be rapists who might suddenly drop in from the sky, I don't appreciate not being able to see the Northern Lights. -- mfk
Well, (4.50 / 2) (#115)
by riceowlguy on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 10:21:00 AM EST

actually, it costs $4/mo to get a subscription that's worth anything, i.e. has the diary watchlist/new reply monitor features.

I'm still sort of in limbo as to whether I'll resubscribe or not. A lot of my favorite people on here aren't posting anymore. And I really don't need another excuse to not do my job during the day.

"That meant spending the night in the living room with Frank watching over me like some kind of Lovecraftian soul-stealing nightmare creature-Azag-Frank[ Parent ]

Don't take life too seriously, (none / 0) (#175)
by Subtillus on Mon Aug 25, 2003 at 08:55:53 PM EST

You'll never get out alive.

-Van Wilder

[ Parent ]
Holy Fuck rusty! (2.50 / 4) (#62)
by terpy on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 01:13:43 AM EST

What's with all these stupid site news" update thingies clogging up the front page? ;P

Seriously though, thanks.

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"I, TERPIA, PIRATE OF THE Hi-Fi pr0n, PROCLAIM MYSELF TO BE A GINORMOUS BLOODY SPARKLEY HAPPY MONKEY TESTICLES OF URINE SPLASHED FAPPOLOGY!!" -

rusty is a smart heterosexual (4.62 / 8) (#71)
by TheophileEscargot on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 02:07:42 AM EST

Thanks... this is great news. I think this will help a lot.

But does this mean that Captain_Tenille is now the official joke poll option?
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Support the nascent Mad Open Science movement... when we talk about "hundreds of eyeballs," we really mean it. Lagged2Death

This is kinda offtopic (5.00 / 2) (#74)
by mcc on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 02:43:13 AM EST

To Rusty: This article is a very, very good thing. Thank you for addressing our concerns.

Anyway, something that's more or less offtopic, but I'm not really sure where it would be ontopic so i'm going to say it now:

Has anyone else noticed that the FAQ atm does not even mention the existence of the Edit Queue? Shouldn't something be done about this?

I noticed this after last night a newbie wound up pulling then resubmitting an edit-queue story becuase he couldn't figure out how to move to vote.. so I went to refer him to the edit queue section of the FAQ and realized it wasn't there. It isn't quite just a matter of a missing section though, some bunches of random rewriting need to be done becuase of things the edit queue changes (things like the section, "Q. How do I get advice on my story before posting it? A. Email editors@kuro5hin). I'd try to come up with some text myself but, well, to be honest, I've never submitted a story.

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Aside from that, the absurd meta-wankery of k5er-quoting sigs probably takes the cake. Especially when the quote itself is about k5. -- tsubame

Re: FAQ (5.00 / 2) (#118)
by driph on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 12:12:35 PM EST

I'm sure there are quite a few other things the FAQ doesn't mention, as it's a bit out of date. Updating the FAQ is one of those somewhat tedious items that has been sitting on the To Do list for a while... I'd like to get at it when I can, but if anyone is interested in helping with the rewrite, let us know.

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Vegas isn't a liberal stronghold. It's the place where the rich and powerful gamble away their company's pension fund and strangle call girls in their hotel rooms. - Psycho Dave
[ Parent ]
I'll help. (5.00 / 1) (#120)
by aphrael on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 12:42:42 PM EST

I'll try and mail something in this afternoon.

[ Parent ]
Excellent (5.00 / 2) (#135)
by driph on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 07:44:03 PM EST

I've started cleaning up some of the more obviously outdated material, but there's a lot that will need to be rewritten and updated to be current...

Send any changes to me or to help@k5, and I'll give em a once over and update the FAQ accordingly. Thanks!

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Vegas isn't a liberal stronghold. It's the place where the rich and powerful gamble away their company's pension fund and strangle call girls in their hotel rooms. - Psycho Dave
[ Parent ]

FAQ Update (5.00 / 2) (#143)
by driph on Wed Aug 20, 2003 at 03:23:23 AM EST

I've gone ahead and updated a good deal of the FAQ, however the Submission/Moderation sections still need to be updated to include current features. If you want to write something for that, go for it and lemme know, otherwise I'll probably do it myself in the next few days.

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Vegas isn't a liberal stronghold. It's the place where the rich and powerful gamble away their company's pension fund and strangle call girls in their hotel rooms. - Psycho Dave
[ Parent ]
-1, site news [nt] (1.33 / 3) (#75)
by the77x42 on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 03:03:45 AM EST




"We're not here to educate. We're here to point and laugh." - creature
"You have some pretty stupid ideas." - indubitable ‮

Site Design (3.00 / 1) (#76)
by antizeus on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 03:08:52 AM EST

Don't use any graphics. A header here, a list there, maybe a couple of horizontal rules.
-- $SIGNATURE
This doesn't go far enough. (4.20 / 5) (#81)
by Ta bu shi da yu on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 04:06:13 AM EST

I say we remove all html elements. The CMF site should go totally minimalist and be made entirely out of whitespace. I think this will allow Lunix users who use non-standard, non-compatible browsers free access to the site, and it'll reduce maintenance too!

Yours humbly,
Ta bù shì dà yú

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AdTIה"the think tank that didn't".
ה
[ Parent ]

Further optimization possible (none / 1) (#177)
by xL on Wed Aug 27, 2003 at 10:01:58 AM EST

All those SCO/Linux browsers understand GZIP encoding. GZIP is the code the GNU communist party stole from SCO. By enforcing the encoding, bandwidth costs can be further minimized.

[ Parent ]
now with site news (3.50 / 4) (#79)
by techwolf on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 03:49:29 AM EST

being a regular thing, I can justify becoming a paying subscriber once again. thank you Rusty.<P.
"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." - Thomas Jefferson
Thanks Rusty (4.50 / 4) (#82)
by bugmaster on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 04:16:54 AM EST

This "new site news" has finally pushed me (and, presumably, other users as well) into re-subscribing.

However, do you think it would be possible to post a short financial breakdown in each monthly update ? Something to the extent of:

  • Hosting Fees: $10k
  • Monocle Polish: $100... per can
  • Having a discussion site where users control the content: priceless
Basically, I am just curious where all this money is going; it's my natural instinct as a taxpayer. I don't think there's a need to wait for CMF to fully develop before posting the balance sheet... er... unless there is some legal reason for it ?
>|<*:=
um... (none / 0) (#161)
by Run4YourLives on Thu Aug 21, 2003 at 05:13:32 PM EST

This "new site news" has finally pushed me (and, presumably, other users as well) into re-subscribing.

Basically, I am just curious where all this money is going;

Am I the only one laughing at this? What's with modern society that we pay extra for something just to work as advertised, even when we're concerned about where the money is going...

Ah capitalism...

It's slightly Japanese, but without all of that fanatical devotion to the workplace. - CheeseburgerBrown
[ Parent ]

Thanks again (5.00 / 4) (#84)
by S1ack3rThanThou on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 04:32:50 AM EST

Communication, s'all we wanted! Cheers.

"Remember what the dormouse said, feed your head..."
What's the old saying... (1.33 / 3) (#85)
by Ta bu shi da yu on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 04:36:31 AM EST

... behind every good man there's a good woman?

Yours humbly,
Ta bù shì dà yú

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AdTIה"the think tank that didn't".
ה

Brown-nose! (1.00 / 3) (#86)
by Ta bu shi da yu on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 04:38:46 AM EST

Sycophant, parasite, suck-up... Oh. Wait a second. I posted that comment.

Carry on, nothing to see here!

Yours humbly,
Ta bù shì dà yú

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AdTIה"the think tank that didn't".
ה
[ Parent ]

you forgot to switch accounts... (none / 0) (#90)
by monkeymind on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 06:26:28 AM EST


I believe in Karma. That means I can do bad things to people and assume the deserve it.
[ Parent ]

I know, I know... (5.00 / 1) (#113)
by Ta bu shi da yu on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 09:56:21 AM EST

It's just the rusty account gets overused! I was trying not to wear it out so fast.

Yours humbly,
Ta bù shì dà yú


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AdTIה"the think tank that didn't".
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[ Parent ]

Excellent. (5.00 / 2) (#89)
by hulver on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 06:01:16 AM EST

Thanks for that.

P.S. Have you applied the fix to stop normal users rating 0'd comments? This comment was < 0 when peniz Q rated it 5. If somebody with only 32 comments can be a TU, then something needs tweeking.

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HuSi!

no it isn't (5.00 / 2) (#95)
by infinitera on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 07:21:46 AM EST

Scenario: User A is looking at a dynamic comment. User B, during this time, zeros it. User A tries to rate it.. wtf happens? It's not a bug that users without TU can rate hidden comments. It's a feature. We are, after all, biased towards unhiding comments. I can't believe rusty would just patch that willy nilly without a discussion. Nor change any other part of ratings.

[ Parent ]
I'm sorry, but it is a bug. (5.00 / 1) (#110)
by hulver on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 08:35:38 AM EST

Seeing as the code was already there to try and prevent it, but it just didn't work.

If User A has zeroed it unfairly, then other trusted users will unhide it.

--
HuSi!
[ Parent ]

Yes, it's a bug (5.00 / 1) (#111)
by ad hoc on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 09:31:40 AM EST

it's to prevent the creation of dozens of accounts with the sole purpose of unhiding a comment. That needs to be prevented.


--

[ Parent ]
Unless I'm mistaken (5.00 / 1) (#139)
by leviramsey on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 11:53:43 PM EST

This would occur regardless of what comment view User A is using, as long as the comment is served out before it's rated.

If one thing could be cleared up for me (too lazy to look at Scoop): assuming that K5 uses InnoDB for the ratings table(s) (which seems to be a safe assumption), how are the transactions organized in a bulk rating (ie, multiple ratings from one page)? Is it all done in one transaction or is each rating a transaction? If it's the first (which would almost certainly be better from a performance standpoint), then this bug could be caused by the simple fact of that design, thanks to InnoDB's consistent reads.



[ Parent ]
vector search (5.00 / 3) (#91)
by nusuth on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 06:30:42 AM EST

Have you looked into latent semantic analysis? With content word count, I think I can implement LSA on top of vector search trivially. I think that would improve relevance of hits quite a bit and it will decrease search time and space requirements too (except for one time only dictionary creation phase, which is time and space consuming)

BTW, thanks for the report.

Re: vector search (none / 0) (#132)
by Pistol on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 06:36:57 PM EST

LSA is not particularly update friendly, you'd have to recompute the SVD at certain intervals and that's a big computational hit.

[ Parent ]
Repeated SVD is for academics (none / 0) (#144)
by nusuth on Wed Aug 20, 2003 at 05:05:05 AM EST

We mere mortals just assume words' meaning don't change over time and just average once-SVDed represetations of them for new docs.

In fact I'm inclined to just add random independent vectors for represenatations and compare the cosines of documents without any LA whatsoever. I've had very promising results with that approach during my HRR research but I'm not sure if that can scale (I used to use vector sizes of several million dimensions, a bit too high when you have 4 bytes per dimension and millions of documents to represent.)

[ Parent ]

feel free to join in. (none / 0) (#150)
by pb on Wed Aug 20, 2003 at 01:28:18 PM EST

I'll be the first to admit that I have no experience with the vector space searching stuff, and the example code was never designed to scale. I did manage to cut down on the memory usage a ton by using sparse PDLs, but there are still a lot of things left to be done.

As for LSA, it sounded like it would be a very cool addition to the search engine, and anything that would decrease search time and space requirements would be quite welcome. K5 has a lot of data to search, as you might well imagine.

Also, if you want to talk about or help with the searching stuff, feel free to join us in #scoop on irc.slashnet.org.
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"See what the drooling, ravening, flesh-eating hordes^W^W^W^WKuro5hin.org readers have to say."
-- pwhysall
[ Parent ]

I don't have any RW search experience either (5.00 / 1) (#153)
by nusuth on Wed Aug 20, 2003 at 03:30:15 PM EST

I'd be happy to salvage some utility form my aborted thesis on holographic reduced representations but I will need some handholding to do so. For starters, I don't know perl.

Also I don't think I can really reduce space requirements if you are clever about storing sparse vectors.

[ Parent ]

no experience necessary; inquire within. :) (none / 0) (#154)
by pb on Wed Aug 20, 2003 at 04:38:08 PM EST

Seriously, we're somewhere between the idea stage and the trial coding stage on this one, so what you know about searching is much more interesting to us than what you know about perl at this point.

It depends on what you mean by 'clever', I suppose, but it looks like PDL::Sparse does a decent job of it. Native perl datatypes are rather bloated in comparison, but they still beat out non-sparse representations, of course.

I'm curious, what language(s) were you programming in for this, if any?
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"See what the drooling, ravening, flesh-eating hordes^W^W^W^WKuro5hin.org readers have to say."
-- pwhysall
[ Parent ]

I'm a chemical engineer (5.00 / 1) (#159)
by nusuth on Thu Aug 21, 2003 at 04:08:33 AM EST

We write FORTRAN in every language. For this particular thesis job, I was writing FORTRAN in C++.

It depends on what you mean by 'clever', I suppose, but it looks like PDL::Sparse does a decent job of it.

With LSA one doesn't have to have a vector length of vocabulary size. Although I don't know how many dimensions are required for a decent k5 search engine (and I don't know if it is possible to know that in advance either) something on the order of a thousand would probably suffice. Unlike booleans of vector search, those are floats. So there should be no contest unless you store every zero to a bit. A dumber cleverness is quite enough.

Good news is that you don't have to store all floats in memory to start searching; a single XOR on sign bits can prune much of the unrelated material before full reps are used to calculate cosines (actually dot product.)

I logged onto IRC last night but it was very silent. I'll try again when I'm home.

[ Parent ]

heh (none / 0) (#173)
by joeyo on Sun Aug 24, 2003 at 11:15:33 PM EST

We write FORTRAN in every language.

Such a great quote, and so bloody true.
/joeyo

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"Give me enough variables to work with, and I can probably do away with the notion of human free will." -- Parent ]

Merci (4.00 / 4) (#94)
by me0w on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 07:02:21 AM EST


I believe all suffering is caused by ignorance. People inflict pain on others in the selfish pursuit of their happiness or satisfaction. - HH the Dalai Lama
Good deal. (3.66 / 3) (#107)
by Canthros on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 08:04:29 AM EST



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It's now obvious you are either A) Gay or B) Female, or possibly both.
RyoCokey
Sweet (4.00 / 3) (#114)
by CarryTheZero on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 10:20:56 AM EST

This is excellent. Thanks!

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You said I'd wake up dead drunk / alone in the park / I called you a liar / but how right you were
iTunes users: want to download album artwork automatically? Now you can.
Yay! (3.33 / 3) (#124)
by LilDebbie on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 01:46:21 PM EST

You finally allowed a backup sysadmin! And it only took months and months of badgering!

Seriously, thanks for allowing the Cap to take some of the load off your shoulders. Question: is he getting paid?</flamebait>

My name is LilDebbie and I have a garden.
- hugin -

The [redacted] bit has been leaked (3.00 / 1) (#130)
by wji on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 05:48:38 PM EST

It was published in the New Scientist and mainly involves Rusty running out of shampoo and saying life on this island in Maine "basically sucks".

Come on, somebody will get the reference.

In conclusion, the Powerpuff Girls are a reactionary, pseudo-feminist enterprise.

This seems like good news (5.00 / 1) (#133)
by HidingMyName on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 07:10:29 PM EST

K5 is much speedier now (I had very long lag during daytime access for the last few months). Although I'm not a subscriber, I do appreciate your efforts. I think additional admin help will make things run more smoothly.

On a side note, I've got a few questions.

  • The first story I had posted on K5 no longer appears under my account when I click on my stories? Was it too long ago, was it purged, or did it get archived off line?
  • Did you change the trusted user threshold settings?

    I hope this doesn't sound like whining, but not knowing the algorithm for computing mojo, I can't tell why I lost TU status. My TU status disappeared about 1 month or so ago, I've had it lapse after a few weeks of inactivity in the past, but I was only gone for 2 weeks in the early summer, and the lapse occurred in mid July. I've been posting regularly (at a modest rate) and my comments ratings would appear to average above 4 (just based on a quick examination).



Archived stories (5.00 / 1) (#156)
by driph on Wed Aug 20, 2003 at 08:11:26 PM EST

Regarding your first question, after clicking on Your Stories, check the "Search Archive" box when the results come up and then click on Search. It should bring up everything you've posted then.

(Short answer, yes they are archived, but still online)

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Vegas isn't a liberal stronghold. It's the place where the rich and powerful gamble away their company's pension fund and strangle call girls in their hotel rooms. - Psycho Dave
[ Parent ]

Thanks for the tip (none / 0) (#158)
by HidingMyName on Wed Aug 20, 2003 at 09:41:15 PM EST

I think the story got archived when it exceeded 1 year old, but I didn't know the trick to view it.

[ Parent ]
CFM? I get it now! (5.00 / 4) (#134)
by Pluto on Tue Aug 19, 2003 at 07:41:46 PM EST

These are terrific remarks and a promising update. I was flying along until I reached the subhead: "CFM Stuff." Huh?

I finally located the original vision:

      Introducing the Collaborative Media
      Foundation

posted by rusty exactly one year ago, today.

IMHO, this whole thing needs needs to be quietly stashed until further notice for the following reasons:

  1. No one really wants to do it (except the folks who get upfront fees for forming this unnecessary and cumbersome structure).
  2. The non-profit, altruistic structure won't help the vision happen.
  3. The non-profit, altruistic structure may prevent the vision from happening.
  4. The structure itself will not bring in secretly hoped for grants and endowments.
  5. The community world and its virtual future has changed drastically since one year ago, today.
  6. If you HAD done it as stated one year ago, it would already have become something you don't recognize, if it still existed.
  7. The very people you are doing it for will come to resent you for doing it.
  8. The very groups you are doing it for will attempt to discredit you (in order to stand on top of your failure for commercial or political reasons).
  9. Somewhere in your instincts you KNOW all of this and you don't really want to do it. Which is why you haven't.
Trust your instincts. It will be a huge relief and will open the way to a sharper direction for K5, in all its evolutionary brilliance.

BTW, the site does seem snappy lately.
_______________________________________
Burgeoning technologies require outlaw zones... deliberately unsupervised playgrounds for technology itself. -- William Gibson

memcached (5.00 / 4) (#151)
by Nurgled on Wed Aug 20, 2003 at 01:39:42 PM EST

I don't know much about K5's infrastructure and setup, but if you haven't already you might want to look into using memcached to take some of the load off your databases. It's already being used by LiveJournal and slashdot, and SourceForge are reportedly going to be using it soon. If the majority of requests are reads and you've got either spare RAM on your web servers or some cheap boxes with lots of RAM, memcached can be a good performance win.

I like that idea (none / 0) (#176)
by xL on Wed Aug 27, 2003 at 09:51:25 AM EST

I like it so much, I think I'm going to steal it. Seems to me that this screams for an NNTP implementation using it.

[ Parent ]
those complaining about trolls/level of debate (3.75 / 4) (#160)
by city light on Thu Aug 21, 2003 at 04:20:53 PM EST

What about sites like plastic.com? that seems to have a consistent flow of great intelligent (but not excessively dry) debates going with a minimum of arsey trollery. Maybe you should be looking at what they're doing right that isn't being done here? I know the moderation scheme isn't quite the same, it's not as much of a 'collaborative media' thing as Kuro5hin, but still. The way debates are set up there works really well.

My theory:
I think what you actually need to do is distinguish more between debates and articles. Articles should be more self contained as informational things, or pieces of prose or whatever, with the 'comment on article' thing being less prominent. 'Debates' should be set up with a short, well-written, engaging few sentences to get people talking, and the rest of the layout/space devoted well to user interaction and debate. That would mean less 'ranty' type articles trying to provoke people, as these would instead have to be submitted as debates (and it would be a requirement that the debate introduction had some semblance of neutrality to it, even if it's clear what the poster's opinion is).

Pictures (2.50 / 10) (#163)
by StrifeZ on Fri Aug 22, 2003 at 12:18:55 AM EST

How about instead of all your fancy server side gizmos that no one gives a shit about (except when K5 actually loads fast, that in itself is a bit touch and go), you allow people to post pictures in articles and have the picture actually show up.

This linking no picture thing is very very lame.


KITTENS@(_%&@%@_($&@(_$&^@$()&@%@+(&%
WTF! (2.00 / 3) (#166)
by StrifeZ on Fri Aug 22, 2003 at 11:53:06 AM EST

Oh what the fuck did that deserve a 1 for you dumbass.


KITTENS@(_%&@%@_($&@(_$&^@$()&@%@+(&%
[ Parent ]
K5 Pictures Considered Harmful (none / 0) (#167)
by Hillgiant on Fri Aug 22, 2003 at 03:01:29 PM EST

This is a bad idea for many reasons. The biggest two being (a) more load on already overtaxed hardware and (b) open invitation for goats.cx type hijinks.

And you thought Diaries were a good idea carried too far.

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[ Parent ]

Bad Reasons (none / 0) (#168)
by StrifeZ on Fri Aug 22, 2003 at 05:03:43 PM EST

Ok. Instead of a new moped, Rusty should buy better servers.

Both of your arguments are impossibly bad reasons


KITTENS@(_%&@%@_($&@(_$&^@$()&@%@+(&%
[ Parent ]
One reason: (5.00 / 1) (#170)
by bigbtommy on Sat Aug 23, 2003 at 11:26:27 AM EST

goatse.cx

I rest my case.
-- bbCity.co.uk - When I see kids, I speed up
[ Parent ]

Yeah right... (2.00 / 3) (#171)
by StrifeZ on Sat Aug 23, 2003 at 11:38:04 AM EST

Oh get over it you pussy. That kid of logic is like the Talibans - "lets ban all music because a slim portion of it is offensive".

You know, sometimes k5 makes me wonder...


KITTENS@(_%&@%@_($&@(_$&^@$()&@%@+(&%
[ Parent ]
Another reason (none / 0) (#181)
by Intelligentsia on Mon Sep 15, 2003 at 04:23:03 AM EST

Trying to read somebody's dumb-ass comment with 50 animated GIFs distracting you.

We need to prove that we can spread rumors just like the mainstream media.—waxmop


[ Parent ]
Benchmark? (5.00 / 1) (#172)
by The Devil on Sun Aug 24, 2003 at 08:06:39 AM EST

If you want another programmer to help you out, I'd be willing.

Do you have a benchmark between vector searches and SQL searches involving the key where searchword like '%keyword%'?

I'm guessing that MySQL has this implemented pretty darn good. I was once running a wordlist of about a million rows and executing searches in that list in under .003 seconds using microtime() to benchmark it.

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