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New Users Re-opened

By rusty in Site News
Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 01:14:07 PM EST
Tags: Kuro5hin.org (all tags)
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Well, tmenezes stern demands in the queue cowed me.* And the general opinion, amongst both users and staff here, was that sponsorship was a stupid idea. In principle, I don't agree (though it did need some changes from the original concept), but I'm willing to go along with the tide. Hopefully I will get a chance to try out sponsorship somewhere else in the future. So new user accounts are open again, without any changes.

We've had a bit of a cooling off period, I've kicked out a pretty hefty number of idiots (who I expect to have to kick out again and again, but what the hell). There are a few more people with the powers and mandate to keep an eye on new users and nip the annoying ones in the bud. There are also a couple features coming to help the rest of you let us know who is being a jerk.

Meanwhile, those of you who've emailed me asking when you could get an account, the time is now. Enjoy.

* No, not really. Actually they would have been open before he posted that, but I had to get Voxel to fix a problem with our mail server.


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New Users Re-opened | 429 comments (429 topical, editorial, 9 hidden)
wow (2.66 / 12) (#1)
by reklaw on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 01:17:05 PM EST

That was unexpected.
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And for my next trick (2.64 / 14) (#3)
by rusty on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 01:19:50 PM EST

I will produce live monkeys from my ass.

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]
I think that's already been done... (2.16 / 6) (#12)
by skyknight on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 01:35:55 PM EST

Isn't there a web site with a guy demonstrating the aftermath of having done that?

It's not much fun at the top. I envy the common people, their hearty meals and Bruce Springsteen and voting. --SIGNOR SPAGHETTI
[ Parent ]
Might want to photoshop his wife into it ;) [nt] (2.22 / 9) (#18)
by Mike Green Challenge on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 01:41:43 PM EST



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Aspies for Ron Paul
[ Parent ]
I seem to recall... (2.28 / 7) (#25)
by skyknight on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 01:47:43 PM EST

that having already been done as well.

It's not much fun at the top. I envy the common people, their hearty meals and Bruce Springsteen and voting. --SIGNOR SPAGHETTI
[ Parent ]
HTM? nt (none / 1) (#179)
by mcgrew on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 07:21:37 PM EST


"The entire neocon movement is dedicated to revoking mcgrew's posting priviliges. This is why we went to war with Iraq." -LilDebbie
[ Parent ]

but rusty... (2.75 / 4) (#183)
by kpaul on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 07:38:38 PM EST

that trick *never* works ;)


2014 Halloween Costumes
[ Parent ]

Keep your sexual preferences to yourself [jk, nt] (2.40 / 5) (#229)
by RadiantMatrix on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 12:48:03 AM EST


"In any sufficiently large group of people, most are idiots" - Kaa's Law

[ Parent ]
staff? (2.71 / 14) (#2)
by thekubrix on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 01:19:09 PM EST

theres staff here?!

you should seriously consider putting a hierarchy up of who actually runs this place on a day to day basis...........who can we complain to? You're always going to take the brunt of the anger unless you show who supports you on an official level....

The brunt of anger (2.81 / 11) (#5)
by rusty on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 01:22:43 PM EST

I've always felt like it was ok for me to take the brunt of the anger, since I'm the only one who makes any money at all from the site, and I'm also the only one who it will be pretty much impossible to drive away through bitching. Plus, actions taken by any of the admins are ultimately my responsibility. The rest are all volunteers, and there doesn't seem to be anything to be gained from having them held up as targets of complaint.

However, as always, email to help@kuro5hin.org will be received by anyone who might be able to help, and so it's always prefereable to emailing me directly.

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]

Good (2.42 / 7) (#49)
by nkyad on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 03:19:08 PM EST

Anyone who can be driven away by simple bitching should not have his or her name published in the Internet.

Don't believe in anything you can't see, smell, touch or at the very least infer from a good particle accelerator run


[ Parent ]
You clearly underestimate... (2.25 / 4) (#188)
by Elendale on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 07:59:22 PM EST

What a bunch of whining, irresponsible bitches the majority of those who complain about K5's demise are. "Oh, please fix the site for me!", "I don't know what the '0' rating is for and even if I did I'd be too wussy to use it!", "I like to have sex with expensive food products!", etc.

Though that isn't to say that there aren't some problems (as i complained about a looooooong time ago) with the K5 moderation system- but people seem to forget they're in a community-moderated site. Personally, i think we should bring back untrusted users. And make all new accounts untrusted. You can post when we tell you to post!


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[ Parent ]
Nit: (none / 3) (#51)
by RobotSlave on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 03:23:23 PM EST

I don't think you can honestly call C_T a "volunteer" anymore, as you and he are both getting paid by Armstrong Zuniga to work on Scoop.

Well, he is, anyway. I suspect you're getting paid to wave your hands and spout half-baked what-if scenarios involving Scoop or Moveable Type or Democratic Intarwebs or whatever. And more power to you, brother.

[ Parent ]

Well (2.66 / 6) (#61)
by rusty on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 03:34:05 PM EST

I don't pay him to help on K5. So here, he is a volunteer.

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]
Perhaps. (1.14 / 7) (#126)
by RobotSlave on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 06:16:29 PM EST

That's debatable, rusty.

Particularly given the fact that your mutual employer appears to be an astroturfing outfit dolled up as a "new media" consulting firm.

[ Parent ]

Pretty weak (2.50 / 6) (#197)
by rusty on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 08:47:27 PM EST

Hey, weren't you going to "out" all of our clients or something? What happened to that?

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]
Weak? (1.20 / 10) (#225)
by RobotSlave on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 12:11:24 AM EST

If it's so weak, then why won't your clients let you tell the public who they are?

I haven't had the time to dig up references to your outfit in FEC filings, but what on earth makes you so smug? The only way you'd be able to be certain that I (nor anyone else) could find anything would be if you hadn't managed to land a single client other than the Dean campaign.

Now, don't you have some TrackBack "engineering" to do, or something?

[ Parent ]

Smugness and objectivity. (none / 2) (#228)
by RadiantMatrix on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 12:42:48 AM EST

I haven't had the time to dig up references to your outfit in FEC filings, but what on earth makes you so smug?

Probably two things make rusty smug.  First, he's getting paid craploads of money.  Second, he likely understands that the Federal Elections Commission (FEC) doesn't really have anything to do with his outfit.  Possibly the SEC (Securities and Exchange Commission) does...

"In any sufficiently large group of people, most are idiots" - Kaa's Law

[ Parent ]

Um... (1.37 / 8) (#233)
by RobotSlave on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 01:20:24 AM EST

...come back once you've figured out what business Armstrong-Zuniga is in, smart guy.

[ Parent ]
Better yet (1.16 / 6) (#266)
by Pvt Pyle on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 09:22:43 AM EST

Could you tell us all what the friggin point would be?

[ Parent ]
My favorite thing about dorks (1.06 / 16) (#198)
by Kax on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 08:55:40 PM EST

is their fucking fantastic senses of humor!

Like e-mail addresses: "blahblah@SPAMMAKESBABYJESUSCRYsatansomethingorother.com"

Funny in a smirking sort of way, and just a touch bit sacriligious to add some coolness factor.  Certainly he who created that is hyperintelligent.  Ho ho ho.  Whatever.  I'm sure he still gets beaten up if he hasn't grown too fat to be assailed.

And like rusty here: "I will produce live monkeys from my ass."

Uproarious!  I almost can't finish watching Life of Brian because I'm so amused.  What a mouthbreather.

[ Parent ]

Typo!! (2.33 / 6) (#133)
by sllort on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 06:26:34 PM EST

"since I'm the only one who makes any money at all from the site"

I think you've badly misspelled "the CMF" there buddy. "I'm" doesn't even rhyme.
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Warning: On Lawn is a documented liar.
[ Parent ]

By definition; non-profits do not make money (2.66 / 3) (#139)
by RandomLiegh on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 06:30:31 PM EST

so, therefore, the CMF did not make money. ever.


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Thought of the week: There is no thought this week.
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[ Parent ]
That's not true. (none / 0) (#406)
by haflinger on Tue Aug 03, 2004 at 08:19:04 PM EST

Not-for-profit organizations, under most tax codes, are required to reinvest any profits in their non-profit enterprise.

So, for example, the SCA may well make money, but it has to put the money back into the enterprise, doing stuff like printing next year's TI or making nice tabards.

Okay, I don't actually know what the SCA does (other than pay for TI), but they must have something. :)

Did people from the future send George Carlin back in time to save rusty and K5? - leviramsey
[ Parent ]

I'm right here. Bring it. (2.33 / 3) (#21)
by misfit13b on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 01:45:46 PM EST

No, not really.  But feel free to complain to me if it makes you feel any better.  ;^)

[ Parent ]
Hello. (none / 3) (#45)
by Skinny Beltbuckle on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 03:13:30 PM EST

Hi. :-)

[ Parent ]
Hi! (none / 3) (#50)
by misfit13b on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 03:20:17 PM EST

Your usernames just keep getting weirder and weirder, man.  Keep it up.  :^)

[ Parent ]
Hello ;-P (none / 1) (#390)
by ghugle on Sat Jul 17, 2004 at 07:39:43 AM EST

werd

[ Parent ]
The Red Sox Suck (n/t) (1.80 / 5) (#105)
by willj on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 05:25:59 PM EST



[ Parent ]
That's hitting below the belt! (none / 3) (#261)
by misfit13b on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 08:45:00 AM EST

Goddamn Yankee fans!  ;^)

[ Parent ]
Yay! (2.64 / 25) (#4)
by sllort on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 01:20:14 PM EST

Rusty for CMF President!
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Warning: On Lawn is a documented liar.
i second that. ;) /mt (2.00 / 5) (#182)
by kpaul on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 07:35:29 PM EST


2014 Halloween Costumes
[ Parent ]
Thanks. (1.40 / 5) (#6)
by squigly on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 01:26:40 PM EST

I'll stop trying to destroy the site then ;)

Oh no! (2.66 / 3) (#7)
by lonelyhobo on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 01:26:45 PM EST

The elite cabal of those with accounts being able to lord it over "the others" is over!

There's no reason left to go on

Solution (2.40 / 5) (#23)
by JyZude on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 01:46:47 PM EST

I can give you a GMail account if you're looking to lord over intarweb people.

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[ Parent ]
Re: Solution (none / 1) (#71)
by nlindstrom on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 03:47:36 PM EST

I already have a GMail account! Ah hah! Hah, hah, hah! Muahahahaha!

Ah, damn. Everybody I know has a GMail account. I do believe the l33t factor has been diluted to the point of being utterly worthless as a bragging point.

[ Parent ]

Nooo! NT (none / 0) (#73)
by Cro Magnon on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 03:49:40 PM EST


Information wants to be beer.
[ Parent ]
Judging by new signups (3.00 / 4) (#80)
by rusty on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 04:12:04 PM EST

Everybody has a gmail account. I hereby declare that, by sheer numbers alone, it is now cooler not to have one.

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]
Hmm (none / 1) (#84)
by ZorbaTHut on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 04:20:53 PM EST

This puts me in a quandry. I work at Google, and yet I haven't gotten a GMail account yet. Should I preserve my GMail-less status, thus keeping myself in an uber-elite group with probably very very few members?

Or is it just dumb to work at Google and not have GMail?

[ Parent ]

No (3.00 / 6) (#113)
by rusty on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 05:44:24 PM EST

IMO, the coolest people are those who have had an opportunity to get a gmail account, and turned it down. Me and you, buddy. We're like the fucking James Dean and Harvey Keitel of total dorks.

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]
What? (none / 0) (#163)
by yicky yacky on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 07:06:09 PM EST

Over-rated and half-dead?

:)




yicky yacky
**************
'The actual reasonable Britons are correct, you're being a cock.' - Hide The Hamster.
[ Parent ]
At the spectrum's other end (none / 1) (#175)
by mcgrew on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 07:15:59 PM EST

I know people without an EMAIL account!

"The entire neocon movement is dedicated to revoking mcgrew's posting priviliges. This is why we went to war with Iraq." -LilDebbie
[ Parent ]

Re: At the spectrum's other end (none / 0) (#204)
by benw on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 09:19:36 PM EST

Wash your damn mouth out.

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"vanilla-licking sofa-humpers". funny.
[ Parent ]
When you speak the name of the Buddha (none / 0) (#350)
by losthalo on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 10:47:09 PM EST

wash out your mouth!

[ Parent ]
Odd membership critera (none / 1) (#187)
by static on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 07:48:53 PM EST

"The only way to be a member is to not be a member?" Hmm. Maybe that doesn't make as much sense on the screen as it did in my head.

Wade, who also declined a gmail account.


[ Parent ]

With you on that man (none / 1) (#203)
by GenerationY on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 09:16:21 PM EST

can I be Marlon Brando (when he was thin?)

[ Parent ]
Brando in Streetcar [nt] (none / 3) (#207)
by rusty on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 09:31:51 PM EST



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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]
No no. (none / 0) (#264)
by LukeyBoy on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 08:56:39 AM EST

It's much cooler to get the account, never use it and not bother to send anyone an invite.

[ Parent ]
this comment (none / 0) (#328)
by phred on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 05:40:09 PM EST

makes me want a gmail account.

[ Parent ]
Yes! (none / 0) (#122)
by squigly on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 06:10:28 PM EST

Get an @google.com email address instead.  Then you'll be truly a bunch of arbitrary numbers.

[ Parent ]
re: Yes! (none / 0) (#173)
by ZorbaTHut on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 07:12:17 PM EST

I have one. It's for corporate email, which gmail isn't. ;)

[ Parent ]
I don't have one (none / 0) (#106)
by zrail on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 05:32:21 PM EST

And I don't want one. So nyah!

(Setting up email server #2 on my brand-spanking-new-to-me Sun Ultra 5 as we speak.)

[ Parent ]

Let me get this right (none / 0) (#107)
by RandomLiegh on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 05:32:28 PM EST

You can restrict certain sites from being used as an email address (eg: bigmail.com?) and you didn't see the abuse potential behind the @gmail.com addresses and restrict it before you opened the flood-gates?

Did you simply say "well, fuck it" or what?

Second question; has anyone signed up using rusty@gmail.com yet (or could you tell)?

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[ Parent ]

What are you gonna do? (3.00 / 4) (#112)
by rusty on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 05:42:49 PM EST

Hotmail and yahoo are both already used for troll accounts rampantly. They're also used for regular users rampantly. Banning by email address only works in a tiny number of cases, where someone has some unique domain that they can create an arbitrary number of addresses from. And even if you do that, they just start using hotmail or yahoo. I assume gmail is the next in the lineage. Basically, an email address is just about the world's lowest membership hurdle. There's really no getting around that.

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]
very true. (none / 2) (#150)
by rmg on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 06:43:49 PM EST

unfortunately, this is all we seem to hear from you -- ways not to keep crapflooders out. do you have any particular ideas to do the opposite, i.e. keep crapflooders out?

as you know, i have a lot of ideas, none that you seem interested in, however, so i very much want to know what you know that you think i don't. what are your ideas going forward? or do you have any?

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stalinism

dave dean
[ Parent ]

LOL! (none / 2) (#176)
by mcgrew on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 07:17:58 PM EST

"My idea has no chance whatever of actually working, but wouldn't you consider it any way?"

You must work for the government.

"The entire neocon movement is dedicated to revoking mcgrew's posting priviliges. This is why we went to war with Iraq." -LilDebbie
[ Parent ]

i'm sorry, (none / 1) (#178)
by rmg on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 07:19:38 PM EST

what did you think my idea was?

when you have answer to that, please get back to me.

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stalinism

dave dean
[ Parent ]

Indeed. (none / 0) (#291)
by i on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 01:08:34 PM EST

I publicly display mine vor this very reason.

and we have a contradicton according to our assumptions and the factor theorem

[ Parent ]
I never got a Gmail account. (none / 2) (#151)
by handslikesnakes on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 06:44:14 PM EST

They're cliché now, so anyone who did is a sellout.
Nyah.

[ Parent ]
TROLL (2.72 / 11) (#8)
by Farq Q. Fenderson on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 01:32:58 PM EST

No way! You're just trying to trick me into logging out.

;)

farq will not be coming back

News (2.40 / 5) (#11)
by thekubrix on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 01:34:39 PM EST

Is this any indication that we may be receiving consistant news updates?

I doubt it (2.87 / 8) (#15)
by rusty on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 01:37:34 PM EST

It is an indication that you will receive news updates when I have news to report. I guess I would say that there will consistently be updates when there's news. So, in that case, yes. There will be consistent reports when there's news.

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]
what about the monthly updates? (none / 2) (#58)
by reklaw on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 03:28:45 PM EST

I mean, you could at least write a little note once a month that says "hey there, nothing to report really". And then people can shout at you in the comments about the search not working or whatever.
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[ Parent ]
Well, yeah, I could (none / 2) (#64)
by rusty on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 03:37:51 PM EST

But, think about it. Would you? Every month -- "Here I am! Kick me!"

No thanks.

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]

So would you prefer (none / 0) (#70)
by Cro Magnon on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 03:46:54 PM EST

it if we flamed you behind your back instead?
Information wants to be beer.
[ Parent ]
Well (none / 3) (#78)
by rusty on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 04:10:29 PM EST

Technically everything you post here I can actually read. So it's kind of hard to flame me behind my back. But as to your general gist, I personally feel kind of beholden, when I post a story, to read the comments, and often to respond to them. I mean, why would I post a story if I didn't care what the comments had to say? So, by a process of reverse osmosis (or something) why should I post a story if I don't have anything to tell you and I in fact don't expect to care very much what the comments have to say, or have any useful response to them?

I anyone has anything they really want to get off their back, I do encourage them to post to the diaries. I read most of them, and I read all of them that seem in some way addressed to me. I know, I know, but it's been a long time and I really just can't help it. So if you want to flame me elsewhere, I'll probably see it.

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]

so why not post the monthly story, too? [nt] (none / 1) (#90)
by reklaw on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 04:30:28 PM EST


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[ Parent ]
wow (none / 1) (#138)
by emmons on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 06:29:33 PM EST

You used to be far more benevolent. I'm not trying to accuse you of wrongdoing or anything, but what happened?

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[ Parent ]
I got old and grumpy (none / 1) (#205)
by rusty on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 09:20:11 PM EST

I'm still benevolent. I'm just not quite as careful to be nice all the time as I used to be. Honestly, I'm a lot more like I actually am now than I ever used to be*. I guess I'm just more comfortable now.

* Diagramming that sentence might help.

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]

Dude that is a great quote (none / 0) (#290)
by Pop Top on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 01:05:51 PM EST

"Honestly, I'm a lot more like I actually am now than I ever used to be" Can I use it as a short story title?

[ Parent ]
Sure (none / 1) (#297)
by rusty on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 01:55:21 PM EST



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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]
Actually, the basic idea is good (none / 0) (#300)
by Pop Top on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 02:01:57 PM EST

but the expression needs some editing and sharpening up. . . Remember, everyone needs an editor, especially George Lucas.

[ Parent ]
Proposed edits (none / 0) (#301)
by Pop Top on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 02:04:35 PM EST

I am more like me now than I ever was before.

- or -

I'ze mo' me dan evah befo'

- or -

I be me, not you.
 

[ Parent ]

Perfection! (none / 0) (#302)
by Pop Top on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 02:06:16 PM EST

Noz' days I'ze be mo' me 'den evah befo'

[ Parent ]
Why do people kick you? (none / 2) (#243)
by Melissa Rent5 Parakeet Cynic on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 03:51:24 AM EST

We know a story about that, but it's not a given.  Do people kick hulver every time he posts a diary?

If not, why not?

This account has been disabled. You are invited to check the comment history (including the parent comments) and draw your own Ko5clusions as to why.
[ Parent ]

Thank you. (2.75 / 12) (#13)
by mcc on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 01:36:04 PM EST

nt

Thank god (2.50 / 14) (#14)
by Aunt Jemima on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 01:36:09 PM EST

I was running out.

Thanks!!!111one (1.60 / 5) (#16)
by curien on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 01:39:29 PM EST



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All God's critters got a place in the choir
Some sing low, some sing higher
good luck! (1.36 / 11) (#17)
by phred on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 01:41:15 PM EST

a bit of advice. delete the user id "rusty" and never again confess to running k5. hopefully that'll help re any influx of new trolls.

Again, good luck!

Hooray! (2.66 / 9) (#19)
by misfit13b on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 01:41:52 PM EST

Wait a sec, I already have an account.

You can register more! (none / 3) (#22)
by lonelyhobo on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 01:46:01 PM EST

There's probably at least 50 people registering 50 accounts each as we speak!

(not me)

[ Parent ]

Kudos to them for their efforts. (none / 2) (#26)
by misfit13b on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 01:48:27 PM EST

Their sweat makes my high UID look minutely more impressive.

[ Parent ]
Ooh, look at me... (none / 2) (#44)
by skyknight on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 03:13:24 PM EST

I'm talking to someone whose UID is in the 30k range... I'm slumming!

Damn, and I was sooo close to being in the exclusive four digit club.



It's not much fun at the top. I envy the common people, their hearty meals and Bruce Springsteen and voting. --SIGNOR SPAGHETTI
[ Parent ]
You think you were close? n/t (3.00 / 5) (#48)
by Captain_Tenille on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 03:19:07 PM EST


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Man Vs. Nature: The Road to Victory!
[ Parent ]

What was your... (none / 0) (#56)
by gzt on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 03:27:37 PM EST

...round number trick?

[ Parent ]
Wow, that's harsh... (none / 0) (#60)
by skyknight on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 03:34:00 PM EST

though oddly suspicious. I bet you registered for a bunch of accounts in a row. Presumably there exists a "Captain Tenille" with a UID 9999.

It's not much fun at the top. I envy the common people, their hearty meals and Bruce Springsteen and voting. --SIGNOR SPAGHETTI
[ Parent ]
Nope. (none / 1) (#75)
by Captain_Tenille on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 03:52:43 PM EST

I didn't notice my uid for a couple of days after I joined. There is a "Captain Tenille" account, but it's somewhere in the 13,000's.
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Man Vs. Nature: The Road to Victory!
[ Parent ]

Well, you must be happy to know... (none / 0) (#77)
by skyknight on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 04:07:30 PM EST

that on the rare occasions that you win out against great odds that the victory is of no monetary value. :-)

It's not much fun at the top. I envy the common people, their hearty meals and Bruce Springsteen and voting. --SIGNOR SPAGHETTI
[ Parent ]
I call bullshit (none / 0) (#379)
by coryking on Fri Jul 16, 2004 at 12:13:53 AM EST

As an editor of this site, you sir, were hooked up :-)

[ Parent ]
Alas, no, I was not hooked up. (none / 0) (#380)
by Captain_Tenille on Fri Jul 16, 2004 at 02:11:33 AM EST

I was on this site for nearly 3 years before I became an editor. Besides, I would have stolen uid:3 or something.

I did, however, get a blanket.
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/* You are not expected to understand this. */

Man Vs. Nature: The Road to Victory!
[ Parent ]

4 digits? (none / 2) (#53)
by pwhysall on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 03:24:21 PM EST

I'd weep.
--
Peter
K5 Editors
I'm going to wager that the story keeps getting dumped because it is a steaming pile of badly formatted fool-meme.
CheeseBurgerBrown
[ Parent ]
Wow, you are way out of my league... (2.75 / 4) (#62)
by skyknight on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 03:35:25 PM EST

Not only do you have a three digit UID, but it's the service port number for SSL. You are just dripping with coolness.

It's not much fun at the top. I envy the common people, their hearty meals and Bruce Springsteen and voting. --SIGNOR SPAGHETTI
[ Parent ]
An addendum (2.83 / 6) (#27)
by lonelyhobo on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 01:49:46 PM EST

As I was browsing through K5, I met a 50 accounts each from 50 guys
each guy had 50 diaries
each comment had 50 comments
each comment had 50 0s

0s, comments, diaries and guys, how many browsed through K5?

[ Parent ]

One! (3.00 / 8) (#29)
by rusty on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 01:52:05 PM EST



____
Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]
You saw "Die Hard 3"! nt (2.66 / 6) (#165)
by mcgrew on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 07:08:58 PM EST


"The entire neocon movement is dedicated to revoking mcgrew's posting priviliges. This is why we went to war with Iraq." -LilDebbie
[ Parent ]

Guiness Book Of World Records (none / 3) (#72)
by Empedocles on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 03:48:03 PM EST

claims that is the oldest mathematical riddle.

The original text for those not familiar with it:

As I was going to St. Ives,
I met a man with seven wives.
Each wife had seven sacks,
Each sack had seven cats,
Each cat had seven kits.
Kits, cats, sacks, and wives,
How many were going to St. Ives?

---
And I think it's gonna be a long long time
'Till touch down brings me 'round again to find
I'm not the man they think I am at home

[ Parent ]

Fresh meat is always tastier /nt (none / 3) (#142)
by mcgrew on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 06:34:08 PM EST


"The entire neocon movement is dedicated to revoking mcgrew's posting priviliges. This is why we went to war with Iraq." -LilDebbie
[ Parent ]

thank you (1.25 / 4) (#20)
by JyZude on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 01:45:23 PM EST

Although I don't know why this affects me. I don't have any alternate accounts. Maybe I should get one...?

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k5 is not the new Adequacy k thnx bye


I don't either (none / 0) (#140)
by mcgrew on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 06:33:09 PM EST

But the idea is that new blood is always good. Well, almost always...

"The entire neocon movement is dedicated to revoking mcgrew's posting priviliges. This is why we went to war with Iraq." -LilDebbie
[ Parent ]

never trust a .cx domain (none / 0) (#303)
by pakje on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 02:13:54 PM EST

still got nightmares from goatse

[ Parent ]
Thanks, have renewed my subscription (2.25 / 8) (#24)
by R Mutt on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 01:46:48 PM EST

Well, actually it's the first under this account, but you get the idea.

Fix the search, and I'll buy an ad too. $$$ COULD BE YOURS!!!
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Coward... Asshole... from the start you kept up the appearance of objectively posting interesting links.

thanks rusty. (2.00 / 6) (#28)
by Russell Dovey on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 01:51:56 PM EST

Now I can shed this ugly, lame-name account and transcend into my true form.

"Blessed are the cracked, for they let in the light." - Spike Milligan

Yay! (2.63 / 11) (#30)
by dstillz on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 01:53:40 PM EST

Yay!

I finally get to see what Scoop looks like to a registered user.  I thought I was going to have to download and install it, or join some lame site that didn't interest me.

Heh (2.50 / 6) (#55)
by grouse on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 03:26:44 PM EST

I finally get to see what Scoop looks like to a registered user. I thought I was going to have... join some lame site...
Oh, the irony. Welcome, my brother.

You sad bastard!

"Grouse please don't take this the wrong way... To be quite frank, you are throwing my inner Chi out of its harmonious balance with nature." -- Tex Bigballs
[ Parent ]

Hi rusty, (2.76 / 25) (#31)
by pb on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 01:55:01 PM EST

Sorry we seem to have missed each other, but at least you got *something* done.

Also... next time, consider using the edit queue. In short:

s/tmenezes/tmenezes'/
s/a stupid/an incredibly misbegotten, horrifically stupid/
s/chnace/chance/
s/who/whom/
s/There's/There are/

And that's just mechanics; the grammar needs a lot more work. Also, resection to Meta. :)
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"See what the drooling, ravening, flesh-eating hordes^W^W^W^WKuro5hin.org readers have to say."
-- pwhysall

plus, no body text! i *hate* that. ;) /mt (2.75 / 4) (#200)
by kpaul on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 08:57:22 PM EST


2014 Halloween Costumes
[ Parent ]
Yay! (2.50 / 4) (#32)
by aphrael on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 01:55:40 PM EST

Thank you! :)

Hooray for rusty! (2.00 / 2) (#33)
by Cro Magnon on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 01:57:24 PM EST

I take back half of the bad things I've been saying about you!
Information wants to be beer.
I liked the sponsorship idea (2.60 / 5) (#34)
by CodeWright on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 02:00:38 PM EST

Darn it all.

Hey! I'm an oldtimer! Look at me!

--
A: Because it destroys the flow of conversation.
Q: Why is top posting dumb? --clover_kicker

Seriously, I did too (3.00 / 4) (#35)
by rusty on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 02:06:02 PM EST

And I do think it'll come in handy somewhere. Who knows, maybe here, later.

I had changed the original plan some. What I was going to do was provide an area where prospective new users could just post something about themselves, and potential sponsors could choose to sponsor anyone they thought looked like a good bet. The idea was that new users would automatically get a sort of "guide" to keep an eye on them, who could do most of the work of easing people into the community and forming ties. It wouldn't do much good for abuse, as those intending to do that would generally just sponsor themselves in. But the sponsorship chains would make it somewhat easier to track that as well.

However, realistically, there are things that matter more. So I'll try to get those done first.

____
Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]

invite system (none / 0) (#39)
by JyZude on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 02:35:07 PM EST

I really like the Google invite system that they use on Orkut and GMail. Basically it just prevents people from signing up ten different accounts, since accounts are more difficult to get, but it avoids the messy sponsorship problems. You could transparently limit the number of invites users get based on that users' comment ratings or perceived "value" to the site.

Unfortunately, all of these schemes will limit the ability of users to wander in off the virtual street. A brokering system is definitely necessary, and perhaps a probationary system.

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k5 is not the new Adequacy k thnx bye


[ Parent ]
You know that does not work, right? (none / 1) (#59)
by nkyad on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 03:30:23 PM EST

invitedList.add(me);
invitedIndex=0;

void createTrolls(user user){
   while (user.hasInvitation()){
      newname=randomize(names[]);
      invite(newname);
   }
   invitedIndex++;  
   createTrolls(invitedList.get(invitedIndex));
}

Don't believe in anything you can't see, smell, touch or at the very least infer from a good particle accelerator run


[ Parent ]
bool user::hasInvitation(void) (none / 0) (#240)
by Melissa Rent5 Parakeet Cynic on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 03:46:20 AM EST

{
  return (rand()%10000000 == 0);
}

This account has been disabled. You are invited to check the comment history (including the parent comments) and draw your own Ko5clusions as to why.
[ Parent ]
Critical difference (none / 2) (#69)
by Cro Magnon on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 03:44:43 PM EST

GMail is kewl. K5 is not. Nobody's goning to beg for a K5 account.
Information wants to be beer.
[ Parent ]
Hell, I could have 10 gmail accounts if I wanted. (none / 0) (#109)
by RandomLiegh on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 05:39:07 PM EST

but I don't; so......

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Thought of the week: There is no thought this week.
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[ Parent ]
The "Meat Market" section? (none / 2) (#47)
by nkyad on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 03:16:43 PM EST

I still think there are simpler, kinder things that could help before trying a full sponsorship system. Age-old suggestions like a grace period before a user can post to the queue, a scaled-ban (a day, a week, a mont, a year, a eon) system based on comment moderation, a queue ban system based on a "spam" button, etc. All this are obviously subject to game and abuse, but given some way balance out troll wars (or wars against specific users) the userbase could well police itself.

Don't believe in anything you can't see, smell, touch or at the very least infer from a good particle accelerator run


[ Parent ]
Meat market... I like the sound of that (none / 2) (#57)
by grouse on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 03:28:09 PM EST

"Will sponsor user for heterosexual sex."

You sad bastard!

"Grouse please don't take this the wrong way... To be quite frank, you are throwing my inner Chi out of its harmonious balance with nature." -- Tex Bigballs
[ Parent ]

Already been done. (none / 2) (#67)
by Empedocles on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 03:42:44 PM EST

They call it "Slashcode" and it's a flaming piece of crap.

---
And I think it's gonna be a long long time
'Till touch down brings me 'round again to find
I'm not the man they think I am at home

[ Parent ]
I still think your sponsorship idea is workable... (none / 0) (#252)
by gusnz on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 06:29:47 AM EST

(Welcome back Rusty!)

The problem to which most people objected was the fact that it wouldn't offer new users an incentive to stay around and go through an ardurous sponsorship process.

Instead, since you said a while back that you had the code largely written, why not change it so that new accounts can be created and post comments and stories to the queue, but cannot rate comments or post diaries until they are sponsored by an existing user? Well, of course you could tweak the privileges a little, but hopefully you get the general idea -- sponsorship is a new method of creating a Trusted Users group that are trusted not to abuse the most abusable features of the site. And users have an incentive to sign up and contribute whilst going through the sponsorship process, perhaps via an open "sponsorship requests" area as you suggest.

If it turns out that diaries etc. are still getting abused, it'd still be easy to delete the responsible chain of accounts as you outlined under the previously proposed system. Voila. The only problem is that not everyone can post diaries or rate comments (making it undemocratic?), in which case you may want to restrict sponsorship to diary-posting only in that case.

Anyway, I hope this is food for thought, if you haven't already considered and rejected the idea :).


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[ Parent ]

Porkchop Sandwiches!! (2.60 / 10) (#36)
by tap dancing lenin puppet on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 02:08:06 PM EST

... thank you.

Now I can actually start recommending the site to my friends again.

Holy Fucking Shit (n/t) (none / 0) (#361)
by ender81b on Thu Jul 15, 2004 at 04:57:12 AM EST



[ Parent ]
For anyone who is mightily confused... (none / 0) (#368)
by tap dancing lenin puppet on Thu Jul 15, 2004 at 12:13:17 PM EST

http://www.fenslerfilm.com/?sec=video

Download PSA07.  In fact, download them all.  They're hilarious.

[ Parent ]

Thx rusty! /nt (2.15 / 13) (#37)
by MotorMachineMercenary on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 02:18:08 PM EST


--
"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."
-- George Orwell


Oh crap. (2.00 / 4) (#38)
by yicky yacky on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 02:31:17 PM EST

Now I have to come back ...




yicky yacky
**************
'The actual reasonable Britons are correct, you're being a cock.' - Hide The Hamster.
Damn. (2.35 / 14) (#40)
by RobotSlave on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 02:47:30 PM EST

Looks like I gave you too much credit, rusty. But aside from the fact that you didn't do any work at all, this has ended exactly as I predicted.

What I'm curious about is what really motivated this, as you've sort of dodged the question with a lame joke. Was it the collapse in ad sales, perhaps?

I had a nice break (2.90 / 10) (#63)
by rusty on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 03:36:17 PM EST

I was burned out. I had a nice break. And others convinced me we didn't need sponsorship.

I did miss your exciting conspiracies and incessant whining though. Do you think this will win you back from HuSi full-time? Oh, how I do hope so. :-)

____
Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]

How to get me back from HuSi (3.00 / 7) (#98)
by grouse on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 04:55:45 PM EST

Oh, rusty, you had me at "New Site News."

To be honest I miss the old K5 diary section. I feel like half of it has gone missing over to HuSi. But I have trouble reading much HuSi. The mix is just all wrong. K5 is still closer to a good mix.

You sad bastard!

"Grouse please don't take this the wrong way... To be quite frank, you are throwing my inner Chi out of its harmonious balance with nature." -- Tex Bigballs
[ Parent ]

Me too (2.71 / 7) (#110)
by rusty on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 05:40:04 PM EST

Not to diss Hulver or the folks over there in any way, but I haven't been able to get into it. I don't know what it is, even, since quite a few of the posters there are the ones I used to read here. I just... forget to go there a lot. And when I do check in, I find myself skimming and moving on more often than not. I don't know -- maybe I didn't like most of those people very much after all. ;-)

I do miss johnny and iGrrrl a lot though. It makes me sad that they have moved on. Hm. Now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure I have both of their phone numbers. Maybe I should just call them. :-)

____
Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]

It's spelled 'dis,' taco. (none / 3) (#130)
by RobotSlave on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 06:19:58 PM EST



[ Parent ]
I dare say it doesn't help (none / 2) (#158)
by gazbo on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 07:00:17 PM EST

That on the occasions that you did post a comment, all you got was reply after reply of invective and "fix teh search, looser!"

Kinda makes it hard to participate in a discussion when all responses are apropos of something entirely different on a different site.

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Topless, revealing, nude pics and vids of Zora Suleman! Upskirt and down blouse! Cleavage!
Hardcore ZORA SULEMAN pics!

[ Parent ]

hey gazbo, (2.50 / 4) (#206)
by rmg on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 09:22:27 PM EST

what's up with rusty's comments anyway? a search turns up nothing and there's no button to search the archive. what's the deal, man?

_____

if i do not respond, it is because you wrote nothing worthy of response.

dave dean[ Parent ]

Archive is offline (none / 2) (#248)
by gazbo on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 04:32:41 AM EST

Due to server performance problems - "It's the Scoop way!"TM

And as he said, he's not posted recently, so there's probably nothing in his comment list.

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Topless, revealing, nude pics and vids of Zora Suleman! Upskirt and down blouse! Cleavage!
Hardcore ZORA SULEMAN pics!

[ Parent ]

Oh yeah (none / 3) (#166)
by gazbo on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 07:09:03 PM EST

Pssst.  Not quite the same, but still makes it easier to keep up :-)

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Topless, revealing, nude pics and vids of Zora Suleman! Upskirt and down blouse! Cleavage!
Hardcore ZORA SULEMAN pics!

[ Parent ]

The essence of what is HuSi was inevitable (2.60 / 15) (#218)
by osm on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 10:48:15 PM EST

Hulver had nothing but the best of intentions. He just wanted to do some coding on Scoop. Nothing wrong with that. He's done some good work too and deserves the notoriety he has received.

The problem, the blandness, comes from the reason everyone went there. They left K5 for the new frontier, knowing that Hulver would stamp out trolls, Lockwoods, Republicans and other undesirables. These people, in their mad quest for a discussion forum that catered to their sense of eliteness, neglected to consider that they are stagnating their gene pool.

There is no way for HuSi to evolve. The random element has been removed. It will forever be the same tired people making the same tired arguments about the same tired subjects. Well, at least until they graduate college and discover the real world. But they will probably mentor other seedlings to take their place. But it will still stagnate, because they will only mentor people of the same bent.

Although, he did run my ad for the Natalie Portman site, so I have to give him my warmest regards for that.

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4thelulz.org
[ Parent ]

"Graduating college" (2.71 / 7) (#227)
by ucblockhead on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 12:19:31 AM EST

That must be why the "same tired subjects" is usually "my baby make poopy!".
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This is k5. We're all tools - duxup
[ Parent ]
You're thinking of Slashdot (2.83 / 6) (#242)
by Melissa Rent5 Parakeet Cynic on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 03:49:09 AM EST

HuSI is a London wine bar catering for career professionals, with a token Northerner in the corner drinking bitter and eating pies.

This account has been disabled. You are invited to check the comment history (including the parent comments) and draw your own Ko5clusions as to why.
[ Parent ]
P.S. (2.80 / 5) (#270)
by osm on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 09:34:47 AM EST

Oh, and I LOVE the "fash" section.

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4thelulz.org
[ Parent ]

Huh. (none / 1) (#299)
by blixco on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 01:56:51 PM EST

Well, we do have The Hole, if you need more kuro5hin-diary-ghetto-type stuff.
-------------------------------------------
The root of the problem has been isolated.
[ Parent ]
Well (2.83 / 6) (#306)
by Sir Robert Abooey on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 02:54:38 PM EST

Sure, HuSi is sort of an adult place where all the people who stared trolling at slashdot (high school) and moved onto K5 (college) went to when they finally got a job and turned 30 and got boring.

Heck, we geneally talk about the best ways to remove old wall paper and the best times of the year to fertalize your lawn, stuff like that. Yeah, it's not as much fun as slushing hot grits down your pants or talking about the rave you went to over the weekend however I think it's a natural progression for Internet Trolls.TM

And just to show there are no hard feelings, next week is "Making the most out of those small closet spaces" week in the diary section at HuSi and you're all invited to drop by and join in the discussion!!!!

Warmest Regards,
-Sir Robert Abooey

[ Parent ]

Ha (none / 0) (#307)
by rusty on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 03:20:10 PM EST

If that's true, I might fit in there after all.

I shall have to check in for the closet space tips. We need them.

____
Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]

Shucks (none / 1) (#382)
by iGrrrl on Fri Jul 16, 2004 at 11:38:02 AM EST

"You miss me!" Actually, I've missed you, too.

I think johnny isn't posting anywhere much, what with being the bicoastal information architecture god again, with a book on the hoof. I'm not posting much anywhere, either. As I said in my first Husi diary since May, we have three careers, two small kids and a band; thus, no time.

But I do stop by K5 now and again.

--
You cannot have a reasonable conversation with someone who regards other people as toys to be played with. localroger
remove apostrophe for email.
[ Parent ]

HuSi? (2.66 / 3) (#127)
by RobotSlave on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 06:17:28 PM EST

What's that?

[ Parent ]
Husi is hulvers' site (none / 0) (#153)
by RandomLiegh on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 06:45:37 PM EST

here.

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Thought of the week: There is no thought this week.
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[ Parent ]
Who's Hulver? (none / 2) (#164)
by RobotSlave on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 07:06:30 PM EST

The body of your comment appears to be blank. Could you give me a little more info?

[ Parent ]
I really couln't be any clearer (none / 1) (#171)
by RandomLiegh on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 07:11:28 PM EST

Than Hulver is himself in the FAQ to HuSi.

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Thought of the week: There is no thought this week.
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[ Parent ]
Oof (none / 1) (#202)
by rusty on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 09:13:29 PM EST

I had you confused with someone else. Sorry about that. I take back the part about HuSi.

____
Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]
Hey Ed, (none / 1) (#265)
by it certainly is on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 08:57:30 AM EST

it's this site here.

HTH. Say, when are you gonna open account creation again on adequacy.org?

kur0shin.org -- it certainly is

Godwin's law [...] is impossible to violate except with an infinitely long thread that doesn't mention nazis.
[ Parent ]

'conspiracy theories?' (2.25 / 8) (#134)
by RobotSlave on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 06:27:16 PM EST

You mean like reminding you regularly that you've promised several times to put K5 under the auspices of a nonprofit organization, but to date failed to do so?

If that's "incessant whining," then sure, I'm an incessant whiner. It's also possible that I'm simply trying to hold you to your word, but I guess it's a lot more comfortable for you to just label me a nutter, and go back to trying not think about the CMF at all.

[ Parent ]

lower your expectations (none / 0) (#327)
by phred on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 05:31:55 PM EST

rusty has a webpage with some bored posters. Its not like he has a reputation to uphold or anything.

[ Parent ]
Hey (none / 1) (#272)
by ShiftyStoner on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 09:44:26 AM EST

 What's with the attitude man. I kinda like it.
( @ )'( @ ) The broad masses of a population are more amenable to the appeal of rhetoric than to any other force. - Adolf Hitler
[ Parent ]
Was it the collapse in ad sales, perhaps? (2.62 / 8) (#124)
by osm on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 06:15:58 PM EST

Do you think yachts and monocle polish grow on trees?

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4thelulz.org
[ Parent ]

Whoah (2.50 / 4) (#201)
by rusty on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 09:10:56 PM EST

osm talking about yachts and monocle polish. It's like a time warp.

Incidentally, rizzo242 came over for the fourth of july, and brought me a monocle. He's got a picture somewhere, which I'm sure he'll remember to post eventually.

____
Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]

Whoa (2.50 / 6) (#213)
by Trollaxor on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 10:22:26 PM EST

Rusty showing his face on Kuro5hin? Something has to be terribly wrong.

[ Parent ]
Couldn't find a monocle pic (none / 2) (#223)
by enterfornone on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 11:52:07 PM EST

But here's Rusty in some cool Matrix like sunglasses.

--
efn 26/m/syd
Will sponsor new accounts for porn.
[ Parent ]
Sounds HOT!! (none / 3) (#222)
by osm on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 11:50:34 PM EST

He's got a picture somewhere, which I'm sure he'll remember to post eventually.

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4thelulz.org
[ Parent ]

Maybe this means I'm easily trolled (2.00 / 2) (#145)
by Big Sexxy Joe on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 06:38:06 PM EST

but I can't help but to zero every comment you make.

I'll ask you one more time.  If you hate the site, why don't you leave?

I'm like Jesus, only better.
Democracy Now! - your daily, uncensored, corporate-free grassroots news hour
[ Parent ]

Hate the site? (2.66 / 6) (#170)
by RobotSlave on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 07:11:24 PM EST

I don't hate the site at all, Joe. In fact, I sort of care about it, and that's why I'd like so very much to see rusty do the things he's promised.

Go ahead with the zeroes, though. I suspect they make you feel better about the whole mess.

[ Parent ]

man... (2.36 / 19) (#41)
by rmg on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 02:50:54 PM EST

rusty, what are you thinking? you haven't even dealt with the problems that stayed with you after you attempted to kick them out.

look man, it's real easy to solve this place's problems. all you have to do is stop being a pussy about kicking people out. if someone posts nothing but inane, intentionally useless crap, throw them out immediately and ip ban them. and if someone professes to be someone you've banned before, ban them for it.

also, from what i understand, there are ways to detect proxies by portscanning them. you might consider giving that a try. you know, unless you're an established user, no proxy use. it might keep some legitimate new users away, but most of the users with uid's higher the 50000 post nothing but crap anyway.

_____

stalinism

dave dean

Dear god (3.00 / 3) (#82)
by ZorbaTHut on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 04:16:16 PM EST

I agree with rmg.

Next up: Microsoft and SCO band together, publicly proclaim "we're sorry, it was all a big mistake" and GPL every last line of their code.

[ Parent ]

Hmm... (none / 1) (#144)
by virid on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 06:37:30 PM EST

SCO has code? Your not talking about all the legal-speak are you?

"Religion is not merely the opium of the masses, it's the cyanide."
[ Parent ]
re: Hmm... (none / 0) (#169)
by ZorbaTHut on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 07:11:19 PM EST

"If we had any code, it's now GPLed. Since the code we claimed to have is GPLed anyway, there's no problem! Free drinks all around!"

[ Parent ]
Keep in mind (2.60 / 5) (#146)
by kitten on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 06:41:53 PM EST

If Rusty actually did that all along, rmg wouldn't be here. How long did he post inane crap about his "mousie wheel" before finally getting kicked out, only to come back as "ninja rmg" before Rusty finally let the old account back in?
mirrorshades radio - darkwave, synthpop, industrial, futurepop.
[ Parent ]
very good, kitten. you get a cookie. (2.33 / 6) (#167)
by rmg on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 07:10:22 PM EST

you've pointed out the "irony" of rmg. you must feel smart. i don't think anyone else got it.

way to go.

_____

stalinism

dave dean
[ Parent ]

Oh, I don't know (3.00 / 7) (#190)
by kitten on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 08:12:40 PM EST

You've been playing at your faux-sincere routine for so long, there are probably plenty of people who either don't remember, or weren't here for it.

But it isn't "irony" we're talking about here, is it? We're talking about simple idiocy. You can doll it up with whatever words you want, and put on airs about how very clever you are, but you're still an idiot.
mirrorshades radio - darkwave, synthpop, industrial, futurepop.
[ Parent ]
oh, i am quite sincere. (2.33 / 3) (#194)
by rmg on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 08:27:31 PM EST

i really want rusty to get rid of the crapflooders. why? because they drive away my biters. you see, i actually like to troll, not joke around with a bunch of losers from the slashdot sids. when people leave, that means less fun for me. i suppose i could go to other sites, and i do, but they're not quite the same for some reason.


_____

stalinism

dave dean
[ Parent ]

You still have a problem with staying on target. (none / 1) (#195)
by Kax on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 08:43:11 PM EST

Looosseeerrr.

[ Parent ]
hey, remember our little chat earlier? (none / 1) (#196)
by rmg on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 08:46:48 PM EST

you've inspired a new sig for me.

(yes, i realize the irony of responding to you this way, so don't bother pointing it out.)

_____

if i do not respond, it is because you wrote nothing worthy of response.

dave dean[ Parent ]

Is irony the word of the day? (2.00 / 2) (#199)
by Kax on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 08:57:07 PM EST

That's not a real question, so don't bother answering it.

You still can't stay on target.

And you have a sig.

Loser. :)

[ Parent ]

first three I've given kitten in ages (nt) (1.50 / 2) (#326)
by phred on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 05:29:54 PM EST



[ Parent ]
Re: Keep in mind (3.00 / 2) (#168)
by ZorbaTHut on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 07:10:31 PM EST

You assume that I have a problem with that. :)

Honestly, he deserved to get booted. I *do* think everyone deserves a second chance, so if someone gets booted, makes a new user, and is a model citizen for a month and then tentatively says "oh, by the way, I was rmg_on_crack, but I have seen the error of my ways", then, hey, live and let live.

[ Parent ]

actually, that's very bad policy. (3.00 / 3) (#191)
by rmg on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 08:20:05 PM EST

i am the only exception to the rule. as a matter of fact, rusty never actually banned me. he only removed my diary posting privileges. he reinstated them because i was nice about it, i had another account with which i was posting diaries, and he probably saw no point in keeping my main account broken. he must have been worried about the backlash he'd get if he banned me at the time because he banned everyone else who did much less than i did.

i think he just emboldened the crapflooders by not banning me outright, though.

the important thing to remember is that some people pretend to be bastards when they troll, but other people really are bastards. i'm not really a bastard, though i certainly do play the villain here and often lay it on pretty thick. most of the current crop of trolls are honest to god assholes/idiots. they do what they do because it's what they are. they will always come back and do the same damned thing.

_____

stalinism

dave dean
[ Parent ]

You hear that rusty? (3.00 / 7) (#161)
by Ta bu shi da yu on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 07:03:18 PM EST

rmg wants to be deleted.

---
AdTIה"the think tank that didn't".
ה
[ Parent ]
no point in fighting it. (1.50 / 2) (#174)
by rmg on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 07:13:07 PM EST

some people just have to have their threes. does your facile crowd pleasing make you happy? i hope it does.

in fact, if rusty banned me, i guess i wouldn't come back. it'd probably be a good thing for me. i don't think rusty can justify banning me for my "crimes" given the way he's operated to date.

_____

stalinism

dave dean
[ Parent ]

My facile crowd pleasing... (2.80 / 5) (#241)
by Ta bu shi da yu on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 03:46:25 AM EST

... makes me very pleased indeed.

---
AdTIה"the think tank that didn't".
ה
[ Parent ]
ban rmg (nt) (2.00 / 2) (#325)
by phred on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 05:27:57 PM EST



[ Parent ]
Isn't this a bit late (1.20 / 20) (#42)
by I Hate Yanks on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 02:51:01 PM EST

K5 is already dead in the water. This isn't going to revive it. Expect a last dash of trolls before everyone gets truly sick of the site and then k5 can trundle off to Silicon Heaven.


Reasons to hate Americans (No. 812): Circletimessquare lives there.

self-fulfilling prophecy (2.00 / 5) (#46)
by spammacus on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 03:14:36 PM EST

It occurs to me that people asserting that K5 is dead are doing at least as much to kill it as anything else. If you truly believe K5 is dead why don't you bugger off? Your naysaying is not a useful contribution, IMHO.
-- "Asshole, deconstruct thyself." - Mr. Surly
[ Parent ]
Thanks! (n/t) (1.80 / 5) (#43)
by nullsp4ce on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 03:05:37 PM EST



also, (2.00 / 12) (#52)
by rmg on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 03:23:38 PM EST

could you please drop the two account per day limit? i don't want to have to fuck around with proxies.

_____

stalinism

dave dean

Hip, Hip (1.50 / 2) (#66)
by Empedocles on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 03:39:54 PM EST

HURRAH!

---
And I think it's gonna be a long long time
'Till touch down brings me 'round again to find
I'm not the man they think I am at home

Ah Hah! (none / 1) (#68)
by nlindstrom on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 03:44:15 PM EST

At last I can post! Fear my powerful posting...um, oh, nevermind.

interesting (none / 1) (#76)
by llimllib on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 04:02:42 PM EST

Were you seriously reading the site while registrations were down? What was it that interested you? I know that I still posted here mostly because I'm used to it, and I know people here. What kept you reading, or made you want to post?

Peace.
[ Parent ]
Finally (2.75 / 8) (#74)
by wntd on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 03:52:07 PM EST

Now all I need is a MetaFilter account.

ha [nt] (none / 1) (#87)
by reklaw on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 04:26:18 PM EST


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[ Parent ]
Just as I predicted (2.33 / 3) (#79)
by smart guy on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 04:11:31 PM EST

Rusty saw this and proceeded to shit himself. But, alas, it is too late. He's no longer the "king" of collaborative media.

"K5 will never go back to fully open membership. Sorry, that's just the way it is, and I'm not willing to debate this issue." -Rusty

A simple one-step procedure (1.90 / 11) (#81)
by i on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 04:12:49 PM EST

to deal with this site's problems.

Close the hole.

That's it. Instant win. Seriously. Just do it.

and we have a contradicton according to our assumptions and the factor theorem

screw you, i (none / 2) (#88)
by reklaw on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 04:27:29 PM EST

The randomness of the diaries is the best part of the site. It all works much better when people don't have to try to shoe-horn everything into that "article" metaphor.
-
[ Parent ]
Random Is Good. (none / 2) (#93)
by i on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 04:45:44 PM EST

It's the exponential distribution that sucks.

and we have a contradicton according to our assumptions and the factor theorem

[ Parent ]
and by that you mean... [nt] (none / 1) (#96)
by reklaw on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 04:51:24 PM EST


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[ Parent ]
Probability schmobability. (none / 1) (#97)
by i on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 04:53:09 PM EST

http://www.itl.nist.gov/div898/handbook/eda/section3/eda366.htm

and we have a contradicton according to our assumptions and the factor theorem

[ Parent ]
well, (none / 1) (#100)
by reklaw on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 04:58:30 PM EST

I mean, I see the graph there, so I get what an exponential distribution is... but I don't see how it relates to the situation at all.

Then again, I suxor at teh maths.
-
[ Parent ]

OK. (none / 1) (#104)
by topynate on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 05:24:18 PM EST

I think I get this. If diary quality is on the x axis, and the probability density is on the y axis, then i is saying that the probability of a diary better than a certain amount drops off sharply as that cut-off point gets higher (and perhaps that most diaries are crap). In a very geeky way.


"...identifying authors with their works is a feckless game. Simply to go by their books, Agatha Christie is a mass murderess, while William Buckley is a practicing Christian." --Gore Vidal
[ Parent ]
It means, very roughly, that. (none / 2) (#108)
by i on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 05:38:49 PM EST

50% of the diaries are crap, 50% of that (25% of all) are ever so slightly better (say, by one point on some linear scale), 50% of that (12.5% of the total, that is) are better by another point... by the time you hit a decent rating, the percentage is vanishingly small.

Imagine a heap of manure. There are probably some pearls in it, but are they worth the trouble?

So here's the existential question. Why should we clean up that heap and not let any and all explore it as they see fit? The answer is, of course, "because it stinks".

Most folks here would certainly disagree with this theory. Indeed, there's this totally subjective "rating" thing involved pretty early in the construction. Does it mean that I should just shut the fuck up and die please? You betcha.

and we have a contradicton according to our assumptions and the factor theorem

[ Parent ]

But the pearls... (2.20 / 5) (#115)
by rusty on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 05:47:08 PM EST

The pearls are worth all the swine.

____
Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]
Vote 'em up, then. (none / 2) (#116)
by i on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 05:54:22 PM EST

Tweak the rules to encourage this kind of stories in the queue. Make new sections. Whatever it takes.

and we have a contradicton according to our assumptions and the factor theorem

[ Parent ]
i recommended this in september of last year. (2.75 / 4) (#137)
by rmg on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 06:29:09 PM EST

it will never happen. or, if it does, it should have happened about six months before.

it's kind of like how i said he needed to close registration to get things working again in november, but of course he ignored that until six months later. i'm like cassandra, really.

_____

stalinism

dave dean
[ Parent ]

So it was /your/ fault? (none / 2) (#208)
by QuickFox on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 09:33:23 PM EST

i said he needed to close registration

We shall persecute you forever. You will find no peace.

Give a man a fish and he eats for one day. Teach him how to fish, and though he'll eat for a lifetime, he'll call you a miser for not giving him your fi
[ Parent ]

HuSI ... (none / 0) (#271)
by alby on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 09:42:23 AM EST

... is doing this.

--
Alby
[ Parent ]

Way to go (none / 0) (#286)
by MalcolmCleaton on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 12:02:45 PM EST

You just destroyed an entire day of productivity. You owe my boss £750.

Thanks,
Malcolm.


[ Parent ]

It was the least I could do (none / 1) (#289)
by rusty on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 12:46:39 PM EST

Though, by all reports, a day where nothing gets done at work is just another day in England. ;-)

____
Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]
Hey, you're the one who works for a dotcom :) (none / 0) (#322)
by pwhysall on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 04:44:06 PM EST


--
Peter
K5 Editors
I'm going to wager that the story keeps getting dumped because it is a steaming pile of badly formatted fool-meme.
CheeseBurgerBrown
[ Parent ]
Don't be fooled (none / 0) (#363)
by MalcolmCleaton on Thu Jul 15, 2004 at 08:23:07 AM EST

We actually get quite a lot done, while people aren't looking.

However, we do need to invest a certain amount of time in getting nothing done, for the good of our egos. That way, however productive and effective we are, we can always convince ourselves we could do *so* much better if we *really* *tried*.

Thanks,
Malcolm.


[ Parent ]

Sure (none / 0) (#321)
by the humble USian on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 04:40:54 PM EST

But the pearls are cross-posted from HuSi.

[ Parent ]
interesting (none / 2) (#120)
by mutualaid on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 06:08:45 PM EST

Sort of like a security barrier around the diary section. Hmmm...

[ Parent ]
(OT) Er. (none / 2) (#216)
by ubernostrum on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 10:28:27 PM EST

Is the link in your user info supposed to do something bad?

/me not getting anything particularly bothersome...




--
You cooin' with my bird?
[ Parent ]
Like the pure, undriven snow (none / 1) (#230)
by mutualaid on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 12:54:38 AM EST

My links are clean.

[ Parent ]
Bah (none / 2) (#131)
by mcgrew on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 06:21:57 PM EST

Close your own hole. And get that 2 by 4 out of your eye.

"The entire neocon movement is dedicated to revoking mcgrew's posting priviliges. This is why we went to war with Iraq." -LilDebbie
[ Parent ]

Thank you for your kind suggestion. (none / 1) (#135)
by i on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 06:27:41 PM EST

I did that about a month ago, if my pocket calculator isn't failing me. But thanks anyway.

and we have a contradicton according to our assumptions and the factor theorem

[ Parent ]
A month? Bah (none / 1) (#193)
by mcgrew on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 08:26:52 PM EST

I've been gone much longer. In fact, a now-banned (I think, he's been gone a while) poster did a diary about how I must have died, and a poll with various ways I could have died.

"The entire neocon movement is dedicated to revoking mcgrew's posting priviliges. This is why we went to war with Iraq." -LilDebbie
[ Parent ]

Woohoo! (2.00 / 2) (#83)
by Nursie on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 04:16:32 PM EST

Not that the site's been that bad anyway, I mean the quality and volume of discussion seem to have kept up quite well, and I'm, sure there's been as many front page stories as ever.

But Woohoo! anyway. And Huzzah!

/me quite liked the sponsorship idea too.

Meta Sigs suck.

Well shit. (2.33 / 3) (#86)
by The Honorable Elijah Muhammad on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 04:23:45 PM EST

Now all I have to complain about is the broken comment search.

Damn you.


___
localroger is a tool.
In memory of the You Sad Bastard thread. A part of our heritage.
Surprised and glad (2.20 / 5) (#89)
by ElMiguel on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 04:27:57 PM EST

I really believed K5 would never admit new users again. I'm glad I was wrong.

I'm glad too (none / 0) (#410)
by keramida on Sun Oct 03, 2004 at 06:39:21 PM EST

Bearing in mind that I lurked here about 2 years ago, then left, then came back just minutes after new user signups were enabled... It makes one wonder, really. Have I just spent my one great opportunity to actually *be* lucky by registering?

Heh :-)

[ Parent ]

Praise Allah (2.30 / 10) (#99)
by Salah al Din on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 04:58:20 PM EST



Thanks. /nt (2.00 / 3) (#101)
by dsm iv tr on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 05:04:46 PM EST



Boo (2.33 / 3) (#102)
by Wah on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 05:19:15 PM EST

and here I was working so hard on my ignore list.

Dagnabbit.

Never trust a poster with an account over 52,000.
--
umm, holding, holding...

Don't you mean... (none / 2) (#180)
by Elendale on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 07:23:17 PM EST

"Over 2,000"? :P
---

When free speech is outlawed, only criminals will complain.


[ Parent ]
no i'm sure what he really meant (none / 1) (#234)
by Nigga on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 01:48:17 AM EST

was over 1550

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The fuck happened to Nigga?
[ Parent ]

Actually... (none / 1) (#236)
by Elendale on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 02:21:27 AM EST

Now that i think about my elitist K5 heirarchy, i think it goes 5,000 then 1,000 then 500. Of course, if we want to get technical i used the "anonymous hero" account for posting for quite some time until anonymous posting was turned off- but then again, i guess lots of other people did as well. Anyway, my point is made regardless of what arbitrary number we settle on :P
---

When free speech is outlawed, only criminals will complain.


[ Parent ]
personally (none / 1) (#287)
by Wah on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 12:13:12 PM EST

I go by ages.

There was the pre-DDOS-Rusty-as-virgin-net-admin days, the glory days, the crappy days, the no-new homeys days, and now here we are at today.

I meant days, I go by days.

--

To wit, I remember spamming the queue back in the pre-DDOS days.  We didn't even have diaries then, and dammit, we liked it.
--
umm, holding, holding...
[ Parent ]

Well, that's sort of the elitist heirarchy... (none / 0) (#360)
by Elendale on Thu Jul 15, 2004 at 04:30:54 AM EST

Approximately 1,000 was when anonymous posting was turned off, 5,000 was something else... the first big Slashdot migration i think... then there was the post DDoS signups, etc.

I usually think of them as general "eras" or whatever you want as well, but sometimes it's interesting to stick numbers to the eras. I, of course, am going off my memory as to which numbers match up to what era, however...


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When free speech is outlawed, only criminals will complain.


[ Parent ]
This looks like a good time to leave? (1.00 / 4) (#103)
by RandomLiegh on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 05:21:20 PM EST

Anyone have any suggestions for other sites to hang out at (other than /. and husi)?

---
Thought of the week: There is no thought this week.
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i know a site you'd like: (1.66 / 9) (#132)
by rmg on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 06:25:41 PM EST

http://www.sporks-r-us.com

_____

stalinism

dave dean
[ Parent ]

It does have the virtue of being currently active (none / 2) (#159)
by RandomLiegh on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 07:00:26 PM EST

However, it has the downside of being a scoop site.

---
Thought of the week: There is no thought this week.
---
[ Parent ]
I've looked at that before (1.60 / 5) (#184)
by grouse on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 07:40:48 PM EST

Does Vlad really have friends? Or is that site filled with the ramblings of sock puppets?

You sad bastard!

"Grouse please don't take this the wrong way... To be quite frank, you are throwing my inner Chi out of its harmonious balance with nature." -- Tex Bigballs
[ Parent ]

i think the latter, (1.33 / 6) (#186)
by rmg on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 07:43:57 PM EST

but i really don't know. of course, i think vladinator is a sock puppet himself, so maybe i'm not the guy to ask.

_____

stalinism

dave dean
[ Parent ]

Finally [NT] (1.00 / 2) (#114)
by sfritz on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 05:46:10 PM EST


A Sig.
oh no are you serious? (1.00 / 4) (#117)
by neopostmodernist media whore on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 06:02:04 PM EST

now we have to deal with some sort of sudden influx? what about all of us who have been here since before! the s/n ratio is going to plummet!

--
bask in my angst.

I for one (none / 1) (#125)
by mcgrew on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 06:16:08 PM EST

..miss some absent old timers who were here when I first found it but died about the time K% died, like Mister Queue and that Rusty guy. And muchageko. I wonder if they would have stuck around otherwise. Especially that "Rusty" guy. Maybe he'll come back now! There have been an awful lot of what I would consider awful stories getting posted lately that I don't think would have made the cut a year or two ago, starting with the flood of front page "oh no K5's dead" whinery.

"The entire neocon movement is dedicated to revoking mcgrew's posting priviliges. This is why we went to war with Iraq." -LilDebbie
[ Parent ]

ACK! I'm a tard (none / 1) (#128)
by mcgrew on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 06:18:21 PM EST

I for one miss some absent old timers who were here when I first found it but died about the time K5 died, like Mister Queue and that Rusty guy. And muchageko. I wonder if they would have stuck around otherwise.

Especially that "Rusty" guy. Maybe he'll come back now!

There have been an awful lot of what I would consider awful stories getting posted lately that I don't think would have made the cut a year or two ago, starting with the flood of front page "oh no K5's dead" whinery.

Damn it mcgrew, that's why they put that "preview" button there.

"The entire neocon movement is dedicated to revoking mcgrew's posting priviliges. This is why we went to war with Iraq." -LilDebbie
[ Parent ]

it was fine as it was (2.60 / 5) (#141)
by reklaw on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 06:33:30 PM EST

There's a difference between a paragraph and a sentence, you know.
-
[ Parent ]
Ah yes well (none / 1) (#192)
by mcgrew on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 08:24:47 PM EST

You're the guy that doesn't like my writing!

"The entire neocon movement is dedicated to revoking mcgrew's posting priviliges. This is why we went to war with Iraq." -LilDebbie
[ Parent ]

I think I just peed in my pants a little (1.40 / 5) (#118)
by Melissa Rent5 Parakeet Cynic on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 06:04:05 PM EST

You're OK with us scripting the creation of about a jillion accounts each, right?  And could you maybe write the script for us, peaches?  Make sure it obfuscates the originating IP and have it create throwaway accounts at free mail providers too.  Jump to it, man.

Good to have you back, by the way.

This account has been disabled. You are invited to check the comment history (including the parent comments) and draw your own Ko5clusions as to why.

its... ALIVE!!!!! (1.40 / 5) (#121)
by mcgrew on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 06:09:43 PM EST

oops, nt

"The entire neocon movement is dedicated to revoking mcgrew's posting priviliges. This is why we went to war with Iraq." -LilDebbie

Eat reenactment (2.87 / 82) (#129)
by K5 ASCII reenactment players on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 06:18:58 PM EST

It's real quiet, Earl.  Do you think they've gone?
 |
 |  Reckon so, Martha.  I'll just open the door and...
 |          \
 |           \         BRAINSSS       Sooo hungry
 |            \         \    Uhhhrrr     /
               \    __
 JO              O |  | __O   O        \O   Makesss the pain go awayyy.
 <v>            <|-|o |   |  /\V  O     |\      /
 /_\             | |  |   |   /    --   |    O_
 /|             /| |__|   |\ /\   / /_ /|    / -_ . .. 


God damn (2.40 / 10) (#148)
by ubu on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 06:42:16 PM EST

K5ARP is fucking funny.


--
As good old software hats say - "You are in very safe hands, if you are using CVS !!!"
[ Parent ]
Funny shit. (2.50 / 6) (#214)
by sethadam1 on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 10:25:06 PM EST

You are one of the funniest motherfuckers I've ever had the pleasure of stumbling across on the internet.  Until K5 gets back on its legs and re-establishes its relevence, I'm all over reading your stuff.  

Big fan!

[ Parent ]

One of the best yet [nt] (none / 2) (#249)
by nebbish on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 04:33:13 AM EST


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Kicking someone in the head is like punching them in the foot - Bruce Lee
[ Parent ]

Could do a lot better. (none / 3) (#253)
by yicky yacky on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 06:55:56 AM EST

Mildly amusing, but we all know you're capable of much, much more. Laurel rester. ;)




yicky yacky
**************
'The actual reasonable Britons are correct, you're being a cock.' - Hide The Hamster.
[ Parent ]
W00t!!! (none / 1) (#281)
by Nursie on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 11:30:03 AM EST



Meta Sigs suck.

[ Parent ]
FEAR ME!!!! (1.03 / 33) (#143)
by Rustys next temper tantrum on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 06:36:28 PM EST

GOD KNOWS WHAT I SHALL BRING!

And so it begins. [nt] (1.50 / 6) (#154)
by esrever on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 06:48:31 PM EST



Audit NTFS permissions on Windows
[ Parent ]
Interesting results (none / 2) (#366)
by sllort on Thu Jul 15, 2004 at 10:16:55 AM EST

This comment is above 1 (don't hide) but the account is anonymized (ultimate hide).

I guess I hit my sock puppet limit. Either that or democracy means nothing.
--
Warning: On Lawn is a documented liar.
[ Parent ]

Good (2.00 / 5) (#149)
by Big Sexxy Joe on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 06:43:13 PM EST

The irony is that even when you closed the new users, you still took an inordant amount of time to boot the people you don't like.

Hint:  If they post a diary every hour, it might be Eric Krout.

I'm like Jesus, only better.
Democracy Now! - your daily, uncensored, corporate-free grassroots news hour

Good grief. (2.40 / 5) (#152)
by Ta bu shi da yu on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 06:45:22 PM EST

I was listened to? :P

It's good to see new user accounts are open to all now!

---
AdTIה"the think tank that didn't".
ה

Thanks (2.41 / 12) (#155)
by Big Sexxy Joe on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 06:52:57 PM EST

I appreciate it, but I already have a K5 account.  Would you happen to have any gmail invites to give away though?

I'm like Jesus, only better.
Democracy Now! - your daily, uncensored, corporate-free grassroots news hour
great! (1.22 / 18) (#162)
by horny smurf on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 07:05:29 PM EST

There are also a couple features coming to help the rest of you let us know who is being a jerk.

You mean like an asswipe that turns off new logins?

I foresee bad things happening over the next month (1.69 / 13) (#172)
by New Account Signups Should Have Stayed Closed on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 07:11:36 PM EST

en tee
New Account Signups Should Have Stayed Closed
Hopefully (1.75 / 4) (#177)
by DDS3 on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 07:18:25 PM EST

...there will be periodic scans for people with multiple accounts and checks/probes for posts via open proxies.  Those users caught with multiple accounts should be kicked/banned.  The only reason to have multiple accounts is to be a troll.  With any luck, posts via open proxy with be trashed.

sorry man, (2.81 / 11) (#189)
by rmg on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 08:00:09 PM EST

it doesn't work that way here.

this is a common misconception amongst legitimate users. it's not trolls that rusty wants to deal with per se. what he's after is a certain kind of troll. like, the kind that widens pages, posts links to photoshopped pictures of rusty's wife, harasses people (à la what they did to webwench and perdida), etc. there are about five people who do this stuff and they come back time after time.

in the past, rusty's been pretty friendly with trolls. he was pretty buddy buddy with a lot of the adequacy people, as you can see if you look through the old threads in the trolltalk sid. trolling here was all fun and games for a long time.

sometime last year, though, a slashdot crapflooder started organizing trolls to directly attack k5 with the explicit intent of fucking it up. this went on for a while. there were dos attacks and crapflooding and all of that shit. then the vladinator thing happened bringing more of the same element in.

because (in my opinion) rusty could never quite get his ideas about trolls and k5 straight, he was paralyzed and couldn't deal with it adequately. then some new slashdot crapflooders started coming in and some previously non-troll users decided they might as well troll too.

that's where we are today.

_____

stalinism

dave dean
[ Parent ]

hehe (none / 1) (#314)
by DDS3 on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 04:15:23 PM EST

it doesn't work that way here.

Ya, I sorta figured that out.  I was more or less, expressing my wish.

trolling here was all fun and games for a long time.

Why?  Isn't that what usenet exists for?

Surprisingly, I'm saying thanks to rmg, for the extra detail.

Having said that, why do people need to troll?  Trolling is usually done by people that can't support their position or are too dumb to even have one, yet insist they must contribute.  Along those lines, why wouldn't we WANT him to kick/ban people with multiple accounts?  What do you think they are contributing?  If they can't contribute with one account, do you really think things will be improved by allowing/supporting people to have multiple accounts?  I can't see anything but bad from allowing people to have multiple accounts.  The same goes for allowing people to post through open proxies.

Help me out here.  What am I missing?

[ Parent ]

no (2.80 / 5) (#323)
by Battle Troll on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 05:13:31 PM EST

Trolling is usually done by people that can't support their position or are too dumb to even have one, yet insist they must contribute.

It is usually done by people who are sick of inane groupthink and whose real opinions are too complex to be addressed within its context, like Estanislao Martinez or tkatchev.
--
Skarphedinn was carrying the axe with which he had killed Thrainn Sigfusson and which he called 'Battle Troll.'
Njal's Saga, ca 1280 AD
[ Parent ]

That's pretty (none / 0) (#331)
by DDS3 on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 06:39:41 PM EST

dang funny.

Statistically speaking, you would have to have the brain's brains of the world all posting here for that dribble to stick.  Based on my own opinion and what I've seen here, I'd say that average poster is average or well below average.  Based on the comments and modding done, I'd say we easily can qualify them as below average.  Thusly fairly easy to laugh at your joke.  
But, since I can't imagine anyone seriously suggesting such a funny comment, I'll take it for the joke it is.


[ Parent ]

uh, (none / 0) (#348)
by rmg on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 10:05:59 PM EST

he's talking about trolls. you're talking about crapflooders. these sorts of mix-ups are common in discussions of trolling.

_____

if i do not respond, it is because you wrote nothing worthy of response.

dave dean[ Parent ]

you're confused (none / 0) (#351)
by DDS3 on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 11:33:33 PM EST

about trolls and spammers/flooders.

I understand the difference.


[ Parent ]

heh (none / 0) (#371)
by Battle Troll on Thu Jul 15, 2004 at 03:07:06 PM EST

Statistically speaking, you would have to have the brain's brains of the world all posting here for that dribble to stick.

Not exactly - most smart people don't post to weblogs. Besides, you're forgetting that 99% of everything is crap.
--
Skarphedinn was carrying the axe with which he had killed Thrainn Sigfusson and which he called 'Battle Troll.'
Njal's Saga, ca 1280 AD
[ Parent ]

your exposure to trolling is skewed (none / 1) (#330)
by rmg on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 05:55:39 PM EST

by your experiences here. i think battle troll hits the nail on the head for the sort of troll i'd say is worthwhile.

most "trolls" here are pretty much what describe. night in white satin is almost exactly what you describe, for instance. many of them are just nerds who think they're funny (some of them actually are, i suppose). there's also the angry nerd type.

it's a complex issue that i've never been able to explain in a concise, coherent way. basically, there's a lot of different kinds of trolls.... let's leave it at that.

_____

if i do not respond, it is because you wrote nothing worthy of response.

dave dean[ Parent ]

ok... (none / 0) (#332)
by DDS3 on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 06:47:45 PM EST

...you're not saying anything I didn't already know.  But why, is any of it ok?  What does a troll contribute anything in your eyes?

If a comment is funny, it's funny.  If it's witty, it's witty.  So on and so on.  Does it need to be said by an alias to be funny.  Thus far, I've not read anything to change my experience with trolls.  All are pushing an agenda in a dishonest way, and rarely, if ever, have anything to contribute.

Thus far, the only offering I've seen is someone suggesting that trolls are too complex and intelligent, which is one of the biggest loads of crap I can remember reading here in a long time; thusly, I can only assume it was a joke.

[ Parent ]

uh, right... (none / 1) (#333)
by rmg on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 07:12:30 PM EST

okay, so guy's like tkatchev, estanislao martinez, and (i guess) me (though i'm not sure i'm in exactly the same boat) do not have non-troll personas (or at least i think this is what it is). for my part, this is my "real" account and somehow my "real" online identity.

i won't get into tkatchev since he's sort of the consummate bomb thrower, but em is quite an interesting character. his trolls are, in my opinion, educational and interesting.

also, some trolls (i am definitely in this class) use trolling as a means of some kind of meta-discourse in which issues are dealt with in some sort of unusual context or through some kind of subtext. it's not something that's obvious to the casual observer, but it's something that i see in other trolls and find interesting at times.

usually i just goof off and get in petty fights, but some of my posts contain incredible insights into the human condition that, frankly, your life will not be complete without. it takes a good reader to see some of it, but it's there.

also, tkatchev and estanislao martinez really are too complex and intelligent for mass consumption here. don't kid yourself.

_____

if i do not respond, it is because you wrote nothing worthy of response.

dave dean[ Parent ]

LOL. (none / 0) (#338)
by DDS3 on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 07:48:41 PM EST

After being insulting, I think I'll just leave it be, smugly knowing that I'm right.

[ Parent ]
Cheerleading. (none / 2) (#370)
by Kax on Thu Jul 15, 2004 at 02:18:38 PM EST

I'll rewrite and annotate your post for clarity:

[out] indicates a section may be useful later to head off potential criticism

---

okay, so guy's like tkatchev, estanislao martinez, and (i guess [out]) me (though i'm not sure i'm in exactly the same boat [out]) do not have non-dork personas (or at least i think this is what it is [out]). for my part, this is my "real" [out] account and somehow my "real" [out] online identity.

i won't get into tkatchev since he's sort of the consummate powerless and needy dork, but em is quite an interesting dork. his trolls are, in my opinion, educational and interesting.

also, some dorks (i am definitely in this class) use trolling as a means of some kind of meta-discourse in which issues are dealt with in some sort of unusual context or through some kind of subtext. [this is an incredibly useful position to have as it allows me to present the appearance of intelligence while simultaneously pretending to not care about whether I'm perceived to be intelligent or not, and also gives me an airtight method to be 'above it all' at all times].  it's not something that's obvious to the casual observer, but I will point it out in future trolls if someone starts to make me feel bad about myself.

usually i just goof off and get in petty fights ['I'm serious, no wait!  I'm not serious.  No, wait! I'm serious about not being serious... or I'm not serious about being serious?'], but some of my posts contain incredible insights into the human condition that, frankly, your life will not be complete without. it takes a good reader to see some of it, but it's there.

also, tkatchev and estanislao martinez really [have found a way to compensate for their ugly and socially-inept selves and have done well presenting the appearance that they] are too complex and intelligent for mass consumption here. don't kid yourself.

[ Parent ]

I think that maybe (none / 2) (#345)
by kurogirl on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 09:38:12 PM EST

Rusty is troll-curious.

do you beleive in love at first sigh or would you like me to walk past again?
[ Parent ]

Hey (none / 1) (#260)
by Imma Troll on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 08:37:45 AM EST

There's nothing wrong with decent trolling. I know some bad apples have given the rest of us a bad name, but some of us aren't like that.
Will somebody light my sig?
[ Parent ]
what is your... (none / 1) (#317)
by DDS3 on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 04:19:52 PM EST

definition of "decent trolling"?

I can't think of any good reason for trolling.


[ Parent ]

3 reasons (none / 0) (#336)
by Imma Troll on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 07:46:09 PM EST

1. To say something that's not PC, hopefully to make someone think.

2. To counter zero-raters. Yes, some comments deserve to be zero-rated, but there are also idiots who don't know the difference between zero and one.

3. Just for the heck of it!

Ok, maybe #3 isn't really a good reason, but who cares! :-p
Will somebody light my sig?
[ Parent ]

So you're saying... (none / 0) (#354)
by DDS3 on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 11:37:19 PM EST

...that the format here forces one to troll to have a voice?  Isn't that saying that this place is fundimentally broken and you feel you have to lie to have a voice?  Why not attempt to have this place fixed rather than scumming?

Thus far, I've only heard that we have losers that troll and that K5 is broken.  I've yet to hear a valid argument to support the troll role.


[ Parent ]

Fix the place? (none / 0) (#364)
by Imma Troll on Thu Jul 15, 2004 at 09:49:11 AM EST

If there's one thing this new user stuff shows, it's that I can't fix this place! Only Rusty can fix this place. And now I'm upset because you're forcing me to post serious stuff in my "troll" persona. Not that I have another persona.
Will somebody light my sig?
[ Parent ]
"I" (none / 0) (#383)
by DDS3 on Fri Jul 16, 2004 at 12:38:11 PM EST

Well, I didn't actually mean, you, specifically, should fix everything.  I meant, rather than use a "persona", other than to lie and manipulate, why not contact rusty to offer ideas and solutions?  If enough people let him know that this place is broken, he might actually fix it.

Trolling is not a solution, it's part of the problem.  This is why "trolling" is always placed into a negative context.  It's because it's for losers whos sole aim is to lie, cheat, and manipulate.  Sure, you have people like rmg that think they are doing the world a service, but the only thing he's proven is that he's a dork and too dumb/ego-bent to see that HE IS part of the problem.


[ Parent ]

Also 3 types of trolls (none / 0) (#339)
by Imma Troll on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 07:48:44 PM EST

A great troll will make you think.

A good troll will make you laugh.

A bad troll will make you puke.
Will somebody light my sig?
[ Parent ]

LOL! (none / 0) (#352)
by DDS3 on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 11:34:52 PM EST

Okay.  And why can't these losers do this under their own name?  Why do they have to lie, cheat, and mislead in order to do any of that?


[ Parent ]
I am a new user (1.35 / 20) (#185)
by cheeseslave on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 07:43:13 PM EST

Hello. Can I have a biscuit?

-1 (1.40 / 10) (#209)
by Salah al Din on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 09:37:54 PM EST

dumb fucking nullo

[ Parent ]
Wow (none / 2) (#259)
by grouse on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 08:19:23 AM EST

Only on the site for a couple of days and you've already adopted our form of conversation. Congrats!

You sad bastard!

"Grouse please don't take this the wrong way... To be quite frank, you are throwing my inner Chi out of its harmonious balance with nature." -- Tex Bigballs
[ Parent ]

I am an old user and look for new users (1.66 / 3) (#210)
by mami on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 09:49:37 PM EST

who are willing to debate the live discussion on C-SPAN2 right now. It's all about the constitution and some story tellers.

I can't join in (none / 1) (#226)
by aphrael on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 12:18:45 AM EST

because I don't have TV, but i've been reading the record (the congressional record is at thomas.loc.gov) and commenting on it here.

[ Parent ]
Please close down new user registrations! (2.28 / 7) (#211)
by NoMoreNicksLeft on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 09:50:23 PM EST

We were wrong to question your wisdom. Please don't make us suffer, even though we deserve it. You can tell us "I told you so" or anything else, just please shut it down.

--
Do not look directly into laser with remaining good eye.
I kind of liked it (2.80 / 21) (#212)
by Fuzzwah on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 09:52:33 PM EST

With the creation of new accounts disabled I felt really special. Like I was in a cool gang of juevinile lads who had created some kind of secret club. I imagined k5 as being a gnarly treehouse headquarters. We had walkie talkies and back packs and slingshots and bmx bikes. It ruled.

--
The best a human can do is to pick a delusion that helps him get through the day. - God's Debris

Question: (1.18 / 16) (#215)
by Trollaxor on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 10:27:27 PM EST

What's blonde, kindles fires, and likes the company of naked men?

Answer: (none / 1) (#377)
by glor on Thu Jul 15, 2004 at 10:12:47 PM EST

I don't know, but OH GOD THERE'S ONE ON YOUR SHOULDER!!

--
Disclaimer: I am not the most intelligent kuron.
[ Parent ]

Thanks, I think n/t (1.00 / 4) (#217)
by Bill Melater on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 10:46:47 PM EST



I would just like to say (2.30 / 10) (#219)
by Hide Teh Hamster on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 10:57:25 PM EST

What's up with the 80 votes posting threshold? Is it in response to some sort of declining user population perhaps? I'm genuinely curious!


This revitalised kuro5hin thing, it reminds me very much of the new German Weimar Republic. Please don't let the dark cloud of National Socialism descend upon it again.
Wartime (1.75 / 4) (#220)
by MicroBerto on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 11:01:06 PM EST

Heya... I don't post much here anymore, but figured I'd chime in. I think that Rusty should get a team of his best men, and just go to war on deleting the bad trolls. Eventually they will give up. It will just take persistence, and lots of it.

If it was my site, I'd have the energy to do it. A couple bad posts and you're gone. And keep going and going and going. Losers will get sick of it after a couple of weeks. You just gotta out-do them

Berto
- GAIM: MicroBerto
Bertoline - My comic strip

bring it on (none / 3) (#263)
by juvenile delinquent seeking attention on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 08:54:44 AM EST

I humbly suggest that I have more spare time then all the editors combined.

Very few things in my pathetic life are interesting, so I naturally obsess about K5. I'm an obsessive reloader and crapflooder.

Would you really want to get into a test of wills with an obsessive-compulsive troublemaker like me?

BTW, I know you wrote that post with me in mind, thanks for the attention!

[ Parent ]

And... (1.42 / 7) (#221)
by Pvt Pyle on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 11:29:47 PM EST

Site updates?

New User (2.57 / 7) (#224)
by mmclar on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 12:06:08 AM EST

Hi, I'm a new user here, but have been reading off and on for almost two years now.

I was teetering on the edge of signing up to k5 when the new users were banned, but have kept reading (I get pretty bored at work), and was elated when I saw this story!

Because of this it got me thinking.

I know ther are a lot of ideas about different ways to keep out the "bad" users, signal to noise, etc.

My idea is:
Do this once every few months. Disallow user sign up as a rule, and then spring it randomly for a few days or a week, then go back to disallowing. This way you will definitely get new users who have been paying attention, and hopefully filter out a lot of the folks trying to be an asspain.

This is just an idea, and I'm sure it will go the way of most other proposed solutions to the problem. :)

Anyway, thanks for re-allowing me to sign up!

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sig sig sig sig (sing with the notes C G A B, and feel free to transpose to any key)

The problem is (none / 3) (#231)
by kitten on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 01:00:02 AM EST

The problem with your idea is that the troublemakers usually aren't just random passerby who see the site and decide to make trouble. They're already entrenched and have involved themselves with the kuro5hinpolitik. They're checking K5 every ten minutes, posting dozens of comments a day (not productive ones, just noise, usually), and the millisecond new users are allowed, they'll know about it.

They're the ones causing the problems by drafting tons of useless duplicate accounts for lame throwaway jokes, or to otherwise be asshats, which means they also have the power to skew story voting, comment rating, etc. Not to mention make a lot of noise.
mirrorshades radio - darkwave, synthpop, industrial, futurepop.
[ Parent ]
You seem bitter. (none / 1) (#232)
by smart guy on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 01:09:52 AM EST

If the trolls had a signifigant impact on story voting, wouldn't the front page would be filled with links to "rustina?" (Hint: yes)

And uh, comment moderation doesn't actually do anything, does it? (Hint: no)

"K5 will never go back to fully open membership. Sorry, that's just the way it is, and I'm not willing to debate this issue." -Rusty
[ Parent ]

Define "significant" (none / 1) (#251)
by kitten on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 04:49:21 AM EST

There are surely several stories which could have been voted up, but instead got voted down by a couple clowns with axes to grind -- not enough to kill it, but enough to make it languish until it was auto-dumped. Without their interference, some stories may well have auto-posted.

Or stories which have no value whatsoever, but somehow manage to languish in the queue for three days until finally being autodumped, because enough dupe accounts were activated to keep it hovering just above the death line.

It doesn't take a shitload of accounts to meddle this way. It only takes a handful of jackanapes with nothing better to do.

As for comment moderation, no, it doesn't really affect anything, but having six or seven good ratings and then one or two zeroes out of nowhere is unsettling to a lot of people. For proof, just look at the ruckus drduck managed to cause. And I have personally witnessed comments being hidden by virtue of duplicate accounts. Sometimes they were unhidden later, sometimes not.

Comment moderation also factors into auto-posting decisions. As I understand it, the higher the average comment rating in a story, the more likely the story is to get posted if it's on the fence. A few disgruntled twahns could easily hand out enough zeroes to lower that average and help an otherwise decent story die.
mirrorshades radio - darkwave, synthpop, industrial, futurepop.
[ Parent ]
human nature (none / 0) (#275)
by mmclar on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 10:12:51 AM EST

With any kind of system, you will have people who take advantage of it. This is human nature. And these folks will still have to be dealt with. The nice thing about this system is, you only have to deal with it once every few months.

If the problem is people creating tons of accounts at once, maybe you could shorten the window of time allowed for new users, or do IP checks to make sure the same computer doesn't register 15 new users (if this is not already done).

I think the big advantage of what I proposed is that it breaks the problem up into more managable pieces. Dealing with fake accounts 4 times a year is much better than doing it constantly. Furthermore, by forcing new users to pay attention you will get more who care, and make sure they know the rules, culture, etc., of the site.

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sig sig sig sig (sing with the notes C G A B, and feel free to transpose to any key)
[ Parent ]

Yeah, but (none / 1) (#315)
by kitten on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 04:16:59 PM EST

The problem with such a system is that it would really cut down on new users. You know, those who hear about the site, drop by, lurk a while, decide to sign up. They aren't going to hang around for three months waiting for registrations.

On the other hand, the people who are already here will be first in line when registrations are open, and they're the ones we don't want.

The only good I can see coming out of such a system is that it would cut down on the useless one-time throwaway joke accounts that people seem to think are so hilarious. kpaul posts a story, and immediately someone comes up with a "Zombie kpaul" account. Ho ho ho, hilarious. And suddenly, just for the sake of being able to make one pathetic unfunny joke, this clown has a new account he can use (and will use) to behave like an ass.
mirrorshades radio - darkwave, synthpop, industrial, futurepop.
[ Parent ]
Where'd the money go? (2.25 / 8) (#235)
by labradore on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 01:51:54 AM EST

"...the general opinion, amongst both users and staff here, was that sponsorship was a stupid idea."

What? Really? ... Really, Really? You raised over USD $70,000 in a few weeks and you have the audacity to say that we're generally not interested in it? Or are you saying that we were simply outright stupid to have gone along with your "idea."

Maybe I have missed something but I don't see any more info on the CMF. Probably also a stupid idea. In fact, the whole thing was so stupid that it would be a waste of time to account for that money at all. You've so magnanimously re-opened new user accounts because why? Your statistical analysis of posts determined to be inflammatory by a specialized Bayesian filter crossed the "cooled down" threshold? The phase of the moon? You're just in the mood now? You also sound less than enthusiastic about attempting to do anything to make things better.

So some asshole posted demeaning *fake* pictures of your wife. So trolls and flooders suck and they're wearing out your delete button. Somehow that outweighed all the good will and hard earned cash that so many hundreds of other people gave you earlier? Having neglected to fulfill any of your promises except to keep K5 technically operational, you decided to ignore working on it when things got a little too frustrating and do something sexier and more profitable. Great. So glad you chose the neglect-and-check method instead of working on a solution or taking one of the billions of ideas floated here and just running with it. Don't give us shit about how you were worried that a change would kill the site. Killing off new user-ship and conspicuously failing to post site news was surely one of the best ways to decrease traffic on a site that lives by stories and commentary from users who are obviously interested in seeing changes made.

So what do you need? A mechanism to identify users and raise the barrier to entry enough so that the perverse asses of the net don't get to shit on our picnic. That sounds to me like a credit card number. $1 for 2 years. Add a $20 charge for getting kicked off of the site, decisions to be vetted by a random selection of "successful" story authors. You make up your own numbers and variations. Devise a way implement a web of trust. The friggin ideas are there and you've read more of them than I have.

Do something. If you don't do anything, then don't ask for money again. I surely won't be paying again to be deceived and insulted.

the real action happens on the CMF mailing list (none / 0) (#239)
by smart guy on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 02:43:03 AM EST

here are the archives.

to summarize what they've accomplished in the past 4 years:

  • kpaul wrote a CMF FAQ (with 3 questions).
  • EOF

"K5 will never go back to fully open membership. Sorry, that's just the way it is, and I'm not willing to debate this issue." -Rusty
[ Parent ]

and those three were pretty much stolen (none / 1) (#305)
by kpaul on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 02:53:54 PM EST

from earlier CMF docs ;)

no time, no time, no time...


2014 Halloween Costumes
[ Parent ]

Re: CC charge (none / 0) (#246)
by wejn on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 04:24:34 AM EST

Oh yeah ... adding a charge would make a *HUGE* difference.

Esp. in USA, where you can reverse any CC charge by just telling the CC company that it wasn't authorized by you (and not talking about my CC card where you can simply disable all transactions by few clicks on web/cell-phone).

[ Parent ]

Blacklisting takes care of that (none / 0) (#396)
by andersjm on Mon Jul 19, 2004 at 01:37:50 PM EST

Adding a CC charge will work.  Trolls that retract payment will find their CC# blacklisted.  Also, when deleting a troll account, other accounts paid for with the same card can be deleted.

Trolls may have several credit cards, but eventually they will run out.

As for storing CC#s securely, this is not a problem if done right: Just store a MAC of the CC# instead of the CC# itself.

IMO a small registration charge is the right way to go.

[ Parent ]

You misunderstand what he said. (none / 1) (#296)
by aphrael on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 01:54:29 PM EST

When he said 'sponsorship' he meant 'account sponsorship' - eg, a plan by which new accounts could only be created if they were sponsored by existing accounts. He posted a description of that plan when he first turned account creation off, and it was widely derided within that post, and in irc.

[ Parent ]
in the mood (none / 0) (#308)
by bfoo on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 03:38:20 PM EST

"Just in the mood" isn't a good reason? I mean, aren't /you/ having a mood right about now? :)

[ Parent ]
yes (none / 0) (#402)
by Kuro5hin Fiction Author on Thu Jul 22, 2004 at 07:41:22 PM EST

Or are you saying that we were simply outright stupid to have gone along with your "idea."

That's pretty much the impression I've gotten from responses online and in e-mail. A 'frankly, you fell for it' kind of feeling.

/former paying member.
__
It it's false, I may have said it.
[ Parent ]

you're still on the naughty list. [nt] (1.50 / 4) (#237)
by the77x42 on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 02:27:07 AM EST




"We're not here to educate. We're here to point and laugh." - creature
"You have some pretty stupid ideas." - indubitable ‮

meanwhile... whoa! (1.75 / 4) (#238)
by dimaq on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 02:42:46 AM EST

whoa someone actually emailed mr rusty for an account...
whoa he actually read those emails!

emails for accounts (none / 2) (#295)
by aphrael on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 01:53:16 PM EST

have been coming in at the rate of 4-5 a week since account creation was turned off.

[ Parent ]
I am nervous (2.50 / 4) (#244)
by esrever on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 04:19:41 AM EST

About what will happen.  As the comments of this story indicate there are already more than a few new accounts obviously created to troll (several hidden comments).  I've 0'ed a few.  I guess we'll have to wait and see.  Doubtless Nigga is back - Hi Nigga!   (hang on, did you ever get booted?  Or was that gangsta?  I'm confused, anyhow...) and several of our other more infamous members.  Ah well, take the good with the bad, I suppose...

On the balance, I guess this is a good thing.  Props to rusty for having the balls to do it; although I'd be happier seeing some mechanism in place along with this move to alleviate issues with our newest trolling friends...

Audit NTFS permissions on Windows

Well.... (2.33 / 3) (#245)
by l3nz on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 04:22:09 AM EST

It was long due. The site was going down, and the impossibility of creating new users was a symptom of a more general problem with the community. Let's see if this move helps.

Popk ToDo lists - yet another web-based ToDo list manager. 100% AJAX free :-)

Lest you forget why (none / 1) (#278)
by cestmoi on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 10:46:07 AM EST

Rusty shut signups down because some asshole gave himself a bogus account and posted some porn with Rusty's wife's portrait photoshopped into the picture. Since the asshole had to have known what she looks like, it fingers Rusty's "friends" as the likely suspects. So one of Rusty's friends betrays the friendship and Rusty reacts as most of us would in similar circumstances.

The problem with people abusing accounts hasn't been dealt with. All that's happened here is Rusty doesn't want to see his creation die. Somehow or another, if K5 is to survive long term, account abuse has to be dealt with.

[ Parent ]

Er (none / 2) (#284)
by rusty on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 11:46:12 AM EST

No, the guy was some basement-dweller in WA. The picture was from the public intarweb.

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Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]
Thank you rusty! (2.50 / 4) (#247)
by nebbish on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 04:29:55 AM EST

I have to say I lost faith, but you've done the right thing and proved me wrong. I am very pleased.

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Kicking someone in the head is like punching them in the foot - Bruce Lee

well can i be the 250th person to say (2.14 / 7) (#250)
by fleece on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 04:34:39 AM EST

OMG!



I feel like some drunken crazed lunatic trying to outguess a cat ~ Louis Winthorpe III
Thank you, Rusty (2.33 / 3) (#254)
by Blarney on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 06:57:58 AM EST



I always knew you'd cave rusty... (1.70 / 10) (#255)
by CheesebugerBrown on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 07:27:26 AM EST

just when we thought you really had a backbone...

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The quest for the Grail is the quest for that which is holy in all of us. Plus, I really need a place to keep my juice.

I don't know what to say. (2.40 / 5) (#298)
by cheeseburger brown on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 01:56:26 PM EST

I don't know what to write either.

[ Parent ]
neither do I -nt- (none / 0) (#401)
by dinks on Wed Jul 21, 2004 at 11:00:25 AM EST



[ Parent ]
I hope the wait was worth it... (2.75 / 4) (#256)
by outis on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 07:32:31 AM EST

...because I have been reading this site for months now and am glad that I finally get the chance to contribute.

That, my dear sir, was a very wise decision (2.80 / 5) (#257)
by wobblywizard on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 08:01:39 AM EST

I am firmly convinced, that the advantages more than outweigh the disadvantages. Of course, my being on this site with an account not being the last of the advantages ;-)

thank you, rusty (1.66 / 3) (#258)
by tricyrtis on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 08:08:08 AM EST

now i can refocus my unfulfilled longings on the treo600 instead of having to split my focus between it and a legit login here.
goodmorningsystemshowcanihelpyou?
I can be a jerk again! (1.66 / 6) (#262)
by codejack on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 08:53:33 AM EST

Yay! Now I can make numerous spurious accounts, run roughshod over those (few) whom I cannot trash legitimately, maybe even just reply to every post on the site with "Why? N/T"!!

No more having to be careful what I write, so I don't get one of my remaining accounts banned! Thank you Rusty!


Please read before posting.

WHY? N/T (none / 1) (#279)
by Argon on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 10:51:56 AM EST

Shit, couldn't help my self.

[ Parent ]
exactly! (none / 2) (#310)
by codejack on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 03:58:32 PM EST

n/t


Please read before posting.

[ Parent ]
How about this... (2.66 / 3) (#267)
by Alhazred on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 09:27:29 AM EST

Just let us rate users. Give everyone the ability to specify a list of 'trusted advisors' who's ratings we pay attention to and deep6 kaka from people that are rated poorly on that list.

Give us some tools for seeing what kind of ratings people have and what kind they make, and create a 'smart matching' function which seeks out users who's reading habits, ratings, and postings match up well with our own, thus we can sort out our own 'sub-communities'.

Basically this would mirror Steve Moyer's Nodes Network concept (albeit on a more limited scale). I'm sure Steve, if he is still paying attention to this site, can give you some more detailed ideas on how to do some of this, and perhaps even some code!
That is not dead which may eternal lie And with strange aeons death itself may die.

Rating? Why not? (1.57 / 7) (#268)
by wobblywizard on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 09:30:56 AM EST

Being new to this site, I just noticed, I cannot repeatedly rate my own comments with a 3. In fact, I cannot rate my comments _at all_ myself. What do you propose I should do when looking for instantaneous intellectual self-gratification (no, not that one)? I am not prepared to go to all the trouble to sign up another or maybe even multiple other accounts, as this would be just too bothersome and involve remembering passwords, which has always been a nuisance to me. I'd just like to point my buddies who complain about me and my elaborate style to this site saying "look, here, in the presence of noteworthy men, I am valued. See, lotsa threes." Guess I just have to trust in your good taste, dear reader...

This is great (2.00 / 2) (#269)
by Hipotecado on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 09:33:40 AM EST

I have be waiting for months.
Hipotecado.
Congrats Rusty (2.33 / 3) (#273)
by tmenezes on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 09:48:41 AM EST

That was a great decision.

Welcome to me. (1.66 / 3) (#274)
by minotaurcomputing on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 10:09:47 AM EST

Been waiting forever to do this.  I look forward to being part of the conversations.
-m

# # http://www.modus-ponens.com # http://www.minotaurcomputing.com #
Finally. (1.66 / 3) (#276)
by Steppin Razor on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 10:36:59 AM EST

Thank you!

Keep open minded, but not that open your brain falls out.
THANX! (2.00 / 4) (#277)
by Dreamaster on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 10:40:29 AM EST

I've been lurking for a bit now - thought it was time to register a name and join the fun! Greeting all!
____________________
Mostly Harmless
Finally (1.66 / 3) (#280)
by mistic on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 11:18:55 AM EST

Well thanks a lot you guys, have been waiting for this day a looooooooong time...

It's about time! (1.66 / 3) (#282)
by glaive00 on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 11:33:17 AM EST

:) I was getting tired of lurking. Thanks, Rusty.

"keep an eye on new users" (2.20 / 15) (#283)
by circletimessquare on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 11:45:23 AM EST

the troll issue on sites like kuro5hin is one you can take care of easily by bitchslapping the accounts into modded oblivion or outright deleting the accounts, if someone on the admin staff has the balls to do so, slashdot seems to have a good handle on this problem

the problem is, there is nothing automatic about it, it requires constant human intervention: there just isn't any automated technical answer to problems of trolls (although a complaint reporting system and a mod threshold, say those who continually get below 0.5, that helps: it flags accounts for human scrutiny and judgment)

now dupe accounts are a bigger problem, because if you think about it, there is no technical or human solution to this

ip addresses don't work (dynamically assigned ips, many computers behind a firewall, spoofing, etc.)

the problem is, on a site with democratic ambitions like kuro5hin, the ability of someone to greatly influence the outcome of an ideologically contentious story is a real serious problem: there is a strong incentive for someone who loves a bad story with an ideological slant they love or who hates a good story with an ideological slant they hate to register dupe accounts and fire away

at the VERY least, rusty should implement a delay of one day on accounts to have voting abilities... this creates a damper on impulse-driven voting rage

but even combining human intuition with some well written log analyzing tools to catch lazy dupe account holders (4 accounts in half an hour with the same ip voting against a story), is a LOT of hard, concentrated work

if you think about it, a determined dupe account holder will get by any system you implement (randomize their access times, spoof their ips, use different machines: work/ home/ mobile access, etc.)

but you CAN greatly raise the bar on dupe accounts and make it very difficult for dupe account holders to do their mischief

one idea: i think rusty should implement a threshold system for voting

that is, only users who post at a certain frequency (at least a couple of posts per month, for at least a month, for example: proving they are a living breathing account with interest invested in the health of the site) and only accounts that get modded above a certain score on average (say 1.5)... those are the only accounts that should be allowed to vote on stories

again, dupe account holders can get around this, but at least it makes them work harder to do so, and that really means something: the harder it is for a dupe account holder to manipulate story outcomes, the better

rusty used have a system about allowing 0 modding of stories, and used to have a system whereby certain high-frequency, high-modded users could review and reverse hidden comments... so he has half of the code necessarty for such a system in hand already

you can never get rid of the dupes completely, but you can apply pressure with some clever ideas here and there and reduce their influence significantly, to the point where no one can rightly gripe about them, greatly increasing confidence in the site and pleasure with the experience here

and one more thing: NO MORE MOD BOMBERS!!!!!!!!

if an account never posts, and continually rates comments at 0, or 1: KILL THE ACCOUNT

i mean come on, is there a better definition of asocial activity that ruins user experience on a website?


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

I'm sure... (none / 1) (#288)
by skyknight on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 12:36:53 PM EST

that creating an AI bot to scour the Scoop database for malicious users will help with page load times.

It's not much fun at the top. I envy the common people, their hearty meals and Bruce Springsteen and voting. --SIGNOR SPAGHETTI
[ Parent ]
who said anything about ai? (nt) (none / 1) (#312)
by circletimessquare on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 04:03:29 PM EST



The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]
Well... (none / 1) (#313)
by skyknight on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 04:14:40 PM EST

You talked about the tedium of having human moderators keeping an eye on problems, and seemed to think that some stuff should be automated. Really what we want is an AI that could do the job of a moderator. I wonder if it would be possible to train an AI by having it observe the behavior of human moderators. By observing human actions, maybe it could learn that an account having only a bunch of negative comments was a bad thing, and then proceed to delete such accounts. Of course, we'd want to make sure that the AI's actions were reversible, because for erroneous actions we would want both to "punish" the AI, as well as undo its actions. Now, that particular example is fairly simple, but presumably an AI could infer more complicated infractions of netiquette. I should think that anything that you or I could do as moderators could be done by an AI, given enough training data. Of course, that's a big "given", as it'd probably need to attain natural language understanding as well as contextual knowledge of the physical world at large. This would probably take 20-30 years of constant learning, and I don't know about you, but I find that the Scoop machine is already pretty damn slow. :-)



It's not much fun at the top. I envy the common people, their hearty meals and Bruce Springsteen and voting. --SIGNOR SPAGHETTI
[ Parent ]
dude (none / 1) (#320)
by circletimessquare on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 04:23:16 PM EST

that's like killing a fly with an elephant gun

the solution should not be more of a headache than the problem

The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]

absolutely (2.00 / 3) (#329)
by reklaw on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 05:44:34 PM EST

Unfortunately, on sites like Slashdot and K5, the solution always ends up being way more of a headache than the problem ever was. I think it's all down to a certain geeky WAY-COOL-we-can-solve-this-with-EQUATIONS mindset, myself.
-
[ Parent ]
ala DailyKos waiting period? /mt (none / 1) (#304)
by kpaul on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 02:49:35 PM EST


2014 Halloween Costumes
[ Parent ]
actually, i was thinking fark ;-) (nt) (none / 1) (#311)
by circletimessquare on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 04:03:03 PM EST



The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]
potatos/potatoes ;) (1.50 / 2) (#344)
by kpaul on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 08:49:01 PM EST

p.s. i love being able to say that in an OC meeting.

"blah blah blah our website got farked ..."

"What did you say!?!"

"You know... farked."

;)


2014 Halloween Costumes
[ Parent ]

dailykos sucks! (1.00 / 3) (#347)
by circletimessquare on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 09:59:41 PM EST

i went there for the first time tonight, and i hate it
  1. it's ideological slant is too blatant. i consider myself liberal, but i like to see the broad spectrum of beliefs, not masturbate over my own in a circlejerk
  2. too much political minutiae. snore...
  3. obviously very upper middle class earnest college kid in appeal. fuck the rich


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]
heh. (1.50 / 2) (#355)
by kpaul on Thu Jul 15, 2004 at 12:12:54 AM EST

i wonder what 'they' say about 'us' ;)

seriously, tho, i've posted here, sporks-r-us, husi and daily kos.

maybe i fit in a little at all of the sites?

shared log-ins, etc. would be cool.

maybe next we'll see the CMF rise up and claim its dominant position on the intarweb. ;)


2014 Halloween Costumes
[ Parent ]

how hard can it be to start a non-profit? (1.33 / 3) (#356)
by smart guy on Thu Jul 15, 2004 at 01:32:30 AM EST

i bet if RobotSlave started now, he could have the papers filed by Friday.

"K5 will never go back to fully open membership. Sorry, that's just the way it is, and I'm not willing to debate this issue." -Rusty
[ Parent ]

as a matter of fact (none / 1) (#357)
by smart guy on Thu Jul 15, 2004 at 02:03:37 AM EST

Washington residents can get a DBA online with a credit card for $20. i wonder if "Collaborative Media Foundation" is taken.

"K5 will never go back to fully open membership. Sorry, that's just the way it is, and I'm not willing to debate this issue." -Rusty
[ Parent ]

Slashdot does have a few things right... (1.50 / 2) (#334)
by pdboddy on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 07:14:17 PM EST

Have a core group of moderators, whom you know aren't trolls or who would create multiple accounts. Add to this group of moderators a rotating group of people in good standing, with a certain minimum of number of posts in good standing to qualify. So to vote you'd have to have been around for a while, and have posted "good" posts (being non-flames, non-trolls, etc). That should cut down on most of the people who would create fake accounts to vote with. As you likely know, Slashdot has moderator points, and meta-moderating. They use this to mod responses to the original posts. What they don't have, however, is the voting system to decide what gets posted and what doesn't. But Kuro5hin could use the Slashdot system to both moderate the replies to the original posts, and to moderate the votes on which original stories get posted. I'm sure this has been brought up before, so I don't mean to preach to the converted, so to speak...
If we are what we eat, I'm cheap, fast and easy.
[ Parent ]
Aren't you esssentially describing dialykos? [n/t] (none / 1) (#340)
by RandomLiegh on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 08:22:03 PM EST



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Thought of the week: There is no thought this week.
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[ Parent ]
never been there until now and i don't like it (1.00 / 3) (#341)
by circletimessquare on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 08:31:01 PM EST

i just looked over that site for the first time right now, and it is most definitely not my cup of tea
  1. it's ideological slant is too blatant. i consider myself liberal, but i like to see the broad spectrum of beliefs, not masturbate over my own in a circlejerk.
  2. too much political minutiae. snore...
  3. obviously very upper middle class earnest college kid in appeal. fuck the rich.


The tigers of wrath are wiser than the horses of instruction.

[ Parent ]
While I agree with each of your points (1.50 / 2) (#343)
by RandomLiegh on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 08:40:55 PM EST

my biggest gripe with the site is esthetic; it's ugly as sin (IMHO). Which wouldn't be enough to drive me away..if it weren't for the other points which you've already covered.

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Thought of the week: There is no thought this week.
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[ Parent ]
A frightening site (1.50 / 2) (#367)
by nebbish on Thu Jul 15, 2004 at 11:42:50 AM EST

All the replies I received to my comments had to mention how much better things would be under the democrats. It's like they've all been brainwashed or something.

It could possibly become interesting if the Democrats win the election, and the forum turns to criticising them more.

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Kicking someone in the head is like punching them in the foot - Bruce Lee
[ Parent ]

or -more likely- atrophies into irrelevency [n/t] (1.50 / 2) (#369)
by RandomLiegh on Thu Jul 15, 2004 at 01:00:49 PM EST



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Thought of the week: There is no thought this week.
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[ Parent ]
Another idea... (1.75 / 8) (#292)
by AmirS on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 01:26:57 PM EST

How about this: Moderators, staff etc. can delete troll posts and trolls, but do not delete their accounts. Instead let them be the only people who can see their own posts, so as far as they can tell, they have not had their accounts deleted.
The advantage is that as long as they do not realise they have been deleted etc, they will not create a new dupe account, and they can carry on posting wtf they like, and the rest of the world does not have to read their crap.
Is that reasonable? I reckon it should be fairly easy to implement (easier than other schemes I've seen posted, anyway), what do you all think?

That sounds cruelly appropriate (1.00 / 2) (#293)
by Shimmer on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 01:29:15 PM EST

I like it.

Wizard needs food badly.
[ Parent ]
I thought quite a bit about this some time ago (1.50 / 2) (#309)
by ElMiguel on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 03:39:36 PM EST

And the problem is that it would be trivial for trolls to check with a second account if they had been marked as trolls, so it wouldn't be very effective.

Perhaps a better idea would be to let certain users choose to have their accounts "protected", so they wouldn't see the trolls' comments. It would have to be done in such a way that it was hard for trolls to have their non-troll accounts protected. If trolls couldn't tell if they have been marked as trolls or not the measure would be much more effective.

So how to choose which users can have their accounts protected? Maybe choose the most active ones, so someone would have to be active in a non-troll account to even know if his troll account had been marked as such or not. Also, the most active users are probably the most attractive victims, so this could take the most fun off of trolling.

Anyway, given the amount of energy the trolls seem willing to spend to annoy the other users, I'm not sure this would help.

[ Parent ]

Wouldn't they notice... (1.50 / 2) (#316)
by skyknight on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 04:17:59 PM EST

when nobody ever replied to or rated a single one of their comments?

It's not much fun at the top. I envy the common people, their hearty meals and Bruce Springsteen and voting. --SIGNOR SPAGHETTI
[ Parent ]
Possibly (none / 1) (#337)
by AmirS on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 07:46:39 PM EST

Some would definitely notice, but whether it's useful would depend on whether it cuts out 90% or 10% of trolls. I reckon only a few % of trolls would notice, most might just assume that ppl don't want to reply to them.

[ Parent ]
Public ignore list ??? (none / 1) (#342)
by suquux on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 08:32:34 PM EST

With an enumeration in the user info and automatic account removal past a determined threshold ?

CC.
All that we C or Scheme ...
[ Parent ]
actually, the solution is much simpler than that. (1.33 / 3) (#376)
by rmg on Thu Jul 15, 2004 at 07:52:35 PM EST

if rusty would finally cave make me an editor, i could quickly eliminate crapflooding while adhering to those wonderful principles of rusty's.

you see, rusty's stuck. he has all these nice ideas about democracy and all that crap, but he has no idea how to make them work in practice. that's why he needs a technocratic bastard like myself.

under my guidance, kuro5hin would become a veritable online utopia. there'd be no crapflooders and no troll politics.

now you ask: what makes you think you can do all this? well, it's simple. i know this site forward and backward. i know who all the trolls are (there aren't that many individuals trolling this site. less than 15.) and i detect them right away. i possess various other talents and resources as well, but i will not go into them here.

in any case, the answer is not kill files or empowering users. indeed, users are too empowered as it is. you need someone who'll take out the trash quickly, efficiently, and without a lot of fuss. that person is me.

_____

if i do not respond, it is because you wrote nothing worthy of response.

dave dean[ Parent ]

hehe (none / 1) (#386)
by Armada on Fri Jul 16, 2004 at 06:33:44 PM EST

I'd be the first troll rmg would ban too, I'm certain.

[ Parent ]
Uh, right. (none / 1) (#389)
by eeg3 on Sat Jul 17, 2004 at 03:38:51 AM EST

With such witty and convincing rhetoric, I can see the reasons behind your editor status, or lack thereof. Seig heil, rmg.

-- eeg3(.com)
[ Parent ]
Rusty, please make rmg an editor. (none / 1) (#394)
by Ta bu shi da yu on Sun Jul 18, 2004 at 09:05:35 AM EST

Not because I think it's a good idea, it's just I'd find it amusing that he'd have to ban himself.

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AdTIה"the think tank that didn't".
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[ Parent ]
It's not that he hates trolls, (none / 1) (#397)
by UCF BullitNutz on Tue Jul 20, 2004 at 05:43:19 AM EST

but "troll politics."

You know, the politics of "whoever can speak fastest and loudest, and then use the either/or fallacy to back others in a debate into a corner."

I'm all for banning those who do that. Though it might be tough to ban that many accounts over a short period of time. However, afterwards, K5 would be a better (and probably faster, due to the loss of traffic congestion from trolls doing their trolling thing) place to do the k5 thing.
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" It ain't a successful troll until the admin shuts off new user registration for half a year." - godix
[ Parent ]

you misunderstand. (none / 1) (#398)
by rmg on Tue Jul 20, 2004 at 10:36:47 AM EST

i like trolls who employ the logical facilities you mention. i don't like "trolls" who are just here to tell each other lame jokes like they do on irc and in the slashdot sids. that sort of thing should be eliminated.

k5 actually had good trolls before those lamers got here.

_____

if i do not respond, it is because you wrote nothing worthy of response.

dave dean[ Parent ]

Block By Mac? (1.50 / 2) (#391)
by cgenman on Sat Jul 17, 2004 at 01:54:19 PM EST

Every layer added to what a troll must do to keep trolling will reduce the total number.  Forcing them to open a second account and monitor it regularly will add another layer to that, and to that layer you could say that all addresses which appear to share an IP always see eachother's posts, though that adds quite a bit of logic to the server code.

Here's a question, however.  I know routers can see the MAC address of a particular piece of hardware, but can remote systems?  In other words, would it be possible for Kuro5hin to "smack a mac?"  

This, of course, would be possible to get around by modulating your MAC address, but how many people are going to A: know what that is and B: go to the lengths to do that simply to post "FUK U" on a web board?

 
- This Sig is a mnemonic device designed to allow you to recognize this author in the future. This is only a device.
[ Parent ]

Uh. (1.50 / 2) (#393)
by Ta bu shi da yu on Sun Jul 18, 2004 at 09:04:08 AM EST

Once the packet leaves the network, the MAC address is no longer needed.

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AdTIה"the think tank that didn't".
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[ Parent ]
Basically (none / 0) (#409)
by phraggle on Mon Sep 13, 2004 at 05:20:36 AM EST

no.

[ Parent ]
Delete trolls? (none / 0) (#415)
by Sarojin on Thu Dec 09, 2004 at 12:10:01 AM EST

I was under the impression that trolling was a desirable thing on this site. Was I misinformed?

[ Parent ]
How about individualized block lists? (none / 1) (#418)
by Kadin2048 on Thu Apr 14, 2005 at 01:35:32 AM EST

I would much prefer the ability just to censor what I see, rather than site-wide blocking. Or perhaps in addition to the removal of really obnoxious trolls by the mods.

But at any rate, I would really like the ability to block certain people from my view of K5. I think that if you had this feature, when a person got obnoxious enough so as to become a general nuisance to the community, they would simply find themselves transparently and automatically filtered from everyone else's screens. The effect being we'd just ignore the trolls to death.

It's just like having a blacklist of known spammers on your email, or the block list on AIM, with everyone maintaining their own lists based on their own feelings of what is offensive/obnoxious content.

And for the people who want to read the trolls, for whatever dubious entertainment they provide, the entire thing would be opt-in. Heck, if you wanted to you could block everyone except the trolls (if Hell has computers, this is what they'd be set to).

[ Parent ]

Shut the fuck up. (none / 0) (#419)
by Nosf3ratu on Wed Apr 20, 2005 at 09:56:43 PM EST

You mod-bombing piece of shit.


Woo!
[ Parent ]
Thanks (2.00 / 4) (#319)
by omiKron on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 04:20:19 PM EST

Been reading for many months now for some reason... the content here isn't always stellar but with such a diverse array of topics I've grown to find it in my 'check when bored' bookmarks... it's a shame what lengths idiots on the internet will go to (re: tasteless photoshoppin')... Anyway, great news. I'm here, and about to fade back into unawareness.
MUTATE & SURVIVE
Sweet! (1.75 / 4) (#324)
by pdboddy on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 05:26:31 PM EST

As one of the aforementioned people who've emailed requesting accounts, thank ya for opening Kuro5hin up again for new members.
If we are what we eat, I'm cheap, fast and easy.
Thanks Rusty! (1.60 / 5) (#346)
by Quiplash on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 09:56:29 PM EST

Thank you for letting us create new user accounts.

yeah yeah, straight up (none / 1) (#365)
by opendjdk on Thu Jul 15, 2004 at 09:58:51 AM EST

word to rusty! thanks man!
YEAH! what he said!
[ Parent ]
Finally (1.80 / 5) (#349)
by Matt Oneiros on Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 10:40:02 PM EST

perhaps k5 will once again become one of my favourite sites!

I've always felt the influx of n00bs was what kept it fun, fresh and exciting.

Lobstery is not real
signed the cow
when stating that life is merely an illusion
and that what you love is all that's real

Wohoo (1.75 / 4) (#378)
by Mysidia on Thu Jul 15, 2004 at 11:36:28 PM EST

New users again...great [eg]

AS for the concept of sponsorship being well stupid... I disagree: I think it could be done effectively with other changes. I don't think the implementation described/planned would have been a good idea though.



-Mysidia the insane @k5
Rating users by number of posts (2.75 / 12) (#381)
by sherbang on Fri Jul 16, 2004 at 09:40:56 AM EST

I've read at least a few comments here that suggest the users who post more should be more priviledged in some way or another then users who post less.

I'd like to disagree with that.  I'm usually just a lurker, and only post on the rare occasions when I think I have something to add that hasn't already been said 50 times. I'd not appreciate being penalized for this, and not having all the "me toos" be rewarded.


Me too. (2.25 / 8) (#387)
by Violet Null on Fri Jul 16, 2004 at 09:55:32 PM EST

Me too!

[ Parent ]
How about an invitation system? (1.75 / 4) (#385)
by Sap on Fri Jul 16, 2004 at 06:33:10 PM EST

Maybe a good medium between the sponsorship program and a total lockdown of accounts is simply an invite system like gmail and orkut. Given Google's success with gmail and orkut, I think there is something about an invitation only community that draws people.

gmail and orkut have something to offer (1.50 / 2) (#392)
by Red Rat on Sat Jul 17, 2004 at 02:34:09 PM EST

Imagine recieving this in your inbox:
Hello, someone has invited you to join Kuro5hin!

As I'm sure you've heard, Kuro5hin is a gated community of techno-geeks. Sign up and start developing content/cashflow for Rusty TODAY!

It's not the invitations that draw people. Everyone would have signed up for gmail regardless.

[ Parent ]
Agree (none / 1) (#399)
by Mitheral on Tue Jul 20, 2004 at 06:23:56 PM EST

Exactly. And I still don't have an orkut account.

[ Parent ]
want one? -nt- (none / 1) (#400)
by dinks on Wed Jul 21, 2004 at 10:54:50 AM EST



[ Parent ]
I do entee (none / 1) (#407)
by dipierro on Wed Aug 11, 2004 at 10:29:27 PM EST



[ Parent ]
New User probation (1.62 / 8) (#395)
by Orion Blastar on Mon Jul 19, 2004 at 12:00:12 PM EST

use a service like Passport or KeyType to confirm the user's identity. Then give them access only to their own journals and read-only access to stories and other people's journals. They can post in their own journals and if the posts are acceptable they can be released from probation. If not, you can just nuke the user and the journal if they abuse it.

This will require people, be it editors or moderators, to decide if the journal entries are good enough to lift probation. I wouldn't trust user points, someone with four accounts could mod up the journals to get the user accepted if you go by user points.

Perhaps a new user que needs to be added that only editors and moderators can assign points to probationary new user accounts? So they can look only at journals of users on probation. Make someone work to get a new account off probation rather than give them full access for nothing.

Just a suggestion, not that anyone ever took my suggestions before, but I thought I'd try. :)
*** Anonymized by intolerant editors at K5 and also IWETHEY who are biased against the mentally ill ***

SXIP/TypeKey/Passport integration would be useful (none / 0) (#411)
by crysflame on Mon Oct 04, 2004 at 06:29:20 PM EST

I'd definitely like to see Kuro5hin integrate with existing identity services, so that I can bring to bear all of my 20+ social networking presences as proof that I am not trying to hide who I am. While this is no guarantee that I won't be a bad person, it is a guarantee that I'm not trying to be hard to find - and some of those services are verified against my financial information, such as TypeKey.

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Oh, do you didn't die after all. <nt> (1.25 / 8) (#403)
by Vesperto on Fri Jul 23, 2004 at 07:21:21 AM EST


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Thanks... (1.75 / 8) (#404)
by Marnhinn on Sat Jul 24, 2004 at 05:58:48 PM EST

I've been visiting this place for a while.  Glad to finally get an account!

Is it progress if a cannibal uses a fork?
Finally! (none / 0) (#408)
by Pkchukiss on Sat Sep 04, 2004 at 10:36:07 AM EST

I noticed this nice community on my last visit (forgot when that was), but was very disappointed that I couldn't get an account and start sharing my thoughts... I was sorely tempted to shoot a plea to all the e-mail addresses that I could find, but since I was on expensive dial-up, and would not have been able to participate actively then, I figured that I could wait until I got broadband before visiting this community again.

I was pleasantly surprised that I could get an account now! And now I am over the moon just waxing lyrical over everything under the sun! Finally!

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Ignorant no more
My blog
[ Parent ]

hi there (1.14 / 14) (#405)
by Nights In White Satin on Sat Jul 31, 2004 at 05:49:44 AM EST

thanks for the kind words rusty. RUSTINA WILL RETURN YOU DUMBSHIT
Nights in white satin, never reaching the end.
I have to say it.... (none / 0) (#413)
by CookTing on Mon Nov 22, 2004 at 09:20:52 PM EST

Thanks Rusty! It feels good to be back.... even though I think you secretly love the trolls like they're your children. :-P

I lost my account (none / 0) (#414)
by nikkiterrace on Tue Nov 30, 2004 at 03:12:41 AM EST

I lost my account and now created another one, after a long while reading the front page. I thought of giving up K5 but now I'm back. Thanks Rusty.

HostDirectory: A guide to choose the right hosting option for your site. PHP, ASP and JSP.

About the blogads chunk. (none / 0) (#416)
by HereticMessiah on Sun Jan 02, 2005 at 12:09:31 AM EST

Any chance of floating it to the left when on the article views rather than plonking it in its own table column? Not terribly important, but it'd be nice.

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Cheers, Rusty! (none / 0) (#417)
by HereticMessiah on Mon Jan 10, 2005 at 11:54:35 AM EST

That's much better!

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New What? (none / 0) (#420)
by ABlix on Wed May 25, 2005 at 01:12:11 PM EST

I haven't had too much time to read over the entire method, the computer isn't as fun as you guys make it out to be. It is a good link, however. I wouldn't feel comfortable with the implication, but it would be of tremendous help. I'm not sure how to set this up completely though. I gotta reinstall Windows when I get the time (probably later today), but once again the fact that I found this, and the implications from this news article seem to be a little too astounding. I also think people should stop being so excited about the new technology, it may be a fun game, but that's all it is. The better technology outside of binary code is what everyone should be mainly concerned about.

jk (none / 0) (#421)
by ABlix on Wed May 25, 2005 at 01:21:23 PM EST

Just kidding.

[ Parent ]
i'm gay n/t (1.00 / 3) (#422)
by lol jews did london on Thu Jul 07, 2005 at 11:33:15 AM EST



you sure are n.t. (none / 0) (#423)
by hypersonic mook custard on Sat Jul 09, 2005 at 07:45:57 AM EST



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[ Parent ]
cock. /nt (none / 1) (#424)
by schnogir on Tue Jul 12, 2005 at 06:24:37 AM EST



[ Parent ]
fuck you (none / 1) (#426)
by hypersonic mook custard on Fri Jul 15, 2005 at 07:24:43 AM EST

prick

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[ Parent ]
Will you kiss me? (none / 0) (#427)
by yahweh87547 on Thu Jul 21, 2005 at 09:19:04 PM EST

On the lips?

[ Parent ]
Why? (none / 1) (#428)
by hypersonic mook custard on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 12:32:15 PM EST



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The chocolate's in the biscuit.
[ Parent ]
don't you love me ;_; (none / 0) (#429)
by yahweh87547 on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 12:43:50 PM EST



[ Parent ]
this website sucks. /nt (1.00 / 3) (#425)
by schnogir on Wed Jul 13, 2005 at 01:02:20 PM EST



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