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Same Card, Different Speeds?

By squirrel in Technology
Wed Sep 20, 2000 at 12:41:25 AM EST
Tags: Hardware (all tags)
Hardware

HardOCP on Monday posted an editorial about the speed of ATI's new video card, the Radeon. Many hardware sites have already reported that while the 64MB Radeon runs at 183MHz the 32MB version only clocks in at 166MHz due to slower, less expensive RAM. ATI gives the customer no hint that the 32MB card runs slower and this lack of disclosure is what HardOCP is railing against. But now there's a new twist: HardOCP claims to now have many emails from people who purchased the 64MB Radeon only to find it clocked at 166MHz instead of the proper 183MHz.


If ATI is indeed selling 64MB Radeons at 166MHz, they are in for a world of hurt. Here in the USA we call that FRAUD. Yes, it's true that ATI has the right to offer their card at various different clock speeds. Yes, OEM cards are only intended for sale to Original Equipment Manufacturers and end users are supposed to purchase retail cards. But OEM sales have been growing steadily along with the recent e-commerce boom and ATI has certainly done nothing to discourage end users from buying these cards. Also ATI's official comments have lead hardware review sites to believe that the 32MB Radeons are the only Radeons running at the slower clock speed. This would be as if Intel sold their new 1.1GHz processors but failed to mention the cheaper OEM versions would only run at 1.0GHz.

Likewise, HardOCP is going out on a limb here. So far no major hardware sites have backed up these claims and HardOCP itself does not possess one of the offending cards. Several OTHER people have also written in to tell Kyle Bennett (of HardOCP) that he's out of his fscking mind. Kyle does get some credibility points for his role in bringing to light the recent 1.13GHz Pentium bug, but this time he may be just a little too enthusiastic. The coming week should tell if ATI will fry or HardOCP jumped the gun.

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Same Card, Different Speeds? | 10 comments (5 topical, 5 editorial, 0 hidden)
other stuff like this? (2.25 / 4) (#3)
by acb on Tue Sep 19, 2000 at 11:18:57 AM EST

I guess it's not just fraud in the united states, people here in .au would get pretty shitty if a company tried to pull some shit off like that :P

What other companies (if any) are making lower end products slightly worse (moreso the expected) to hopefully flog off millions of the top end variety?

But yeah, could this just be a silly reviewer or ATI fucked up something chronic somewhere along the line?
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this is dumb (2.75 / 4) (#6)
by evro on Tue Sep 19, 2000 at 11:34:03 AM EST

Does it say on the box/website/specs "183 MHz memory"? If not, I don't see what the big deal is. If they want to make all their cards 166mhz, so what?
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Re: this is dumb (1.00 / 1) (#9)
by plastik55 on Wed Sep 20, 2000 at 01:51:12 AM EST

It makes a difference if they ever sold ANY cards with a 183Mhz memory bus, of if ANY of the cards they provided to reviewers had the higher speed. That would qualify as fraud on ATI's part. However I don't see much hard evidence to back up the accusations.
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Too much rumor (4.40 / 5) (#7)
by Precious Roy on Tue Sep 19, 2000 at 11:50:58 AM EST

This story could be interesting if any of the points could be proven. But there's no indication that ATI is actually advertising any of these cards at the faster speed, and no verification from another source that they run at the slower speed. (The poster acknwoledges as much.)

And even then, this story is of (at best) limited interest.

Overclocking (5.00 / 1) (#10)
by CoreyGH on Wed Sep 20, 2000 at 01:06:56 PM EST

Head over to this report at Sharky Extreme to see the results of a comparison of the Radeon 64mb and the Radeon All-in-Wonder (it's a 32mb version). More importantly, the artical talks about a 3rd party overclocking utility for the Radeon cards. Interestingly enough, in Sharky's test the 32mb overclocked card outperformed the 64mb card accross ALL resolutions of their Quake3 test.

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