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US Imposes Sanctions on Ukraine for CD Piracy

By prostoalex in Technology
Tue Dec 25, 2001 at 12:17:11 PM EST
Tags: Technology (all tags)

Having waited since June 2000 and obviously deciding that enough is enough the U.S. government imposed sanctions worth $75M dollars on Ukraine. That means that US will refuse to buy $75M worth of Ukrainian steel, clothes, textile and footwear next year, which is a bad news for Ukrainian exporters.

RIAA did not pass an opportunity to accentuate its involvement with an issue and published a verbose press release expressing its satisfaction with the decision.

Apparently there are those who are discontent with the sanctions as well as those who cheer. Among the former is the Ukrainian CD manufacturing industry, who effectively lobbied the government claiming that imposition of strict laws and CD production would kill the young industry.


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US Imposes Sanctions on Ukraine for CD Piracy | 22 comments (17 topical, 5 editorial, 0 hidden)
Nice to see that we take on the biggies.. (4.50 / 6) (#6)
by fanatic on Tue Dec 25, 2001 at 03:11:46 PM EST

Isn't China generally conceded to be a huge enclave of illegal copying of anything on CDs? We don't seem to be giving them any grief over it.

China has beome an interesting place (none / 0) (#22)
by andrewm on Sun Jan 06, 2002 at 10:06:53 PM EST

Apparantly China is busy cracking down on pirated software, now it's joined the WTO. This was supposed to enable western software companies to have access to the Chinese market, with reasonable controls on piracy. (Apparantly they were given grief over this - and have actually started to do something about it, although it'll take time before they get anywhere.)

So after all that effort putting pressure on China, it's really a pity they've taken to having local companies supply Linux based systems. :)

this amused me, anyway

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WTO (4.14 / 7) (#7)
by Weezul on Tue Dec 25, 2001 at 08:39:57 PM EST

Question: What dose the Ukraine have to gain by joining the WTO? It seems to me like all forms of "international law" have been a disaster for the people of the countries involved.

It's interesting to note that the Ukraine CD manufacturing industry has some strong precident baking up their claims: Didn't the U.S. publishing industry get it's steam rolling by pirating English works?

"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini
The US is power-tripping, people... (2.33 / 6) (#8)
by Canar on Wed Dec 26, 2001 at 01:49:10 AM EST

First, the tariffs on Canadian lumber, as of now presently in the range of 17%. On one of Canada's biggest exports.

Then, the "retaliations" from September 11, that many claim were in the works for quite some time before.

Now, "sanctions" on the Ukraine for CD piracy.

Not to mention the ones we haven't heard about.

The US is power-tripping. They are using their strength as a government to do what's best not for the people of Earth, not even the people of the US, but for the corporations. And I'll be damned if it's not arousing my ire. It's getting overwhelming.

And do the Americans hear about this all? Heh... No.

Bleh. Bush. Shoulda been him, not Kennedy...


Hrm... (3.00 / 2) (#9)
by Canar on Wed Dec 26, 2001 at 02:21:20 AM EST

I think I got a bit too emotional there. Sorry. Too little sleep, too much open political session with relatives, not enough forethought on a permanent forum. -=Canar=-

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Hypocrits (2.57 / 7) (#10)
by Betcour on Wed Dec 26, 2001 at 06:24:12 AM EST

USA claims to champion free trade and open borders, and say that it is for the better of every country. At the same time, as soon as it doesn't go their way, they start these sort of things to protect their markets. Talk about big time hypocrits...

This isn't hypocrasy (3.50 / 2) (#12)
by sonovel on Wed Dec 26, 2001 at 01:41:10 PM EST

How is it hypocritical for responding to a country that is violating international law?

I'm not prepared to say I totally agree with the sanctions. However, the U.S. isn't being hypocritical. It would be hypocrisy if the U.S. was ignoring large scale commercial violation of copyright in the U.S., yet punishing it in another country.

The sanctions may be wrong, but your post doesn't provide evidence that it is.

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Read post #11. The US is hypocritical. (nt) (2.00 / 1) (#13)
by p0ppe on Wed Dec 26, 2001 at 07:23:41 PM EST

Read post #11. The US is hypocritical. (nt)

btw. (nt) means No Text, if you didn't know.

"Democracy is three wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner."
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U.S. does care about piracy in China. (4.00 / 1) (#16)
by sonovel on Thu Dec 27, 2001 at 11:26:54 AM EST

The U.S. does care about IP piracy in China.

We have made an issue of it at every trade talk.

It is in the news periodically, if you have missed it, you don't pay enough attention. The reason people know that China is a huge theif of IP is that the U.S. complains about it and it gets in the news.

The response may be pragmatic, but I still don't know that it is hypocrisy. The U.S. has responded to piracy in both nations. It is just that in one of them, the U.S. acted more strongly. It may be due to the U.S. fearing a "trade war" more with China than with Ukraine.


Besides, the post I was responding to said nothing about that, so I doubt that was his point.

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Wrong Country!!!!! (4.42 / 7) (#11)
by hughk on Wed Dec 26, 2001 at 06:53:52 AM EST

Most piracy comes from China. Unfortunately, the US government (both Rep. and Dem) is so into selling Big-Macs and other consumer goods to China (while the Chinese sell their military technology to some very dubious governments) that they totally ignore the fact that most piracy takes place there. Especially the more dangerous kind where realistic looking packaging and even, certificates of authenticity are produced.

It is also interesting to note that Russia is also quite bad for piracy, but in the middle of the current warm relations, this is totally forgotten.

Ukraine has a screwed up government. The people are seriously poor, what they don't need is the RIAA pirate kings trying to sandbag them with something else.

most piracy comes from US colleges (3.00 / 4) (#14)
by turmeric on Wed Dec 26, 2001 at 09:16:38 PM EST

Now alot of the schools have 'cracked down' on it... but really ugh. nobody pays for software in college. I was in a school with an 'honor code' but dude, people were stealing solaris, autocad, i mean, this is at least 10,000 bucks of software right there. Is the US Government going to impose sanctions on colleges and universities if they dont crack down on piracy? Frankly, I wouldn't give a shit, as this would force those pathetic leeching morons in the schools, and their greedy moronic overlords, the software industry, to either 1. institute REAL AND MEANINGFUL EDUCATIONAL LICENSES or 2. SWITCH TO USING FREE SOFTWARE. Oh yeah, along the way perhaps several dozen nice young folks will "have their lives ruined" as the phrase goes (actually it means instead of being CEO and making 1Mil a year, they will only be able tomake CIO and maybe 800k a year. fucking tragedy, really) Oh, you mean the ones that aren't that rich? OK, well, that is sad. Very very sad.

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agreed, look at the numbers: (4.50 / 2) (#17)
by thezany on Thu Dec 27, 2001 at 07:57:04 PM EST

<cia world factbook snip>

$14.6 billion (2000 est.)

Exports - partners:
Russia 24%, Europe 30%, US 5% (2000 est.)


75$ mil sanctions is about 10% of exports to the US which accounts for 5% of all Ukrainian exports.

A bitch for some Ukrainian exporters of actual goods, much more so than for the American creators of 'intellectual property', who have not actually lost anything.

Either way not much.

But ``Without adequate intellectual property rights legislation, it is difficult to see how Ukraine can address either America's concerns or WTO rules,'' Zoellick said.

This is a country where 50% of the small (22.8 mil) population live below the poverty line, and massive profits look unlikely. $75 mil is peanuts to the US.

So why Ukraine?

[ Parent ]
Terrorist connection? (2.33 / 3) (#15)
by bludstone on Thu Dec 27, 2001 at 10:24:24 AM EST

Im not just spewing forth nonsense here. I distinctly recall reading somewhere about a large bootleg cd industry giving money to terrorist organizations.

I read this a while before 9/11, so its entirely possible that this is just another way of pushing the war against terrorism.

Tho if thats the case, wouldnt they just be shut down entirely? hrm who knows.

To anyone who didn't see the evils of anti-piracy. (4.20 / 5) (#18)
by gnovos on Fri Dec 28, 2001 at 02:06:01 AM EST

The $75M lost to the Ukraine translates to loss of real-world goods for those people. Loss of food, loss of shelter, loss of jobs. On the RIAA side, *any* amount of "piracy", at most results in a loss of entertainment profits. Most of the time it isn;t even loss of real profit, but loss of imaginary profit based on the absurd notion that every Ukrainian is willing to spend a weeks wages to buy Britteny Spears in lieu of food. Even if every record company went out of business tonight, there would be no starving to death in the freezing cold wilderness. A lost job in certian parts of the Ukraine, however, could very easily result in this.

This kind of behavior is Evil. Monty-Burns style evil with a capital 'E'.

A Haiku: "fuck you fuck you fuck/you fuck you fuck you fuck you/fuck you fuck you snow" - JChen

This buisness-model has tradition (none / 0) (#20)
by fhotg on Wed Jan 02, 2002 at 11:29:00 PM EST

You are so right !!
A completely unrelated association concerning this behaviour:

We offer you to enjoy our protection (WTO membership) against evil behaviour (iposing sanctions / trade barriers). You only have to honor our economic needs (those of the influential companys here) and you're all right. If you don't cooperate though, we'll punish you with exactly the means we offered you protection from in the first place.

USA, I'll sue you for IP-violation, cause I have a patent on that buissness-model. --Al Capone--
Gitarren für die Mädchen -- Champagner für die Jungs

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I wonder... (3.25 / 4) (#19)
by chimera on Sat Dec 29, 2001 at 12:40:17 AM EST

and this little bit of news has of course absolutely nothing to do with this
or this
ör this
or has it?

This is muscle flexing (none / 0) (#21)
by strlen on Sun Jan 06, 2002 at 12:59:48 AM EST

This isn't about profit. I come from another former USSR republic. where no one would buy software for $50 or music for $20, considering a software engineer would be lucky to receive $500 a month. Most of pirated software that you buy there, is downloaded off the net and burnt onto CD's, by people/small companies that have high-bandwidth connections and CD burners (the old-style telephone network can't accomodate for DSL, in some places a telephone line would be shared by 2 appartements with two different families, this is from a real case of people I know, by the ay) and sold in legitimiate electronics stores.

Sometimes they may contain up to 20 software titltes, and often times they may simply be shareware versions available from official websites. Yeah, there's people who import those cds into the United States, but this is a very small number, considering only a lucky few can make into the US. Tape's are also greatly common place, as a substitute to music CD's, and quite a lot of people have vinyl decks, huge collections of vinyl, and still buy vinyl.

In other words, there's no significant money to be gained in _THOSE_ countries by cutting down on privacy, in fact it's probably going to cause a loss, since less people will be exposed to American/Multi-national software. In my opinion it's a matter of muscle flexing.

[T]he strongest man in the world is he who stands most alone. - Henrik Ibsen.
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