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Google Dance

By kpaul in Technology
Tue Jan 28, 2003 at 04:07:40 AM EST
Tags: Internet (all tags)
Internet

You may not know it, but as I type, Google is dancing. And I'm not talking about the 'Google Dance' held by Google that includes human beings getting their groove on. I am talking about the period of time days before Google finalizes the update to its indexes.

Never heard of the Google Dance? It's an interesting event that happens (roughly) once a month and causes quite a stir in some web circles with frustrated, ecstatic, and confused people coming together at WebmasterWorld to talk about the Google Dance.


While I haven't been able to yet locate the person who coined the term Google Dance (I'm sure they'll be crawling out of the woodwork now), the phrase causes a sense of nervous anticipation in certain types of people on the 'net. Those affected are usually known as SEOs (search engine optimizers). Also interesting to note is that it's usually those new to the scene as the more seasoned veterans know there's nothing to do but wait, so they work on their sites instead of surfing message boards talking about the update.

Although I consider myself a hardcore Googlephile, I have to admit I'd never heard of the Google Dance until around July of last year. It was then when, fed up with current corporate policies and politics, I began directing my energies to my websites again, something I'd neglected for a year or so. After launching a new site last July, I became serious about it again and began to dig on the 'net for better ways to market and increase traffic.

In the past, I'd been caught in the trap of the 'free-for-all' links, naively thinking that if I added my site to as many of these as I could my traffic would suddenly soar through the roof. As anyone who has any knowledge of free-for-all link services (aka link farms), it did not help at all and even hindered me a little.

Last year, though, I stumbled on the Google News forum at WebmasterWorld and quickly began devouring the vast deposits of SEO information I found there. I'd never heard of a SEO before, but as I lurked and read, I learned a lot.

For instance, as is often the case with 'hackers,' there are good SEOs who play by the rules and also SEOs who are into the 'black arts.' Negative SEO work includes techniques like cloaking, using hidden text, and other spammy methods to try to trick the search engines into ranking them high in the listings. On the other hand, good SEOs are interested in making their pages as bot friendly as they can without using deceptive and devious methods. It's a fine line.

After studying for a while, it finally began to dawn on my how much damage I'd done a year previous by signing up for all of the free-for-all lists. Luckily, though, none of them were showing up in my backlinks anymore, and I didn't seem to have any penalty attached to my domain. Being conscious about Googlebot (what it likes and doesn't like) made me cautious when promoting my website. Somehow I got lucky in attracting the famed Google freshbot and was able to experience a fairly cool everflux - but that's another article.

I digress. Let's get back to the Google Dance. What is it? Simply stated, it's a period of time when all of the Google servers in all the Google datacenters are synching up. You see, with that many servers, they can't really just flip a switch whenever they re-index the web. Instead, the 'new' results are loaded on a single server, which slowly makes its way from one server to another.

Some enterprising people eventually figured out that a www2.google.com and www3.google.com existed. And not only that, but during a certain time of the month, they showed different SERPs (search engine results pages)! Hence all the hoopla about the dance each month. (And no, the Google Update isn't started here).

Google doesn't officially announce the start of its updates, but you can tell when the dance starts if the 'backlinks' (the number of sites pointing to an URL) for yahoo.com are different on www, www2, and www3. To test this yourself, go to Google and type in 'link:yahoo.com' and you should get the total number of results near the top. Next, go to www2.google.com and repeat the process. When the mass update begins, the number of results on the three servers will be different for a while.

During the dance, people are known to get a little goofy, nervous or both. I guess if my whole business depended on search engines sending me traffic, I would concentrate on putting my eggs in other baskets. It's somewhat amusing (in a weird way) to read the WebmasterWorld Google Dance thread and see people freaking out if their site disappears from the index or slips in ranking. Also interesting (especially the last few months) is to see GoogleGuy (a Google employee who posts anonymously at WebmasterWorld but was verfied as legit by the people who run the site) offer advice and hints.

I have to admit, I've found myself once or twice at one Google Dance Tool site or another to see how my pet phrases were doing and if I'd managed to keep my #1 spots for vanity searches.

What starts as a dance ends as a new index for all the Google servers in all the Google datacenters. As last September showed us, though, sometimes another dance starts after the Google Dance, a dance where people express their dislike of Google's efforts toward a more searchable (usable) web. The furor over the September 2002 update was enough that it got a mention on both Wired and "that other site."

Will the natives get restless and start a new dance for a new bot on the block? Only time will tell.

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o putting my eggs in other baskets
o GoogleGuy
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o Wired
o that other site
o new dance for a new bot
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Google Dance | 70 comments (57 topical, 13 editorial, 0 hidden)
Random thought-o-the-day (3.42 / 7) (#11)
by pistols on Mon Jan 27, 2003 at 11:20:58 PM EST

This monthly pattern of apprehension, excitement and edginess seems oddly feminine to me. Does anyone know Google's gender?

google is like a queen bee or ant (5.00 / 1) (#36)
by noogie on Tue Jan 28, 2003 at 12:34:26 PM EST

and we are the millions of drone ants that make love to her.


*** ANONYMIZED BY THE EVIL KUROFIVEHIN MILITARY JUNTA ***
[ Parent ]
OT, but... (2.66 / 3) (#13)
by dissonant on Mon Jan 27, 2003 at 11:50:50 PM EST

...someone should really remix the "Safety Dance" into the "Google Dance".

doo doo dee dee, doo doo doo dee dee, doo doo dee dee doo

goo gle goo gle dance dance dance (5.00 / 31) (#16)
by NFW on Tue Jan 28, 2003 at 01:46:17 AM EST

We can spam if we want to,
we can leave good links behind
Cuz your friends don't pay
and if they don't pay
well they're no friends of mine.

I say,

We can farm where we want links,
to servers they would never find.
And we can spam like we come
from out of this world,
leave our ethics far behind.

And we can spam.

doo doo dee dee doo doo doo deedledee

We can tune if we want too
We can leave your sites behind.
Cuz your sites just suck
if they just suck
well they're no sites to find.

Say...

We can tune if we want to
Your farms will never fly.
We tweak alg'rithms,
from the Google labs
Leave the lame sites far behind

We can tune.
What you see!

You can search like you want to,
The net is fast and so am I.
I can rank real neat
from the spam to the 'leet
and surprise 'em with a big goodbye.

Say...

I can rank if I want to
If I don't nobody will.
They can act real lame
and totally insane
and he can act like an imbecile.

Say...

We can dance, Google dance,
Everything's under control.
We can dance, Google dance,
Doin' it for the poll.
We can dance, Google dance,
Everybody look at your rank
We can dance, Google dance,
Everybody's movin' today, hey-ah-hey

Google dance
Well the Google dance
Yeah the Google dance...

doo doo dee dee doo doo doo deedledee

Gee gee gee gee
Oh oh oh oh oh
Oh oh oh oh oh
Gee gee gee gee
El el el el
Ee Ee Ee Ee
Goo goo goo goo
Dance dance dance

doo doo dee dee doo doo doo deedledee

We can tune if we want to
we've got all your hits and mine.
As long as they abuse it
We're always gonna tune it
Everything'll work out right.

I say...

We can dance if we want to,
We can leave those farms behind
Cuz the links just suck
and if they just suck,
well they're no links of mine.

I say...

We can dance, Google dance,
Everything's under control.
We can dance, Google dance,
Doin' it for the poll.
We can dance, Google dance,
Everybody look at your rank
We can dance, Google dance,
Everybody's movin' today, hey-ah-hey

Well it's Google dance
Ah yes, the Google dance
Well the Google dance
Oh the Google da-ance
Its the Google dance
Its the Google dance
Its the Google dance
Its the Google dance


--
Got birds?


[ Parent ]

Now that was sooo ridiculous (5.00 / 1) (#24)
by the hermit on Tue Jan 28, 2003 at 08:28:31 AM EST

I couldn't stop laughing... I was a big Men Without Hats fan back in the day...

[ Parent ]
Great... (none / 0) (#49)
by kpaul on Tue Jan 28, 2003 at 06:52:30 PM EST

...now everyone's gonna be asking for a 'lyrics' section on K5.

Back in my day...

;)


2014 Halloween Costumes
[ Parent ]

or, more specifically, (none / 0) (#61)
by pb on Thu Jan 30, 2003 at 10:45:50 AM EST

A filks section; sorry, I think I've proposed this in the past as well.
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"See what the drooling, ravening, flesh-eating hordes^W^W^W^WKuro5hin.org readers have to say."
-- pwhysall
[ Parent ]
hanging out on WMW (3.00 / 2) (#15)
by danny on Tue Jan 28, 2003 at 01:30:21 AM EST

WebmasterWorld is a decent place to hang out - lots of newbies and cluelessness, it's true, but also some really cluey people posting and the occasional gem. I've posted over 250 messages myself :-)

I seem to have lost my PageRank 8 in the latest Google update... but my two sites seem to randomly oscillate between 7 and 8.

Danny.
[900 book reviews and other stuff]

It's a dirty job, somebody's gotta do it (2.77 / 9) (#17)
by carbon on Tue Jan 28, 2003 at 01:51:31 AM EST

It's an interesting event that happens (roughly) once a month...

In other words, Google is PMSing? It's "that time of the month again"?

I'm sorry. It had to be said by somebody. Better me than someone who would've continued several paragraphs more.


Wasn't Dr. Claus the bad guy on Inspector Gadget? - dirvish
"autopr0n" (4.50 / 4) (#18)
by autopr0n on Tue Jan 28, 2003 at 02:01:06 AM EST

For a long time, autopr0n.com was the first search result when searching for the name of the site "autopr0n" Now it's like on the 3rd page, after my k5 user page, and tons of sites that talk about my page once and link to it. It's fucking weird and annoying. (and yes, I got a lot if hits from people searching for "autopr0n" on google. Don't ask me why)

Google blows, it's all about alltheweb


[autopr0n] got pr0n?
autopr0n.com is a categorically searchable database of porn links, updated every day (or so). no popups!
You do know how Google works, don't you? (3.66 / 3) (#22)
by synaesthesia on Tue Jan 28, 2003 at 05:27:54 AM EST

kuro5hin.org is plenty linked-to (therefore having a fairly high PageRank). Every time you comment on a story, it creates about three or four degrees of separation between the front page and your user page.

PageRank is exactly why Google does not blow, BTW.


Sausages or cheese?
[ Parent ]

Original Poster had a valid point (5.00 / 1) (#32)
by Thomas M Hughes on Tue Jan 28, 2003 at 11:26:44 AM EST

If Google is giving priority to discussion about a topic prior to the topic itself (that is, comments about autopr0n, but not to autopr0n itself) something is not quite right with Google's search results.  A perfect search engine should probably provide a link to the actual subject matter (in this case autopr0n itself) prior to passing mentions of it (in sig's on Kuro5hin, and the like).

Presumably, if you're searching for autopr0n, the first thing you'll want to find is autopr0n.  If it takes 3 pages to find it, then Google is not 'working' the way it should be.

[ Parent ]

Maybe (5.00 / 1) (#35)
by kpaul on Tue Jan 28, 2003 at 12:14:33 PM EST

The sites pointing to his site or that mention his site have a higher PR and more links to them, meaning, in essence, that they should come up first.

I see what you're saying, though, in that maybe if the domain is an exact match of what is being searched for it should show up on top of the SERPs. There are some problems I could see with that, though. Just because you own widgets.com doesn't mean you necessarily have the 'best' site re: widgets.


2014 Halloween Costumes
[ Parent ]

Autopr0n? He's just zis guy, ya know? (5.00 / 8) (#41)
by Sloppy on Tue Jan 28, 2003 at 02:11:05 PM EST

Presumably, if you're searching for autopr0n, the first thing you'll want to find is autopr0n.
Yes, but what is autopr0n? Is it the porn website, or is it the person who runs/promotes it?

And when I visit the autopr0n.com web site, I don't see anything about autopr0n there. I just see porn. I don't see discussion about or information relating to the topic of autopr0n. I see information about "poser" and "european" and "spreadpussy." Autopr0n.com seems to be quite an authority on those subjects. Maybe if I search Google for "spreadpussy", then I should get referred to autopr0n.com.

But here we are in a K5 thread, talking about a comment made by someone named autopr0n, on the subject of Google searching for autopr0n. I can't help but think that a Google search on that string, maybe should point to people talking about autopr0n, rather than point to just one web site that happens to have that string in its URL. kuro5hin.org is an authority on the subject of autopr0n, in the same way that autopr0n.com is an authority on the subject of spreadpussy.

New slogan for K5: "When I want spreadpussy, I go to Autopr0n. When I want Autopr0n, I go to Kuro5hin."
"RSA, 2048, seeks sexy young entropic lover, for several clock cycles of prime passion..."
[ Parent ]

But I've gotta know... (none / 0) (#64)
by opendna on Fri Jan 31, 2003 at 12:41:04 AM EST

WTF is a "Sloppy Albuquerque"?!?



[ Parent ]

No (5.00 / 3) (#56)
by synaesthesia on Wed Jan 29, 2003 at 05:01:02 AM EST

If Google is giving priority to discussion about a topic prior to the topic itself (that is, comments about autopr0n, but not to autopr0n itself) something is not quite right with Google's search results.

Just like if I search for Scientology, I want the first hundred hits to be for websites owned by the CoS, right? Wrong.

Sausages or cheese?
[ Parent ]

K5 (5.00 / 8) (#37)
by rusty on Tue Jan 28, 2003 at 01:03:01 PM EST

K5 has absurdly high googlejuice, actually. I am always surprised at the K5 stories that come up when I'm searching for some random thing.

The best search engine event ever happened to me just recently, when I was searching for some help with an Apache::Session issue. I searched for a likely phrase, and right away found a mailing list posting that looked promising. I read the message, and only then did I glance at the header lines and find out who the author was.

It was, of course, me.

____
Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]

I knew a guy (3.50 / 2) (#47)
by kpaul on Tue Jan 28, 2003 at 06:47:25 PM EST

in college who would call his answering machine drunk and leave himself messages for the next morning/afternoon...

Classic internet zen moment, though, to find just what you're looking for only to realize you are the one who originally wrote it.


2014 Halloween Costumes
[ Parent ]

Yeah (5.00 / 1) (#48)
by rusty on Tue Jan 28, 2003 at 06:52:30 PM EST

Ironically, or perhaps fittingly, my advice didn't really help. I wonder if it helped the first guy? Now that I've been in the same situation, I'm guessing it didn't. People should really not listen to me as much as they do. :-)

____
Not the real rusty
[ Parent ]
Pretty common for me. (none / 0) (#66)
by rodgerd on Sat Feb 01, 2003 at 06:12:25 PM EST

No, not the searching the Internet. But more than once I've been a,bling through the source to something on a client's site and gone, "Wow, that sure is some sweet code. I gotta remember that trick. Wonder who wrote it?" My only concern is that this is evidence I'm getting dumber as I get older.

[ Parent ]
Heh (none / 0) (#68)
by synaesthesia on Sun Feb 02, 2003 at 06:00:44 PM EST

I find myself listening to compilation CDs I've made of my favourite tunes, thinking, "Wow! Every tune on this CD is really good!"

Sausages or cheese?
[ Parent ]
That is as it should be. (5.00 / 1) (#65)
by NFW on Fri Jan 31, 2003 at 03:09:55 AM EST

If someone wants to go to your site, they'd type it into the address bar and go there. If someone wants to know what people on the web think about your site, they'd go to google and search on your site name. In the latter case, what google provides (commentary first, the site itself later) is probably what they want.

Commendable, actually.


--
Got birds?


[ Parent ]

Great article (5.00 / 2) (#20)
by NeoSeo on Tue Jan 28, 2003 at 02:46:10 AM EST

There are so few that really understand the update and what the fuss is all about that it's nice to see it given justice.

>woodwork.

Best I can figure, it was started at the 'plex as a marketing tool. Same with the www2/3 - they were leaked. They use the time between the start and the finish of the update to double check the index quality with the public. Who whould know better than the webmasters who have the most to gain and lose.

>login

Webmasterworld gets used and abused by bots (hey, they are all search engine guys and a few hundred thousand hits a day just for bots is a bit excessive don't cha think). They finally required login from some of the most egregious isps (eg: ya, those fun loving spider happy guys on cable).


login (2.33 / 3) (#21)
by Djinh on Tue Jan 28, 2003 at 04:47:56 AM EST

Why do this article's links only point to a site which requires a login?

--
We are the Euro. Resistance is futile. All your dollars will be assimilated.
No login required (none / 0) (#23)
by codemonkey_uk on Tue Jan 28, 2003 at 07:13:40 AM EST

I read several of the linked pages, and did not need to log on to do so.
---
Thad
"The most savage controversies are those about matters as to which there is no good evidence either way." - Bertrand Russell
[ Parent ]
Login (3.00 / 1) (#25)
by Djinh on Tue Jan 28, 2003 at 09:10:11 AM EST

All the http://www.webmasterworld.com/ URLs require me to log in...

--
We are the Euro. Resistance is futile. All your dollars will be assimilated.
[ Parent ]
I know. You said that already. (none / 0) (#26)
by codemonkey_uk on Tue Jan 28, 2003 at 09:20:09 AM EST

What I am telling you is that I, and presumably the rest of the readership of k5, do not have to "log in" to access URLs in that domain. That's not to hard to understand is it? Perhaps you are using an exotic browser, or have disabled a normally available browser feature that the site requires.

Anyway, my point is, the "problem" is at your end, and there is no problem with the article using these URLS as they stand.
---
Thad
"The most savage controversies are those about matters as to which there is no good evidence either way." - Bertrand Russell
[ Parent ]

Ehh? (2.00 / 1) (#28)
by Djinh on Tue Jan 28, 2003 at 09:25:14 AM EST

Instead of being a dork you could also try to actually engage your brain, like this person did.

--
We are the Euro. Resistance is futile. All your dollars will be assimilated.
[ Parent ]
Hohum (3.50 / 2) (#30)
by Djinh on Tue Jan 28, 2003 at 09:29:04 AM EST

I guess I'm the one who needs to engage his brain here...

Mea culpa...

--
We are the Euro. Resistance is futile. All your dollars will be assimilated.
[ Parent ]

An explanation (none / 0) (#27)
by codemonkey_uk on Tue Jan 28, 2003 at 09:23:15 AM EST

Aha, all is explained in this comment. You share an IPS with unfriendly webcrawler bots, and Webmasterworld does not like it.
---
Thad
"The most savage controversies are those about matters as to which there is no good evidence either way." - Bertrand Russell
[ Parent ]
Uncareful of them (4.00 / 1) (#29)
by Djinh on Tue Jan 28, 2003 at 09:26:39 AM EST

That's a bit uncareful of them, as my IP is in a major ISP's ADSL space, which is presumably where many 'normal' browsers come from as well...

--
We are the Euro. Resistance is futile. All your dollars will be assimilated.
[ Parent ]
Highly Unlikely (3.00 / 1) (#31)
by xL on Tue Jan 28, 2003 at 10:57:10 AM EST

I have my own /28 in my company's netblock and my own domain. I was there when we got the /19 it is in from RIPE. I can attest, being lead tech there, that we have never run any crawling bots or anything else, nor have we seen reports on our abuse addresses from that site considering unwanted activity from any place under our control. Still the site implies I cannot get in due to abuse. Unless if my toaster oven managed to hijack itself some 802.11b and started running wget -r to find pr0n on their site, I cannot see where they got that silly idea. And even then, it would've helped if they would have mailed us about it, so that I could have returned it under warranty.

[ Parent ]
A word on taster ovens (5.00 / 1) (#52)
by jman11 on Tue Jan 28, 2003 at 08:52:02 PM EST

Toasters are notorious for their love of porn.  Their favourite sites often feature late model toaster captured on film during that moment as the toast leaps from them in excitement at the end of a good seeing to.  There are also pictures of toasters positioned at unusual angles in order to allow them to "swap" toast between them.

They are also crafty, you will find that you toaster's warranty forms have in fact been slightly burnt.  This is to rely on your embarassment at sending in a warranty form which appears that it could have been the cause of the warranty claim.  If it does not embarass you then the self-refferential nature will disarm you enough that it may finish the job as it rests on your kitchen counter.

[ Parent ]

Also re: toasters & tasters - (none / 0) (#54)
by kpaul on Tue Jan 28, 2003 at 09:18:25 PM EST

Strawberry Pop-Tart Blow-Torches


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[ Parent ]

A better explanation (none / 0) (#50)
by salsaman on Tue Jan 28, 2003 at 08:02:29 PM EST

bet you got a cookie that means *you* don't have to log in.

[ Parent ]
go figure (none / 0) (#53)
by damaskr0se on Tue Jan 28, 2003 at 09:05:03 PM EST

Rutgers U is blocked. Comcast isn't.

[ Parent ]
Image, image, image (3.00 / 2) (#33)
by srichman on Tue Jan 28, 2003 at 11:27:38 AM EST

There seems to be an abnormally large number of attractive and semi-attractive women in the Google Dance 2002 photos, particularly for a tech company. Certainly can't hurt recruiting ("Ok, Nancy, now be sure to take a lot of pix of the hotties for the website."). Or have I just spent too much time in Boston, the Land of Markedly Unattractive People, and forgotten what life is like in California?

What is it about Boston ? (2.00 / 1) (#34)
by Simon Kinahan on Tue Jan 28, 2003 at 11:46:55 AM EST

Even people from Ayrshire are more attractive than Bostonians.

Simon

If you disagree, post, don't moderate
[ Parent ]
Re: What is it about Boston ? [OT] (none / 0) (#42)
by protactin on Tue Jan 28, 2003 at 02:37:54 PM EST

Even people from Ayrshire are more attractive than Bostonians.
And what's that supposed to mean?!



Hmmm well I suppose.. I can't speak for Boston, but yeah Ayrshire is an ugly region. :)

[ Parent ]
I doubt it. (4.00 / 4) (#38)
by /dev/trash on Tue Jan 28, 2003 at 01:31:45 PM EST

a Google employee who posts anonymously at WebmasterWorld but was verfied as legit by the people who run the site)

A website will say anything to keep the traffic up.  Inventing a poster named GoogleGuy seems way to easy to me.

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Updated 02/20/2004
New Site

It's probably true (none / 0) (#44)
by hovik on Tue Jan 28, 2003 at 04:12:54 PM EST

I know that at least one of the other <company>Guy there is real.

Btw, some of the WebmasterWorld people meet at different SE gatherings, so confirming ones identity is not difficult.

[ Parent ]

My article on search engine optimization (3.83 / 6) (#39)
by MichaelCrawford on Tue Jan 28, 2003 at 01:45:01 PM EST

My consulting business website has very good rankings at Google for terms related to my business.

I didn't use any spammy tricks to achieve this. I didn't pay an SEO service. Anyone can do it, but it takes patience and hard work. I share all my secrets in How to Promote Your Business on the Internet.

You will find that the article started out as a K5 comment that I posted.


--

Live your fucking life. Sue someone on the Internet. Write a fucking music player. Like the great man Michael David Crawford has shown us all: Hard work, a strong will to stalk, and a few fries short of a happy meal goes a long way. -- bride of spidy


Is it just me... (4.00 / 1) (#43)
by MyrddinE on Tue Jan 28, 2003 at 03:17:39 PM EST

... or has anyone else gotten spam written by this guy before?

"I can show you how to make $20K or even more, in easy step by step instructions that you can find in my book. I share all my secrets, blah blah blah"

Seriously, this post sounds like a spam. My bayesian filter would probably nuke it. :-)

[ Parent ]

I'm not trying to sell anything, honest (none / 0) (#45)
by MichaelCrawford on Tue Jan 28, 2003 at 05:46:23 PM EST

If you read my article, you will realize that I'm trying to put the SEO spammers out of business while making the web a better place at the same time.

The information in the article is all free, I don't keep any secrets back from what I've done.

I'm just vague about what I have to say there because I'd like you to go read the article.


--

Live your fucking life. Sue someone on the Internet. Write a fucking music player. Like the great man Michael David Crawford has shown us all: Hard work, a strong will to stalk, and a few fries short of a happy meal goes a long way. -- bride of spidy


[ Parent ]

It's just you (none / 0) (#57)
by glor on Wed Jan 29, 2003 at 05:59:30 AM EST

It is non-automated and relevant to the discussion. Sure it's shameless self-promotion, but I don't think it's spam.

--
Disclaimer: I am not the most intelligent kuron.
[ Parent ]

Bayesian Filters (none / 0) (#58)
by iso on Wed Jan 29, 2003 at 11:11:43 AM EST

Hah. Obviously this is not spam, and the guy didn't mean it that way, but you comment did make me curious to see what my bayesian filter (annoyance-filter) had to say about it. Sure enough, it's "spam" :)

ProbP = 5.423e-08, ProbQ = 1.9041e-11
Junk probability 0.999649

I think I should try that on kuro5hin messages more often! :)

- j



[ Parent ]
Actually, some very good essays (none / 0) (#59)
by sphealey on Wed Jan 29, 2003 at 01:41:54 PM EST

The link in the parent post is about as far from spam as you can get. In fact it is one of the more insightful essays about how to use the Internet I have seen since the mid-90s.

sPh

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Well, that explains where the traffic went (none / 0) (#40)
by Wah on Tue Jan 28, 2003 at 02:10:42 PM EST

I had some serious k5 (google loves us) mojo working on the 'miller lite commercial' last week.  My story got indexed about 20 hours after I posted it.  We had nearly 10,000 pageviews for that one posting.  I even took a picture (and noted how accurate google adwords are), and now it's all gone.  BTW, the blond and brunette do eventually get it on, for all you horndogs in the crowd.

At least now I know why my rank drops so dramatically in such a short period of time.  The same thing happened after American Idol finished up. For a couple days this page was no.1 for 'who won american idol'.  Ah, well, have to find better ways to, umm, do curious things with media and attention.
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You reminded me... (none / 0) (#46)
by kpaul on Tue Jan 28, 2003 at 06:36:58 PM EST

of this guy who bought the domain for 'cantdodiddley.com' (think that was the spelling) after seeing it on a Progressive insurance TV commercial. Whoever does the marketing for Progressive wasn't on the ball.

Personally, I would have bought up the domain and used it to further hype the Progressive name.

The guy (can't remember where I read it now) said he just wanted to see how many people thought like him and would look the page up after seeing the commercial. It turned out to be a lot of people - for a while.

Last I checked (several, several months back), the domain was 'for sale' w/no content...


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That's not a bad idea ... (none / 0) (#51)
by Wah on Tue Jan 28, 2003 at 08:50:37 PM EST

... from a marketing perspective. It's really just a numbers game (unless you want targeted people), but if you can spend $x on a new domain and re-director and get y traffic, it can be worthwhile, if the CPM is low enough. I'm not sure how it would compete with regular ads (on a CPM basis), and it would be more hit or miss with various phrases, but it would probably pay off for some cases. I know I've typed in a lot of names that have totally unrelated content, thinking I might be able to guess the URL. That happens too with the mispelled re-directors, .com, .net, .org oversights, and other silliness. I'd be curious to see some numbers.
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like I said... (none / 0) (#62)
by Wah on Thu Jan 30, 2003 at 07:10:03 PM EST

you folks love tits and beer. (not to say I don't)

from my referrer logs.

346 from http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2003/1/27/221829/873

..in two days...

:-)
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Is it just me... (4.00 / 4) (#55)
by skim123 on Wed Jan 29, 2003 at 01:46:00 AM EST

It's one thing to make an ass out of yourself trying to dance at a computer science function, it's another to have a picture on the Internet where you are caught drunkenly staring at a coworker's rack.

Money is in some respects like fire; it is a very excellent servant but a terrible master.
PT Barnum


staring at a rack (5.00 / 3) (#60)
by bolthole on Wed Jan 29, 2003 at 09:39:41 PM EST

Dang... I clicked on the link expecting to see a sweet set of 1U servers or something. I was sure disappointed.

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Woah (none / 0) (#63)
by metalfan on Thu Jan 30, 2003 at 11:40:38 PM EST

That guy on the left in the white Google shirt is just plain creepy.

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Google analysis (3.50 / 2) (#67)
by mackstann on Sun Feb 02, 2003 at 06:12:27 AM EST

Ok, for my website, I insert a database entry for every hit, noting referring url, ip, browser, time, etc. This is for fun statistics analysis. My site is down right now, due to my Debian->NetBSD upgrade, but you can see the google cache of my google tracking page. As explained on the page, it parses the referring url of every hit with a referrer of google, and then extracts some interesting information, including the exact text the searcher typed into google.

In a (not so?) ironic twist of fate, the page itself (with all of those catchy buzzwords in one page) started getting lots of search hits from google, so I had to add it to robots.txt :)

In soviet russia... (none / 0) (#69)
by GRiNGO on Mon Feb 03, 2003 at 08:19:56 AM EST

...search engines read you!

Check the link before you give me a 1! The link on the main page of BBC News (on the right hand side) said: "How Searches Read You". I found this amusing...

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something is definitely wrong with the internet (none / 0) (#70)
by ibbie on Thu Feb 06, 2003 at 03:44:13 PM EST

when your search engine is doing the cabbage patch on a monthly basis.

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