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Free software developers receive cease-and-desist letters

By blackpaw in Technology
Thu Jun 09, 2005 at 09:24:31 AM EST
Tags: Freedom (all tags)
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FreeNSK interviewed open source developers Alexander No and Zeb who created some free software utilities for Plextor DVD recorders. No wrote PxScan and PxView for Windows, while Zeb ported them to GNU/Linux under the name PxLinux. The utilities send special commands to the drives, activating their special features, such as media quality checks. Unfortunately, someone wasn't happy with their efforts, as the parent company of Plextor sent them cease-and-desist letters accusing them of using "unfair commercial practices"...


Yesterday FreeNSK found this forum where Free software developers Alexander No and Zeb first publicised that they received cease-and-desist letters from a law firm in Brussels representing Shinano Kenshi, the Japanese company which controls the Plextor brand and develops Plextools (R) for Windows.

FreeNSK wrote an article about this issue and located the developers, asking them for an interview. They happily agreed, and FreeNSK interviewed Alexander No through IRC chat and Zeb through email. They agreed to license their interviews under a "verbatim copying" licence, which means you can copy and re-publish them. Please help to publicise this story!

PxScan/PxView and PxLinux are free/Free open-source (FLOSS) software utilities which allow owners of Plextor PX-712 and PX-716 DVD recorders to use the extra features of these drives.

The extra features of Plextor drives, often called Q-Check functions, are actually SCSI command sequences, implemented over the more common ATA protocol, which allow the drive to perform advanced error detection and correction, including media quality check. Plextor customers who wish to use these extra features need to install special software, but Plextor provides it only for the Microsoft Windows operating system. PxLinux allows GNU/Linux users to perform C1, C2, PIE, PIF, Jitter, Beta, and TA testing on Plextor drives that support these functions. According to a PxLinux developer, the interface of Plextor drives is standard MMC-3 (MultiMedia Command) SCSI compliant. The MMC3 interface is publicly available. (Source: cdfreaks.com forum).

According to this source, the PxScan/PxView/PxLinux developers Alexander No and Zeb, are accused by Shinano Kenshi's lawyers for:

  • Using "unfair commercial practices" because they allegedly compared and announced that their software is an alternative for Plextools.
  • Harming the company's "good name and fame" because of the alleged comparisons between PxScan and PlexTools.
  • Infringing various intellectual rights of the company, including "The right of reproduction, translation, adaptation, arrangement and any other alteration of a computer program and the reproduction of the results thereof as well as the right to control all and any form of distribution and dissemination. Infringement of the author rights (and where applicable, copyright) in relation with protected interfaces. The trademark of the company".

PxLinux was hosted at SourceForge.net for awhile, before being deleted from there after the site received a legal complaint.

It should be noted that recently Mr. Dirk Peters, Plextor's director of Marketing, said that "Plextor is strongly committed to supporting the Open Source Software movement" (source: Slashdot.org). Given the new developments, it is difficult to explain the actual attitude of Plextor / Shinano Kenshi towards Free software.

The interview with Alexander No:

Alexander No is a student at Chemnitz, Germany and he created the PxScan and PxView utilities for Windows (released under the GPL). He received the letter in an email, not in actual paper. As you will see in the interview, a professional lawyer said that in his opinion none of the accusations are justified.

NSK: Hello, please introduce yourself and briefly describe the utilities you developed.

Alexander No: I'm Alexander No:, currently studying computer science at TU-Chemnitz. The utilities PxScan/PxView i've developed perform error scans on Plextor PX-712/716 and Plextor Premium drives. The tests are the same, but PlexTools had some handling I didn't like, for example you can run several tests on DVDs, but in PlexTools you couldn't trigger them at once, but rather had to trigger one test at one time. My goal was just to make all that more convenient.

NSK: You received a letter via email about these utilities. Who sent the letter and what did it say?

Alexander No: The letter was sent by lawyers working for Shinano Kenshi. The Lawyers claim those utilities would violate their clients rights.

NSK: Have you replied to this letter?

Alexander No: No, I haven't.

NSK: Why do you think the lawyers sent this letter, and what are their requests?

Alexander No: Plextor maybe sees me as competitor. However, they don't offer any Linux version, neither free nor for money, so I have absolutely no idea what their problem with pxlinux could possibly be. They demand that I cease-and-desist from any further infringements, and demand that I compile a list of all steps I've taken to ensure that their clients' rights will no longer be infringed.

NSK: Have you contacted a professional lawyer yet? Did you receive any legal advice?

Alexander No: A professional lawyer said that in his opinion, none of the accusations made by Shinano are justified.

NSK: Is the letter confidential, can you post it for everyone to see?

Alexander No: The letter itself is not explicitely marked as such, but I'm not sure if I have the right to publish an email sent to me in general without the sender agreeing on this.

NSK: In the last years there are increasingly more legal problems for free/Free/open-source software projects. Now software patents may be introduced in Europe. What are your views on this issue?

Alexander No: I *really* hope that software patents will not be introduced, but I can't do much about it... as I don't really understand lawyer and politician language, like most people, I can hardly assess the consequences software patents would cause, but it wouldn't make life of free developers easier.

NSK: What do you plan to do now?

Alexander No: I'm waiting what will happen....

NSK: Anything more you want to say?

Alexander No: Considering that Plextor did, not long ago, announce that they would be supporting open-source, I really wonder what all this is supposed to be about. Either they support open-source, or at least "tolerate" it, or they don't.

NSK: The interview appears to be finished. Thank you very much!

The interview with Zeb

Zeb has developed PxLinux, a port of PxScan/PxView to the GNU/Linux operating system (PxScan and PxView were developed by Alexander No and run on Windows). Zeb lives in the United Kingdom and, just like No, he received the letter in an email, not in actual paper.

NSK: Hello, please introduce yourself and briefly describe the software you developed.

Zeb: Hi, I'm Zeb, I am living in UK and programming is one of my hobbies during my spare time. I am particularly interested in Free software development. Overall, the Free software movement gave a breath of fresh air in the computing area, at the amateur and professional levels. I bought a PX-716A DVD writer a couple of months ago. Not only Plextor had a very good reputation (that I checked by myself, I had several Plextor CD writers in the past), but I was also interested in the special feature of the drive, called Q-check, allowing to do media quality scans before and after burning. However, the software suite (PlexTools(r)) bundled with the drive was only compatible with Windows. As I am a Linux user, I wanted to develop a software to be able to perform these Q-checks, and possibly share this with other Linux users. After all, Linux users who bought a Plextor DVD burner buyers payed exactly the same price than Windows users, and would like to enjoy their burner as much as Windows users do. Moreover, these features are an incentive to chose Plextor over their competitors. After I discovered Alexander's work on the Internet, I contacted him. Straight away he shared his code with me. What interested me were the SCSI commands to trigger the various QChecks. The interface of the burner is entirely standard, and the specifications are published (MMC-3 SCSI compliant). It took me a couple of hours to do a first, quick and dirty, version of PxScan for Linux (also called PxLinux). I did not even have to write the C++ functions to access the drive, since the drive has a standard interface. These functions were of course available as part of any Free burning software. Moreover, the response of the drive is plain and clear, and need just to be displayed as histograms (for this I used Gnuplot). Finally, in order to make the code legally distributable, Alexander offered the code under the GPL license. Thus I deposited the code on Sourceforge (where the project has been temporarily removed).

NSK: You received a letter via email about these utilities. Who sent the letter and what did it say?

Zeb: I received an email with an attached PDF document. The letter was sent by a european lawyer company hired by Shinano Kenshi, Plextor's parent company. In this letter they claimed Alexander and me were violating their copyrights, their rights in relation with "protected interfaces", and that we "committed unfair commercial practices". They also sent letters to various websites, saying we were using their forums to promote our "illegal" software...

NSK: Have you contacted a professional lawyer yet? Did you receive any legal advice?

Zeb: Yes. We have the same legal advice. [Ed: See also the interview with Alexander No].

NSK: Have you replied to this letter?

Zeb: No. Not yet, we seek legal advice before doing official statements.

NSK: Why do you think the lawyers sent this letter, and what are their requests?

Zeb: They have asked to drop PxScan and PxLinux, to remove them and stop talking about them. Their motivations are not known yet, since we had no contact with Plextor anyhow. Of course, since Plextor is now trying to sell a version of their PlexTools software, some people suggest they could see PxScan as a competitor. However, Plextor does not make any Linux version of PlexTools. I don't ask them to support Linux, this is their choice (bad in my opinion), but at least to respect the freedom of their consumers to use their hardware as they intend. Plextools, PxScan and PxLinux can perfectly and legally coexist. Lots of proprietary and Free software do exactly the same task, take Photoshop, Paint Shop Pro, or Gimp. Also, that would be good to have a conversation with people at Plextor, so that they could clarify the position of the company about Free software and third-party work. I was not expecting such a reaction from a company that declared recently about their new video capture device, ConvertX : "Plextor is strongly committed to supporting the Open Source Software movement with free development tools that help speed the creation of next-generation Linux-based video software," said Dirk Peters, director of marketing, Plextor. "The release of this SDK was a direct response to requests from the user community for an easier way to work with Plextor ConvertX video capture devices on computers running Linux." So is their support to Free software community just a PR exercise ?

NSK: Is the letter confidential, can you post it for everyone to see?

Zeb: Same answer with Alexander's. [Ed: See also the interview with Alexander No].

NSK: In the last years there are increasingly more legal problems for free/Free/open-source software projects. Now software patents may be introduced in Europe. What are your views on this issue?

Zeb: Software is the expression of ideas, and ideas should not be patentable. Patents are today a big threat for the innovation. During the 19th century, patents were used to protect small inventors against the industry giants. Now the situation has been reversed: big companies can easily threaten small businesses and inventors with bogus patents that have been accepted without any serious review of their validity or their originality. On the other hand, the "copyright" legal frame - the other form of intellectual protection - is suitable for software. Contrary to patents, copyright protects not the ideas, but their expression: the source code. You can protect your own work, you can also relax the terms of that protection (which is the case with Free licenses), but cannot prevent others to make a similar work, even based on similar ideas. What if one author had been able to patent the "cartoon" genre, would Disney and Tex Avery not been able to create their own cartoons ? Do you want a world with Photoshop as the only image manipulation software, or Word, as the only text-processing software ? Last but not least, 20 year-long patents are simply ludicrous at the computing level. In 20 years, we went from the Sinclair ZX81 to 4GHz dual core processors. I really hope that the European Parliament will be able to stand against the patents, especially at a moment when US companies, including Microsoft, urge to review the conditions for software to be patented. Michel Rocard, the rapporteur of the European Parliament on the software patent directive has made good propositions to prevent that pure software ideas may be patented. I hope he will be listen to by the Commission. Note that our legal problem with Plextor does not concern patents anyway. The communication interface with Plextor burners is standard, and standards cannot be protected.

NSK: What do you plan to do now?

Zeb: Wait and see...

NSK: Anything more you want to say?

Zeb: I wish that Plextor's people could contact us and have some discussion, instead of treating their (ex-) good customers with legal threats. Therefore they have to clarify their position and say if really they support the Open Source Software movement.


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Free software developers receive cease-and-desist letters | 55 comments (34 topical, 21 editorial, 0 hidden)
Licensing (3.00 / 22) (#1)
by blackpaw on Tue Jun 07, 2005 at 09:20:23 PM EST

This story is a released under the CC-by-SA-2 licence as a derivate of the original, minus the pretentious "Libre" crap and the few sad paragraphs at the end where FreeNSK assumes we give a shit re his life & philosophy.

Additionally it was edited with closed source software (Microsoft Word) - Oh the humanity !

Excellent (3.00 / 14) (#2)
by C Montgomery Burns on Tue Jun 07, 2005 at 09:35:18 PM EST


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ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD
Intelligent design
[ Parent ]
+1 FP on philosophical grounds. (2.50 / 12) (#3)
by The Hilarious Genocide of the Obese on Tue Jun 07, 2005 at 09:55:40 PM EST



[ Parent ]
Original link (2.80 / 5) (#4)
by blackpaw on Tue Jun 07, 2005 at 09:58:59 PM EST

I'm not sure as to how to link to the original as it may well not exist for much longer ...

[ Parent ]
Licence (1.23 / 17) (#7)
by FreeNSK on Tue Jun 07, 2005 at 10:12:21 PM EST

Not the whole text is CC-By-SA2. The interviews are "verbatim copying" and the licence text must be included, unless you get another licence from Noe and Zeb. This is the licence of the interviews:

The text of this article is Copyright (C) 2005 by Alexander No, Zeb, and NSK. Verbatim copying and redistribution of the entire text of this article are permitted provided this notice is preserved and a reference to its original locations is provided: http://portal.wikinerds.org/interview-alex-noe-2005jun and http://portal.wikinerds.org/interview-zeb-2005jun

This means the interviews are not under the CC licence! only my text is CC.

See also this comment


=== NSK ===


[ Parent ]
Commercially viable +1 (3.00 / 11) (#9)
by ferrous on Tue Jun 07, 2005 at 10:33:27 PM EST

I liked this article so much that I printed out a copy and sold it to someone.

[ Parent ]
You capitalist swine ! (nt) (3.00 / 3) (#10)
by blackpaw on Tue Jun 07, 2005 at 10:39:10 PM EST



[ Parent ]
Libre sells more than Free (1.11 / 9) (#21)
by FreeNSK on Tue Jun 07, 2005 at 11:24:05 PM EST

You can make more money with Libre!

=== NSK ===


[ Parent ]
Using closed source software considered harmful (1.00 / 14) (#22)
by FreeNSK on Tue Jun 07, 2005 at 11:26:29 PM EST

...only trolls use it.

=== NSK ===


[ Parent ]
Are you serious ? (3.00 / 6) (#41)
by blackpaw on Wed Jun 08, 2005 at 08:44:42 AM EST

Is that humour ?

[ Parent ]
Yet you program in Java? (3.00 / 2) (#52)
by CanSpice on Thu Jun 09, 2005 at 06:45:14 PM EST



[ Parent ]
why be such an asshole? (1.71 / 7) (#24)
by forgotten on Wed Jun 08, 2005 at 12:04:54 AM EST

I mean seriously. this is just a fucking website.

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[ Parent ]

Today ... (3.00 / 6) (#25)
by blackpaw on Wed Jun 08, 2005 at 12:22:45 AM EST

  • Not enough sleep
  • First bus broke down
  • Second bus was late
So I feel like being an asshole, plus all that Libre stuff was really pissing me off - its so pretentious.

Its just a website - so why do you care ?

[ Parent ]

fair enough (3.00 / 3) (#29)
by forgotten on Wed Jun 08, 2005 at 01:16:37 AM EST

anyway i misread some of what you wrote. at first I thought you were being outright malicious. i dislike persecution, but ridiculing is usually fair game.

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[ Parent ]

About me, the original poster of this story (1.00 / 30) (#19)
by FreeNSK on Tue Jun 07, 2005 at 11:19:58 PM EST

About the interviewer: NSK is a 23-years old nerd with unusual interests, a computer science student, and open source programmer (PHP, Java) from Europe who maintains the website Wikinerds.org, a federation of wikis focusing on libre software, science, nerd culture and freedom. He is a vegetarian, a GNU/Linux and KDE (and occasionally GNOME) user as well as a Hurd and BSD admirer, a bilingual (English and Greek), cellular Internet blogger and prolific FreeCiv player.


=== NSK ===


The right licensing, only my text is CC-by-sa2 (1.11 / 17) (#20)
by FreeNSK on Tue Jun 07, 2005 at 11:21:22 PM EST

The text of this article is Copyright (C) 2005 by Alexander Noe, Zeb, and NSK. Verbatim copying and redistribution of the entire text of this article are permitted provided this notice is preserved and a reference to its original locations is provided: http://portal.wikinerds.org/interview-alex-noe-2005jun and http://portal.wikinerds.org/interview-zeb-2005jun

Comments on licensing: Alexander Noe holds the copyright of his answers to the interview, Zeb holds the copyright to his own answers to the other interview, and NSK is the author and copyright holder of the questions and the rest of the text. NSK's text, not including the interview questions and the "About the interviewer" paragraph, are also released under the CC-by-SA-2 licence, which allows modification.


=== NSK ===


Its a deriative work (3.00 / 7) (#23)
by blackpaw on Tue Jun 07, 2005 at 11:51:30 PM EST

As allowed by the CC-by-SA-2 license. I corrected a common spelling mistake (Libre for Free). The personal info is not part of the article.

[ Parent ]
But (1.40 / 10) (#26)
by FreeNSK on Wed Jun 08, 2005 at 12:29:30 AM EST

Not counting that your behaviour is trollish and that your post won't be published anyway, speaking just for licences, you copied the interviews without including the verbatim copying licence and in a comment you said "This story is a released under the CC-by-SA-2 licence as a derivate of the original". That's not right since you make the reader to believe that the interviews are also CC-by-SA-2, but they aren't. A CC-by-SA-2 notice for my text should be included in the article too (not just a comment), and you should also include at least this in the article for the interviews: The text of this article is Copyright (C) 2005 by Alexander No, Zeb, and NSK. Verbatim copying and redistribution of the entire text of this article are permitted provided this notice is preserved and a reference to its original locations is provided: http://portal.wikinerds.org/interview-alex-noe-2005jun and http://portal.wikinerds.org/interview-zeb-2005jun

=== NSK ===


[ Parent ]
Well then (3.00 / 7) (#28)
by C Montgomery Burns on Wed Jun 08, 2005 at 12:37:04 AM EST

you know what to do next!  DMCA time!
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ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD
Intelligent design
[ Parent ]
Time for a Nerd bitch slap & mud wrestle ! (3.00 / 7) (#30)
by blackpaw on Wed Jun 08, 2005 at 01:35:06 AM EST

Funny - its doesn't sound half as interesting as the ones at the local strip joint once I visualise it ...

[ Parent ]
Modified (3.00 / 7) (#31)
by blackpaw on Wed Jun 08, 2005 at 05:59:24 AM EST

Included the license in the article text.

Also I read your article as being under the license you quote - I don't believe you can cherry pick pieces of an article for different licenses.

Actually I'm a bit shocked that you choose to try and license parts of your article under a non free license (or non libre in NSK land), it would seem wildly inconsistent with your principles.

[ Parent ]

Modification (1.50 / 6) (#35)
by FreeNSK on Wed Jun 08, 2005 at 07:05:36 AM EST

There is really no need to allow others to modify your interview. You don't want people to change yours words and release libel versions of your interview, do you? My interview with Marcus Brinkmann was "verbatim copying" too, as well as my interview with Noe and Zeb. The webpages of the GNU are "verbatim copying" too. GFDL, GPL and LGPL are Copyrighted, All Rights Reserved, No Modification Allowed by FSF. GFDL allows you to define certain parts of your text as non-modifiable. CC-by-SA2 allows you to request certain changes in all derivative works (such as the removal of your name). "verbatim copying" means you can copy the text as long as you include the "verbatim copying" text in your copy (which you didn't). Now in the unlikely case your trollish blurb gets published, some people may believe the whole text is CC-by-SA2 and may change what Noe and Zeb said, which isn't good. The point of the mixed CC/verbatim licensing is "you can try to make my article better if you like, but please do not modify what Noe and Zeb said in the interviews".

=== NSK ===


[ Parent ]
And ... ? (3.00 / 7) (#37)
by blackpaw on Wed Jun 08, 2005 at 07:12:34 AM EST

"you can try to make my article better if you like, but please do not modify what Noe and Zeb said in the interviews".

I did not change their words

[ Parent ]

And... (1.66 / 6) (#38)
by FreeNSK on Wed Jun 08, 2005 at 07:23:30 AM EST

You didn't change their words, but you don't clearly notify the recipients of your derivative work (i.e. the readers of this page) what their rights and obligations are regarding the text. As it is now, it looks like the whole text is CC-by-SA2. Someone may wish to play or do harm and publish modified interviews. If it is libel, then YOU could be responsible for this, because you failed to notify the people about the correct licensing terms of the text. But if you ensure that the readers can clearly understand that the interviews are non-modifiable, then you will have no responsibility. Before creating derivative works, maybe you should learn more about copyright licences. It would be unfortunate if someone did something wrong with the text just because you wanted to troll and you couldn't understand this issue. The point of including the licence in the text is to ensure that you make clear to the reader their rights and obligations under the law. IANAL - I Am Not A Lawyer and this is not legal advice. ...And after saying all this, could you please now cancel your submission? My post is going to be posted anyway, so there's no point in continuing this trolling.

=== NSK ===


[ Parent ]
Unethical (3.00 / 10) (#36)
by blackpaw on Wed Jun 08, 2005 at 07:11:11 AM EST

Attempting to have crucial parts of your interview under closed license would seem to make a mockery of the "Libre" license on the rest as the interview is useless without them.

I suggest that you are a hypocrite - you've put forward the appearance of a open license while keeping the substance closed, basically an attempt to have it both ways, i.e appear to be a GNU believer while keeping the source udner your control only.

[ Parent ]

Wrong (1.42 / 7) (#39)
by FreeNSK on Wed Jun 08, 2005 at 08:14:06 AM EST

I write this not to reply to you (because you are not really interested to read what I write, you just accusing me of anything you can think of as part of a ridiculous trolling attempt) but just to inform other (reasonable) people who read this thread. Non-modifiable pieces of text are not unethical: I asked Noe and Zeb whether they would agree to licence their interview under the verbatim copying licence, and they agreed. If they had asked me to make it CC or GFDL, I would have no problem too, although I wouldn't recommend it. On my websites I publish content only if the readers can copy it (and optionally modify it). When someone agreed to license me all of their content, but not extend this licence to my readers, I avoided publishing anything under these conditions. If it was unethical to disallow editing portions of a text, FSF would not have released the GFDL licence, which specifically addresses non-modifiable sections of a text. All GNU webpages are non-modifiable too, as well as the GPL licence. Even the GNU Manifesto is not licensed under a free-modification licence, according to the best of my knowledge (there's no reason to change Stallman's words, especially in philosophical writings, which may be a target for libel). Richard Stallman's website is "verbatim copying" too (why would you ever want to modify his personal pages? they are personal opinions). Interviews are also personal opinions, and there is no need to allow random people all over the world to modify an interview. verbatim copying is enough for opinions.

=== NSK ===


[ Parent ]
Droll (3.00 / 9) (#40)
by blackpaw on Wed Jun 08, 2005 at 08:43:24 AM EST

because you are not really interested to read what I write

Nice, considering you avoided the substance of my reply and misrepresented it - deliberately or via ignorance

I said nothing regarding non-modifiable text being unethical, you spun that out of thin air. My objection was to you attempting to make your article effectively unmodifiable and closed while trying to claim the 'kudos' of a GPL like license.

[ Parent ]

ridiculous (3.00 / 4) (#50)
by reidbold on Thu Jun 09, 2005 at 08:44:02 AM EST

FreeNSK is being an asshat. From the text of the original article:
They agreed to license their interviews under a "verbatim copying" licence, which means you can copy and re-publish them.
It doesn't really matter what faux legalise is attached to the end of the article. Kudos for stripping his fucking adverts.

[ Parent ]
To summarise (3.00 / 13) (#47)
by blackpaw on Wed Jun 08, 2005 at 06:45:58 PM EST

You've included closed source code in a GPL'd source and published it with advertising for your site.

You refused patches for the code:
- Fixing the spelling of "Libre" (for free)
- Removing the advertising
- removing the redundant personal info

Then when I forked it you objected violently.


[ Parent ]

In my humble opinion... (none / 1) (#53)
by OpAmp on Fri Jun 10, 2005 at 02:36:16 PM EST

...having the text, with 3 different copyright holders and under 2 different licenses at the same only makes the matter confusing. I'd have either published all of the text under "verbatim copying" license or split the analysis and interviews into separate works.

Besides, I don't really see any sense in publishing a news/opinion/analysis piece under a license allowing modification: if one disagrees with someone else's opinion, she should write a critique of the original, and not twist the original around to match her point of view.

But that's me.

[ Parent ]

+1 FP sheds light on CC issues (2.80 / 5) (#43)
by Phssthpok on Wed Jun 08, 2005 at 11:17:21 AM EST

I thought it would be just fine to place the license information in the first comment, but that could be confusing if comments are sorted newest-first.
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affective flattening has caused me to kill 11,357 people

+1 FP; Alleged Copyright Infringment (2.50 / 2) (#48)
by kamera on Thu Jun 09, 2005 at 01:12:22 AM EST

Although, I have no idea what all the fuss is about. FreeNSK managed to include his self-promotion skit about a half-dozen times already in the comments, as if anyone actually cares that he's a vegetarian and a freeciv player.

"Selfishness is not living as one wishes to live, it is asking others to live as one wishes to live." -- Oscar Wilde

Please correct 'Free' to 'Libre'. (1.20 / 5) (#51)
by LibreNSK on Thu Jun 09, 2005 at 10:56:31 AM EST

Freedom is slavery.

"A gimp, not a troll."
This text is Copyright (C) 2005 by NSK.

Cmdr Taco, is that you? nt (none / 1) (#55)
by daemondust on Tue Jul 12, 2005 at 01:57:53 AM EST



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