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Going back to OS/2

By Del Griffith in Technology
Sun Feb 01, 2009 at 05:32:03 AM EST
Tags: OS-2, pentium 4, ISA, country.sys, anti-crawford-emergency-meausres (all tags)

Well I've been locked inside from some stupid ice storm, so I was cleaning up and I came across my old OS/2 2.0 diskettes.  I figured what the hell I have nothing else to do so I'll give it a shot.


The PC I use for stating some ancient stuff for work is one of those cool P4 motherboards with PCI and ISA slots.  Yes, that's right in the real world I still get called on some shit that requires a custom built ISA card.  Anyways my point being this is not an average P4 computer.  It's more like the older machines than the newer ones.  Don't expect this to work on your average P4.

I already have a 320gb western digital hard disk jumpered into `compatibility' mode so that things like MS-DOS can run on it without issues.  I figured OS/2 wouldn't notice the difference, nor care.  I also wanted to setup OS/2 to dual boot between OS/2 and MS-DOS.  Since the version of OS/2 I have is 2.0 that means it comes with WinOS/2 built in, even though it's built around Windows 3.0.  However, like in the good old days (were they?) I remember OS/2 being a better place to be doing DOS work, So I took my floppies, started the boot and it seemed like it was working until some random CONTRY.SYS error popped up.

Well I know this is a super weird issue, as I don't see how this file could be causing a crash.  I did however remember that almost all PC's then required you to not only disable the cpu cache's (internal and external) and to additionally comment out the PS/2 device drivers.  Now I know some people would think their PS/2 mouse that they are using is a PS/2 device, it is not, in the sense that these drivers are for micro channel peripherals.

So I removed the following lines from the config.sys on diskette #1:






basedev=ibm2flpy.add


basedev=ibm2adsk.add


basedev=ibm2scsi.add




I rebooted, and lo, it saw my C drive!  So I figured I'd partition the disk later as I recall HPFS not being the fastest thing in the world to format.  One word of warning floppies are SLOW and CUMBERSOME...  Loading the OS took a while.  Once the text mode of the install was complete it did have to remind me that I needed to fix the config.dos & autoexec.dos files for dual boot.  I had to simply add





shell=c:doscommand.com p





To the config.sys and:





comspec=c:doscommand.com




To the autoexec.bat

So I took note of it, and let it reboot for the GUI portion of the install.  The first thing that really surprised me is that once the BIOS had done it's reboot I was at the GUI install in a flash.  Anyways as fast as that may have been time to shuffle MORE floppies.. It's slow.  It's painful.  Just as it was in 1992.  Once the install is finished it's time to reboot.  And again I'm just amazed at how fast this thing boots!  I timed it at 3 seconds.  But in all fairness it's a 3Ghz P4, with 1gb of ram.  It's just a virgin install with nothing in the way of modern functionality.  But is it ever FAST.  I even checked the syslevel command to verify that 2.0 did indeed have a 16bit graphical subsystem, but it's just so.. responsive.  Ok time to fix that.

The OS may have been from 1992, but in 2009 anything that isn't networked isn't worth much.  I have an Intel Pro/100E network card (PCI) and I was hoping it would work.  I dug back into my floppy collection and pulled out my TCP/IP for OS/2 2.0 & 2.1.  Naturally this meant MORE floppy shuffling, and after starting the install the LAPS install (some IBM network card abstraction thing that we kind of take for granted today) comes with some predefined IBM network cards, but naturally no Intel PCI network cards.  And much to my disappointment there is no option to `add' a new network driver into the mix.  Shame on IBM here.  I imagine that they later did improve that major shortcoming.  In the interim I selected the 3COM Etherlink II card, bound TCP/IP to it, and let the install finish.  Afterwards I was able to simply put in my Ethernet driver floppy and copy off the driver & nif file into the C:IBMCOMMACS directory.  Then it was a matter of modifying the config.sys to point to the correct NIC, and massaging the protocol.ini .. Certainly NOT for the faint of heart.  IBM really did drop the ball here, and while it's as cumbersome as the MS Lanman for dos client, it's so behind the Windows for Workgroups networking.

After loading TCP/IP I was saddened to see it easily adding a few seconds to the boot time.  For some reason it was vital for OS/2 to display the fact that it's loading the network drivers.  I have to admit at this point networking feels as integrated as it was in MS-DOS.  Clearly IBM and Microsoft failed it here, and it's no surprise when Microsoft divorced IBM, they took control and made sure that OS components felt like they belonged.

One nice thing to say is the telnet client does work great, even if it is from IBM.  The tn3270 seems functional but I don't have that much anymore in the way of a mainframe environment to worry about.  Much to my amazement I was able to quickly find an IRC client.  EzIRC ( http://ftp.undernet.org/clients/os2/ezirc/ ), and I even found service pack 2 for OS/2 2.0 still lovingly kept at IBM's old ftp site ps.boulder.ibm.com.  (ps/products/os2/fixes/v2.00/xr06100a)

The sad thing about the fixpack was that it required MORE FLOPPIES AGAIN.  What was it with the early 1990's?  Why couldn't we service pack from a network directory?  What if I didn't want to make 19 floppies?  It was after the floppy shuffle to bring the release level up to something just prior to OS/2 2.1 when disaster struck.  It seems the disk drives were reading the hard disk all wrong, and couldn't read my extended partition.. chkdsk even said it was unable to find the filesytem marker..  Luckily I just quickly booted off floppy (after disabling the cpu cache) and copied the disk driver from the 2.0 #1 diskette, and rebooted and all was well.  Very strange.

At this point I was hoping for some web action.  Sadly every browser thing is for OS/2 3.0 and above.  The best I could come up with was lynx 2.8.  What is more sad is that it its support for gzip'd pages is screwed up.  It's enough to navigate google and some ftp sites, but not good enough for anything more.  I feel bad for blind people on this, as it's got to be a major chore to figure out what's wrong with it.

It's worth noting that my Word for Windows 2.0 works under this setup.  Its good to have the old thing going, as the 64bit windows editions have removed the old WOW 16bit compatibility.

My conclusion from the whole exercise is that it's amazing how FAST an assembly written x86 operating system is.  You know it's funny how Microsoft sold us down the road of operating systems needing to be portable, the end of CISC, and the need for all this vaporware bullshit... And in the end it's only x86 cpus being sold (I guess nobody except NexGEN could have thought about a RISC cpu doing x86 in hardware...) in any number, and that for the most part, PCs have remained fundamentally unchanged.

Although I have to admit that over the years, WindowsNT has grown on me, in that I prefer its dynamic base for device drivers, and I actually like the idea behind the registry.  This is where OS/2 is clearly derived from the concepts of MS-DOS with its archaic config.sys & startup.cmd files.  It is interesting to think that OS/2 could have been kept mainstream, but of course there was the OEM issue.  The bottom line was that as Windows 3.1 shifted to Windows 95, and IBM's source licensing was ending there was no way to guarantee compatibility with win32 applications.  

I'm sure that even if IBM had relinquished control of the OS/2 GUI to Microsoft, and allowed the WLO project to move forward, Microsoft would have still dumped IBM.

But all this doesn't matter.

For what it is worth, in early 1990's (was it 1993?) I somehow managed to buy a 486/sx-20 for $20.  The job was typical of even today, where the guy's PC was fucked up with a bad load of windows, and all this shitty software dragging it down.  He had already "upgraded" to some AMD 486-40Mhz thing, and all I had to do was install Windows 3.1 and setup a printer.... Oh and the board came with 4mb of ram!

But I must admit, I ran OS/2 1.3 on it, 4mb of ram just wasn't enough for 2.0...  I had just thought it was super cool to download shit @ 2400 baud, and play X-Wing at the same time.

Well there was that & and to run `large' programs with Microsoft Fortran 5.1 to do some work for school.. But truth be told, 16bit protected wasn't that much better then 16bit real.. Sure you get more segments, but they are all 64kb.

In the end it's always the same though, back to windows.  Its too bad I never did get a copy of VirtualPC for OS/2... then I may have kept it around.  But with no ability to get email, and the lack of a NetBIOS/TCPIP client working just shows how... lacking OS/2 was.

I guess the IBM people used tn3270 to talk to PROFFS.  Who knows.  I'm sure it was something weird before they absorbed Lotus.



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Poll
OS/2
o late 30%
o great 15%
o never used it 51%
o I used it 33%
o will never use it agian 27%
o Oh got, not the config.sys bullshit! 15%
o It's what happens when IBM is involved with anything 21%
o Well it booted fast, too bad it's not usefull 30%
o I hear some jackoff needs 1-2-3 for it for some macro 9%
o ZZzzzzzz 21%
o Write something about CP/M or SYSVr4 15%
o Or about linux 3%
o yes LINUX and it's amazing variants 9%
o or Mach 15%
o Anti Crawford Emergency Meausres 36%

Votes: 33
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Going back to OS/2 | 62 comments (56 topical, 6 editorial, 0 hidden)
more rambling than crawford (3.00 / 3) (#1)
by totmacher on Thu Jan 29, 2009 at 05:14:45 PM EST

but you took me back. +1 when you put it up there

-- I'll sum it up for yo: You = Douche bag ~ Butthurtapotamus
you're fucking stupid (2.00 / 3) (#5)
by loteck on Thu Jan 29, 2009 at 08:24:40 PM EST

you follow in a fine tradition of stupid annoying users that have come before you. please leave or get banned soon, like them.
--
"You're in tune to the musical sound of loteck hi-fi, the musical sound that moves right round. Keep on moving ya'll." -Mylakovich
"WHAT AN ETERNAL MOBIUS STRIP OF FELLATIATIC BANALITY THIS IS." -Harry B Otch

[ Parent ]
then it is my honor to hold the line! (3.00 / 2) (#9)
by totmacher on Thu Jan 29, 2009 at 09:35:23 PM EST

so that when the time comes, the surviving cockroach jew trolls can look back, to the beginning!

-- I'll sum it up for yo: You = Douche bag ~ Butthurtapotamus
[ Parent ]
already extensively covered: (none / 1) (#4)
by Vampire Zombie Abu Musab al Zarqawi on Thu Jan 29, 2009 at 06:04:37 PM EST

http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2005/7/24/171835/424

And I'm pretty sure (none / 0) (#45)
by jandev on Sat Jan 31, 2009 at 10:13:51 PM EST

neozeed is even one of Del's alter egos. I think it's the one before Louis Winthorpe III.

"ENGINEERS" IS NOT POSSESSIVE. IT'S A PLURAL. YOU DO NOT MOTHERFUCKING MARK A PLURAL WITH A COCKSUCKING APOSTROPHE. APOSTROPHES ARE FOR MARKING POSSESSIVES IN THIS CASE. IF YOU WEREN'T A TOTAL MORON, YOU WOULD BE SAYING SOMETHING LIKE "THE CIVIL ENGINEER'S SMALL PENIS". SEE THAT APOSTROPHE? IT'S A HAPPY APOSTROPHE. IT'S NOT BEING ABUSED BY SOME GODDAMN SHIT-FOR-BRAINS IDIOT WITH NO EDUCATION. - Nimey
[ Parent ]

I fucking hate OS/2 (3.00 / 3) (#7)
by Nimey on Thu Jan 29, 2009 at 09:18:40 PM EST

every time I load up the v4.5 virtual machine I want to pull my hair out.  Everything's so obsolete even with the latest fixpacks, and it's insanely difficult to get a semi-modern web browser going, not least because the included one doesn't even work.

IBM partly lost the OS war because of Microsoft's monopolistic business tactics, but they also lost because they sucked harder than the competition.

I'm told that some of these problems go away if I've got the final Convenience Pack, which is essentially like having a WinXP SP3 install disc, in that a bunch of newer crap is pre-integrated, but it seems difficult to find the ISO.
--
Never mind, it was just the dog cumming -- jandev
You Sir, are an Ignorant Motherfucker. -- Crawford
I am arguably too manic to do that. -- Crawford
I already fuck my mother -- trane
Nimey is right -- Blastard
i am in complete agreement with Nimey -- i am a pretty big deal

And OMG, installing official updates (none / 1) (#8)
by Nimey on Thu Jan 29, 2009 at 09:23:28 PM EST

outside of the Fixpack is a fucking total pain.  You download these ZIP files full of a bunch of floppy images and have to tell the VM to mount the floppy images one after another.

Then there's the painfest of converting an existing installation to use HPFS so you can get long file names.  Yes, the goddamn FAT implementation only supports 8.3 filenames, and that's a non-starter if you're trying to get Firefox working.  You've got to screw around with multiple floppies, again.
--
Never mind, it was just the dog cumming -- jandev
You Sir, are an Ignorant Motherfucker. -- Crawford
I am arguably too manic to do that. -- Crawford
I already fuck my mother -- trane
Nimey is right -- Blastard
i am in complete agreement with Nimey -- i am a pretty big deal

[ Parent ]

Yes, it's true (none / 1) (#12)
by Del Griffith on Thu Jan 29, 2009 at 11:14:28 PM EST

the son of MS-DOS never did grow beyond the floppy.

I thought it was more so a thing with OS/2 1.x & 2.x  I recall there being this nifty 'web update' thing with WARP 3...  But then I'm betting it's HTTP 1.0 only, and in this day & age doesn't work worth a damn.

It's funny in that OS/2's niche really was running windows 3.1 & MS-DOS programs... It's no small wonder the world moved on to win32.  I mean as sucky as NT feels it's not the MS-DOS config.sys hell of OS/2, nor is it the UNIX hell of /etc/rc.d/init.d ... But even then the linux fags have tried their best to return to the hell of the OS/2 config.sys days with modules.....

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I...I like me. My wife likes me. My customers like me. Because I'm the real article. What you see is what you get. - Me


[ Parent ]

The web update thing doesn't work (none / 0) (#16)
by Nimey on Fri Jan 30, 2009 at 09:47:24 AM EST

at least not for me.  The extent of what I found (and this is IIRC, since it's been a couple months) was a website deep in the bowels of IBM with a list of downloadable files.

Maybe the web update thingum would work with one of the newer Convenience Packs.  But given how many other things IBM screwed up, probably not.

I torrented eComStation 2.0 RC5 last night, and I'll try to play with it over the weekend to see what the latest descendant of OS/2 looks like.
--
Never mind, it was just the dog cumming -- jandev
You Sir, are an Ignorant Motherfucker. -- Crawford
I am arguably too manic to do that. -- Crawford
I already fuck my mother -- trane
Nimey is right -- Blastard
i am in complete agreement with Nimey -- i am a pretty big deal

[ Parent ]

A friend of mine sent me his warp 4.0 (none / 0) (#17)
by Del Griffith on Fri Jan 30, 2009 at 09:52:16 AM EST

well actually it was mine until I gave it to him before I fully went to NT back then...

Although what was funny is that where I worked they had THOUSANDS of seats of OS/2 users for some custom app that did 3270 integration of various systems to look like... a 3270.

You know, it's funny but I almost suspect they are still running OS/2.  They paid Arthur Anderson several hundred million (I wish I was kidding) for some next generation replacement but they fucked it up badly and did some bullshit Visual Basic 6 thing that needless to say crashed.. A LOT.

The last I heard from them was when the turned off all the RS/6000's I had setup (they were in the closet) and they found out that they were the root DNS's for region... lol..

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I...I like me. My wife likes me. My customers like me. Because I'm the real article. What you see is what you get. - Me


[ Parent ]

ECS is a no-go (none / 0) (#27)
by Nimey on Fri Jan 30, 2009 at 11:11:40 PM EST

one must have a ridiculously long registration code for it to install, and none of the usual places have it for the RC. Piratebay had v4.52 Convenience Pack 2, so that's worth trying.
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Never mind, it was just the dog cumming -- jandev
You Sir, are an Ignorant Motherfucker. -- Crawford
I am arguably too manic to do that. -- Crawford
I already fuck my mother -- trane
Nimey is right -- Blastard
i am in complete agreement with Nimey -- i am a pretty big deal

[ Parent ]
heh (none / 0) (#29)
by Del Griffith on Fri Jan 30, 2009 at 11:58:33 PM EST

I installed 4.0 and it's more useless than 2.0... But I guess it could be Virtual PC 2007 on windows 7 x64?

Anyways without fail it can't find ANYTHING on the network.. I'm somewhat hesitant to actually install it on a physical machine, lest I have to re-do the 50 floppies....

And I saw the pricing of ecom... $250!  These guys are nuts, even at it's "height" of warp 3.0 it was 79$ to upgrade and 129$ for full.

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I...I like me. My wife likes me. My customers like me. Because I'm the real article. What you see is what you get. - Me


[ Parent ]

Hmm (none / 1) (#31)
by Nimey on Sat Jan 31, 2009 at 09:14:10 AM EST

I'm using OS/2 in Virtual PC 2007 on WinXP.  My WinXP VM (since I'm most familiar with it) says that VPC emulates an Intel 21140 Fast Ethernet adapter.  If you can't get any network access, does it see the device?  Now I wish I'd documented what I did when I screwed with it originally.

Can you get on the Internet?  I know the included browser is fail, but ISTR OS/2's got an FTP client, and you can hunt up Opera 5.xx, which was the last Opera version for this benighted OS.
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Never mind, it was just the dog cumming -- jandev
You Sir, are an Ignorant Motherfucker. -- Crawford
I am arguably too manic to do that. -- Crawford
I already fuck my mother -- trane
Nimey is right -- Blastard
i am in complete agreement with Nimey -- i am a pretty big deal

[ Parent ]

Well I did figure this much out (none / 0) (#33)
by Del Griffith on Sat Jan 31, 2009 at 01:33:07 PM EST

The driver that ships with 4.0 is way older then the one I downloaded... I've got the 3.0 driver that loads under warp & 2.0.  Now the real weird thing is that neither work with NAT, however I just added a nic to my XP VM, set it up to do the network sharing, added the OS/2 VM's onto 'local only' and now both connect...

I managed to get Netscape 2.02 from here...

Sure it's old as hell, but it should be able to hit k5 without issues, right?  They are of the same era... Naturally I had to disable all the java/javascirpt bullshit.. Funny how generational such a 'portable' thing is.

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I...I like me. My wife likes me. My customers like me. Because I'm the real article. What you see is what you get. - Me


[ Parent ]

Oh, here (none / 0) (#36)
by Nimey on Sat Jan 31, 2009 at 02:34:51 PM EST

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/3669609/OS2_Warp_Client_v4.52_(Convenience_Package_2)

This will work a lot better for you.
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Never mind, it was just the dog cumming -- jandev
You Sir, are an Ignorant Motherfucker. -- Crawford
I am arguably too manic to do that. -- Crawford
I already fuck my mother -- trane
Nimey is right -- Blastard
i am in complete agreement with Nimey -- i am a pretty big deal

[ Parent ]

Scoop's HTML fails it (none / 0) (#37)
by Nimey on Sat Jan 31, 2009 at 02:35:30 PM EST

let's try that again.
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Never mind, it was just the dog cumming -- jandev
You Sir, are an Ignorant Motherfucker. -- Crawford
I am arguably too manic to do that. -- Crawford
I already fuck my mother -- trane
Nimey is right -- Blastard
i am in complete agreement with Nimey -- i am a pretty big deal

[ Parent ]
Again you reveal your lack of ethics (none / 1) (#30)
by Ron Paul on Sat Jan 31, 2009 at 12:46:15 AM EST

you would steal and pirate. I need a shot of milk of magnesia now.Heartburn from the painkillers I take to make me feel better about how you treated me with your 0s.

This [Ron Paul] Diary! has brought Kuro5hin back to life! HUZZAH


[ Parent ]

I still have my old XT in the basement. (none / 0) (#10)
by superdiva on Thu Jan 29, 2009 at 11:07:56 PM EST

5.25 drive, installed modem, mouse, and Word and all.  The last time I booted the machine, my old usenet files, CompuServe and Prodigy account info were still on it.  
_____________________________________________

Psych-E


what's the status of the usenet (none / 0) (#13)
by Del Griffith on Thu Jan 29, 2009 at 11:31:41 PM EST

er I mean porn on that drive?

What's the surviability of such porn?

Is it even remotly 'exciting' as say much of anything today?

How does it compare?

These are vital questions to a usenet survivability study.....

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I...I like me. My wife likes me. My customers like me. Because I'm the real article. What you see is what you get. - Me


[ Parent ]

I never joined the porn sites... (none / 0) (#14)
by superdiva on Thu Jan 29, 2009 at 11:40:14 PM EST

I'm a disgrace to K5...

Some old erotica in moldy text files was the most porn I ever got from the writer's group I was a part of.  I'm tempted to see if some of them are still around somewhere in the ether.
_____________________________________________

Psych-E


[ Parent ]

you should tranfer the data (none / 1) (#15)
by Del Griffith on Thu Jan 29, 2009 at 11:47:38 PM EST

while you can anyways....

but then I end up putting old shit on CD's and then never looking at it again...

I never really saved that much in the way of old usenet... Although I did test various usenet programs on alt.fan.surak.. I can't think of any use for such an archive..

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I...I like me. My wife likes me. My customers like me. Because I'm the real article. What you see is what you get. - Me


[ Parent ]

would you like to IM me? (none / 0) (#47)
by Sturmbannfuehrer von Braun on Sun Feb 01, 2009 at 03:34:35 AM EST

I am frequently available for AIM chat.

-- SS Sturmbannführer Dr Baron Wernher Magnus Maximilian von Braun, Esq.
[ Parent ]
A/S/L? $ (none / 0) (#50)
by Nimey on Sun Feb 01, 2009 at 12:53:17 PM EST


--
Never mind, it was just the dog cumming -- jandev
You Sir, are an Ignorant Motherfucker. -- Crawford
I am arguably too manic to do that. -- Crawford
I already fuck my mother -- trane
Nimey is right -- Blastard
i am in complete agreement with Nimey -- i am a pretty big deal

[ Parent ]
34/M/Cumming, GA .nt (none / 1) (#52)
by Sturmbannfuehrer von Braun on Mon Feb 02, 2009 at 03:23:40 AM EST



-- SS Sturmbannführer Dr Baron Wernher Magnus Maximilian von Braun, Esq.
[ Parent ]
I still have an original IBM PC (none / 1) (#48)
by bgarcia on Sun Feb 01, 2009 at 07:30:32 AM EST

I brought it down out of the attic to let my 8yo have fun learning basic on it. The PC had a built-in BASIC just like all the other 80's computers. It was slow, fairly quiet, and quite miserly with the power consumption, according to my killawatt meter.

[ Parent ]
DOS education is good (none / 1) (#49)
by superdiva on Sun Feb 01, 2009 at 12:52:19 PM EST

I loved learning DOS as a teen, and I think it's probably the best way to help your child really learn about computers.  Before Microsoft started churning out PCs with ready-use-mouse and printer, I learned what LPT1 and COM ports were to install a mouse and printer.  

And when and if your kid buys his own computer with network and router, he'll know how to bring up the use the config and ip commands instead having to call technical help.
_____________________________________________

Psych-E


[ Parent ]

Nits (3.00 / 2) (#18)
by QuantumFoam on Fri Jan 30, 2009 at 01:32:00 PM EST

What is more sad is that it is's support for gzip'd pages is screwed up.

And in the end it's only x86 cpu's being sold

in any number, and that for the most part, PC's have remained fundamentally unchanged.

in that I prefer it's dynamic base for

NetBIOS/TCPIP client working just show's how.

Please dig out your fifth grade grammar book for another blast from the past: the proper use of apostrophes.

- Barack Obama: Because it will work this time. Honest!

ok fixed (none / 0) (#19)
by Del Griffith on Fri Jan 30, 2009 at 02:23:00 PM EST

Now that I've noticed it, scoop kills all my forward slashes... and keeps adding [br]'s into everything

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I...I like me. My wife likes me. My customers like me. Because I'm the real article. What you see is what you get. - Me


[ Parent ]

REPOSTING FROM DIARY (none / 1) (#20)
by lostincali on Fri Jan 30, 2009 at 07:16:04 PM EST

nobody worth paying attention to is impressed with your knowledge of old-as-shit unix platforms that nobody's used in 20 years, or all of the "enterprise" hardware that you've touched, or all of the supposedly glamorous traveling that you do, or how generously-compensated you are in your employment.

"The least busy day [at McDonalds] is Monday, and then sales increase throughout the week, I guess as enthusiasm for life dwindles."

sucks to be you. (none / 0) (#21)
by Del Griffith on Fri Jan 30, 2009 at 07:31:17 PM EST

What does all that vitriol get you?

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I...I like me. My wife likes me. My customers like me. Because I'm the real article. What you see is what you get. - Me


[ Parent ]

A mix of contempt and pity (3.00 / 3) (#23)
by Nimey on Fri Jan 30, 2009 at 09:19:22 PM EST

and definitely not any pussy.
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Never mind, it was just the dog cumming -- jandev
You Sir, are an Ignorant Motherfucker. -- Crawford
I am arguably too manic to do that. -- Crawford
I already fuck my mother -- trane
Nimey is right -- Blastard
i am in complete agreement with Nimey -- i am a pretty big deal

[ Parent ]
A raging hardon, a tube of lube and his right hand (1.33 / 3) (#59)
by BJH on Sat Feb 07, 2009 at 11:53:46 AM EST


--
Roses are red, violets are blue.
I'm schizophrenic, and so am I.
-- Oscar Levant

[ Parent ]
i'm not impressed (1.50 / 2) (#25)
by totmacher on Fri Jan 30, 2009 at 10:47:07 PM EST

but it was a good write-up.

why the hate, brotha? or are you afraid to look in that dark place inside and post anything worth a damn on k5?

-- I'll sum it up for yo: You = Douche bag ~ Butthurtapotamus
[ Parent ]

like the true coward you are, (1.50 / 2) (#26)
by totmacher on Fri Jan 30, 2009 at 11:02:30 PM EST

you rate me 0, instead of replying like a man, because you're truly ashamed of yourself

look at this, here...
lostincali has posted 3813 comments, 2 stories, and 161 diaries.

2 stories, really? and I can't even see them, because they've been archived. and the first 3 pages of diaries not worth a god damn.

get off my nuts, and more importantly, get off the nuts who are actually trying to contribute, you worthless piece of shit

-- I'll sum it up for yo: You = Douche bag ~ Butthurtapotamus
[ Parent ]

Convenience Pack is convenient (none / 1) (#32)
by Nimey on Sat Jan 31, 2009 at 11:32:47 AM EST

No fucking about with floppies, at least for the initial installation.  The torrented version has two ISOs, one for booting and for some installation, and another with more installable stuff.  It has a semi-modern web browser by default, which is based on Mozilla 0.9x, and Java 1.3.

Still fighting with something about Ethernet-card detection, which I fixed with the old OS/2 install but can't remember how.
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I am arguably too manic to do that. -- Crawford
I already fuck my mother -- trane
Nimey is right -- Blastard
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I'll see if I can remember where (none / 0) (#34)
by Del Griffith on Sat Jan 31, 2009 at 01:36:29 PM EST

I got this diskette thing with the 'newer' drivers... It's all labled intel so that may be the hint... It may also be on the VirtualPC guy's blog thing..

I know I'd labled it for Windows for Workgroups, which was what I had originally used it for.  Needless to say I think there are far more Windows for Workgroup users then OS/2 users...

Although that does remind me, I should load Internet Explorer 5 on this thing.. Netscape 2.02 sucks, but I hope IE5 sucks less...

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I found the one I'm using (none / 0) (#35)
by Del Griffith on Sat Jan 31, 2009 at 01:47:37 PM EST

right here.

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Doesn't work for the CP (none / 0) (#38)
by Nimey on Sat Jan 31, 2009 at 06:23:40 PM EST

I don't know why not. Maybe IBM re-did some of their driver-layer stuff between Warp 4.0 and this CP.
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Never mind, it was just the dog cumming -- jandev
You Sir, are an Ignorant Motherfucker. -- Crawford
I am arguably too manic to do that. -- Crawford
I already fuck my mother -- trane
Nimey is right -- Blastard
i am in complete agreement with Nimey -- i am a pretty big deal

[ Parent ]
thats odd.. (none / 0) (#39)
by Del Griffith on Sat Jan 31, 2009 at 06:59:14 PM EST

seeing how OS/2 seemed to maintain 16bit driver compatability....

I had thought the kernel was frozen since these ecom people do NOT have source access.. it's just drivers & stuff the provide....

I just copied the lanserver stuff into the IBMCOM MACS directory... then re-do it's laps nonsense and it'll let you pull out the old and insert the new.... FWIW....

What version does yours report itself on boot?

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14.086_W4 (none / 0) (#40)
by Nimey on Sat Jan 31, 2009 at 07:10:04 PM EST

When I tell the multi-protocol enabler dealie to use the drivers in the mslanman.os2 directory, it says that it's not the right sort of file.
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Never mind, it was just the dog cumming -- jandev
You Sir, are an Ignorant Motherfucker. -- Crawford
I am arguably too manic to do that. -- Crawford
I already fuck my mother -- trane
Nimey is right -- Blastard
i am in complete agreement with Nimey -- i am a pretty big deal

[ Parent ]
try the lansrvr one (none / 0) (#41)
by Del Griffith on Sat Jan 31, 2009 at 07:17:02 PM EST

the mslanman.os2 stuff is all 16bit...

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Spot on (none / 0) (#42)
by Nimey on Sat Jan 31, 2009 at 07:21:12 PM EST

that looks like it will do it, thanks.
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Never mind, it was just the dog cumming -- jandev
You Sir, are an Ignorant Motherfucker. -- Crawford
I am arguably too manic to do that. -- Crawford
I already fuck my mother -- trane
Nimey is right -- Blastard
i am in complete agreement with Nimey -- i am a pretty big deal

[ Parent ]
does it work any better for you? (none / 0) (#43)
by Del Griffith on Sat Jan 31, 2009 at 08:17:09 PM EST

Just wondering...

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Works fine now (none / 1) (#44)
by Nimey on Sat Jan 31, 2009 at 10:13:27 PM EST

I'll mess with trying out an up-to-date copy of Firefox later.
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Never mind, it was just the dog cumming -- jandev
You Sir, are an Ignorant Motherfucker. -- Crawford
I am arguably too manic to do that. -- Crawford
I already fuck my mother -- trane
Nimey is right -- Blastard
i am in complete agreement with Nimey -- i am a pretty big deal

[ Parent ]
The author of this piece is a nigger. (1.00 / 10) (#46)
by Ruston Rustov on Sat Jan 31, 2009 at 10:50:34 PM EST


I had had incurable open sores all over my feet for sixteen years. The doctors were powerless to do anything about it. I told my psychiatrist that they were psychosomatic Stigmata - the Stigmata are the wounds Jesus suffered when he was nailed to the cross. Three days later all my sores were gone. -- Michael Crawford
Maybe tomorrow. -- Michael Crawford
As soon as she has her first period, fuck your daughter. -- localroger

MMM's cock (none / 0) (#51)
by Nimey on Sun Feb 01, 2009 at 12:55:53 PM EST

choke on it.
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Never mind, it was just the dog cumming -- jandev
You Sir, are an Ignorant Motherfucker. -- Crawford
I am arguably too manic to do that. -- Crawford
I already fuck my mother -- trane
Nimey is right -- Blastard
i am in complete agreement with Nimey -- i am a pretty big deal

[ Parent ]
So when is OS/3 coming out? (2.00 / 2) (#53)
by grargrargrar on Mon Feb 02, 2009 at 05:49:39 AM EST

I expect that new filesystem Microsoft failed to implement with Vista to be included, BTW.

It's included in the PS/3. $ (none / 1) (#54)
by Nimey on Mon Feb 02, 2009 at 09:28:44 AM EST


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Never mind, it was just the dog cumming -- jandev
You Sir, are an Ignorant Motherfucker. -- Crawford
I am arguably too manic to do that. -- Crawford
I already fuck my mother -- trane
Nimey is right -- Blastard
i am in complete agreement with Nimey -- i am a pretty big deal

[ Parent ]
That actually kind of makes sense. (none / 0) (#56)
by grargrargrar on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 01:36:20 AM EST

And it worries me that is so.

[ Parent ]
I actualy had a beta of it.... (none / 0) (#55)
by Del Griffith on Mon Feb 02, 2009 at 11:16:33 AM EST

It was quite funny in that it looked more like OS/2, but you could feel the Windows NT underneath... and the 'setup' program was just some batch file you ran from under MS-DOS...

It really was weird, MS-OS2 3.0 was going to be.. interesting but in a way it's just as well it became Windows NT 3.1

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NT4 wasn't much better (none / 0) (#57)
by dark ally on Wed Feb 04, 2009 at 11:59:39 AM EST

I while back I tried to install NT4 on an old P200 ThinkPad to be a light-duty server.  Trying to find device drivers for the IBM PCcard NIC and the graphics adapter quickly killed that idea.  Win2K was much better as those drivers were included on the install CD.

Why OS/2 2.0? IIRC 2.11 was much better, though you'd probably have problems with device drivers.

Right now I'm trying to get Win98SE running on a P2-400+440BX+GeForce MX2/400 and having a devil of a time with the ForceWare drivers (Windows Protection Error on boot).  I don't know whether the card is bad or there's something else wrong.

In each of these cases, an OS is much easier to install when the device drivers are included in the install.  Of course, that can only happen when the device existed before the OS was released and if the device drivers were written either by the OS company or the vendor for the OS release.


Aye, NT4 sucked hard as well (none / 0) (#58)
by Nimey on Thu Feb 05, 2009 at 12:58:49 PM EST

you can at least get it on the Internet right away if your NIC is supported, but it still sucks.

Try using an older Nvidia driver.  I had a machine very similar to that eight years ago, and I seem to recall using the 30.xx and 40.xx Detonator drivers (as they were called back then) successfully with Windows 98.

If you need to install WinXP on a newer machine (especially one with a SATA hard drive) I strongly recommend pre-integrating the DriverPacks.net driverpacks into a WinXP ISO and burning it to DVD (necessary if you get the video and wireless drivers, they're big).  I also use nLite to make the installation process semi-unattended, by preselecting the administrator password, integrating the license key, etc, and you can use nLite to slipstream SP3 in as well.
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Never mind, it was just the dog cumming -- jandev
You Sir, are an Ignorant Motherfucker. -- Crawford
I am arguably too manic to do that. -- Crawford
I already fuck my mother -- trane
Nimey is right -- Blastard
i am in complete agreement with Nimey -- i am a pretty big deal

[ Parent ]

well sure 2.1 is better than 2.0 (none / 0) (#60)
by Del Griffith on Tue Feb 10, 2009 at 12:54:02 AM EST

but my 2.1 stuff is lost to the voids of time.. I remember paying good money for it, and it felt cool to run something from IBM with weird SYS errors, and pages left intentionally left blank....

Then again it was nice to run something from 1992 in 2009.. Just to say I could.  I nearly rebuilt the lynx 2.8 stuff to not need long names or any other bullshit temp/mangling... but that sounds like effort...

Instead I'm wasting my time with user mode tcp/ip stacks.  Oh the fun to be had!

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[ Parent ]

Free OS/2! (none / 1) (#61)
by Troll Hard on Fri Feb 13, 2009 at 03:30:39 PM EST

OSFree the open source version of OS/2.

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I thought it was a joke.. (none / 0) (#62)
by Del Griffith on Fri Feb 13, 2009 at 05:15:21 PM EST

but then I remembered the reactos thing....

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[ Parent ]

Netlabs has open source OS/2 programs (none / 1) (#63)
by Armstrong Hammer on Sun May 17, 2009 at 10:56:14 PM EST

Netlabs can be surfed at here to see their web site.
Learn about the true liberal agenda in the United States of America.

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