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Keep the vibe (Ask K5)

By mirko in Technology
Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 06:54:52 PM EST
Tags: guitar, amp, rock'n roll, shredders suck ass, sodomy (all tags)

So, I was something like 15 y.o. when I decided to play music.


I spared some money on my lunch tickets and bought my first Strat-copy.


As I read somewhere that Eddie practised without any kind of amplification, I waited sometime until I could afford something decent.


As my brother began playing with me (we planned on creating a rock band) we also bought a Precision copy bass which I learned in parallel to the guitar.


I have been playing in many bands, some jazzy, some rock, even hardcore/metal...

As I moved a lot, I spent the last 10 years playing at home, recording myself using Cubase VST, then Logic Pro.

Now, years have passed and my setup currently consists of:

  • Fender '72 Telecaster Thinline Reissue - Japanese prototype (1986)
    I really love that guitar, it can play anything.


  • Washburn Status - headless active bass
    This bass almost could have been used alone by Les Claypool to record his "Tales from the punchbowl" album. It's really versatile.


  • Behringer LX1-112 V-Ampire - guitar amp
    A cheap modelling amp that does the trick indoors but, though it appears to be versatile, is not excellent in any of the sound it attempts to emulate... too shallow.


  • Rockman Compressor/Sustainor
    I'm not a Boston fan but this has the very distorsion I've been looking for.


  • Rockman Chorus/Delay
    Clean and pristine analog chorus, it really sings.


  • Behringer VM1 Vintage Time Machine
    This is an analog delay-whatever. Really clean, unless you got the one the Chinese slave forgot to check. It really add warmth to the sound.


  • For the bass only: Zoom B2.1U
    An all-in-one effect device that has them all, from Bootsy to Les, to Shehan, to you-name-him...

At this time, I'd be quite happy with this setup but the amp just isn't loud enough and its modelisations don't quite fit with the analog effects... It's muddy.

So, I deactivate the once-beloved Marshall simulation and use the Behringer as a class-A amp.

I really like it with the bass and the B2.1U effector: it has both the Primus or the Sugar sounds (I'm not into sparkling slap), it's the guitar sound that I'd like to improve.

I'm looking forward to creating a new 40-something pop-punk-progressive band (imagine some kind of 40 y.o. nerdy punks who listen to Frank Zappa or John Coltrane and criticize the way things turned for their generation, that Obama -change-in-no-change-at-all- fuck and how Twitter is a mandatory public-masturbation device).

I'd like to improve my sound toward that luminous 80's-ish rock sound and to get something like that I could carry near a drummer... so I want a combo.

This has not to be obscenely expensive and, if I quite liked the Fender Supersonic when I tried it, I was also intrigued by the Jazz King and its clean jazzy sound and minimal technical features.

I read a lot about the FM 212R and its crappy overdriven sound but as thos who most often seem to despise its "dirty" channel also rave about its clean sound, I could appreciate it... but I'm not sure I would not regret takin a sub-standard amp that only newbies know about anyway...

I could also go for a Vox AC30, of course, of for the Hiwatt Custom 100 which I once owned, but here again I hesitate: my guitar is 23 y.o., my bass is almost 20: I want the definitive amp I'll keep forever...

It could also be a Swiss-made all-purpose gem.

I'd then like to know what the others guitarists have chosen, kept, and why... and maybe also what they would avoid at all costs.

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Best long-term amplification solution?
o Fender Jazzmaster Ultralight+speaker 0%
o Fender Jazz King 0%
o Fender Super Sonic 0%
o Fender Frontman 212R 0%
o Fender 65' Twin 16%
o Peavey Classic 50 16%
o Mesa Boogie Studio 22+ 0%
o Schertler Unico 0%
o Vox AC30 0%
o Marshall (tubed) 0%
o Orange 0%
o Hiwatt Custom 0%
o Laney 0%
o Keep it like it is 50%
o WIPO 16%

Votes: 6
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Keep the vibe (Ask K5) | 52 comments (50 topical, 2 editorial, 0 hidden)
Can we suggest lyrics? (3.00 / 10) (#1)
by GhostOfTiber on Wed Jun 03, 2009 at 09:46:08 AM EST

The first album title can be "The Mind is a 7th Dimensional Hypertorus"

[Nimey's] wife's ass is my cocksheath. - undermyne

Hypertorus (3.00 / 4) (#4)
by xC0000005 on Wed Jun 03, 2009 at 12:27:56 PM EST

sounds like a brand of cock ring or something like that.

Voice of the Hive - Beekeeping and Bees for those who don't
[ Parent ]
google:mindpixel site:kuro5hin.org (3.00 / 3) (#5)
by GhostOfTiber on Wed Jun 03, 2009 at 01:27:48 PM EST


[Nimey's] wife's ass is my cocksheath. - undermyne
[ Parent ]

gosh, you have a lot of nice toys (3.00 / 5) (#2)
by N0574 on Wed Jun 03, 2009 at 09:59:33 AM EST

And should you need a nerdy programmer-pianist for your punkrock band, I'd like to remind you that MichaelCrawford is currently available.

Also, please edit this paragraph for readability, dickbreath:

I have been playing in many band,some jazzy, some rock, even hardcore/metal... And, because I moved a lot, I finally spent the last 10 years playing at home, recording myself using Cubase VST, then, later, Logic Pro.


- NCCTG N0574 CANCER PROTOCOL
I'd give him a go... (3.00 / 3) (#3)
by mirko on Wed Jun 03, 2009 at 10:45:21 AM EST

...but he'd have to move to .CH ... I was thinking of a name like "political correctness" with bands pseudoes such as "cracker", "joo", "obama", "ossama"... And thanks for the readability advice.
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Finally I managed to make the decision that I would work on it. - MDC
we had to huddle together - trane
[ Parent ]
I spent a Summer in .CH. It was real nice. (3.00 / 2) (#6)
by MichaelCrawford on Wed Jun 03, 2009 at 04:46:26 PM EST

I did my undergraduate thesis at CERN, courtesy of the US Department of Energy.


--

Live your fucking life. Sue someone on the Internet. Write a fucking music player. Like the great man Michael David Crawford has shown us all: Hard work, a strong will to stalk, and a few fries short of a happy meal goes a long way. -- bride of spidy


[ Parent ]

CERN != .CH ... it's more EEC.$ (3.00 / 2) (#8)
by mirko on Wed Jun 03, 2009 at 05:20:16 PM EST


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Finally I managed to make the decision that I would work on it. - MDC
we had to huddle together - trane
[ Parent ]
The economic disparity of the CERN lunchrooms (3.00 / 4) (#9)
by MichaelCrawford on Wed Jun 03, 2009 at 05:30:14 PM EST

CERN's particle accellerator is a big ring that crosses the border between France and Switzerland - the protons and antiprotons each have to show their passports twice each go round.

I quickly discovered that because of the strength of the Swiss Franc as compared to the French Franc, it cost twice as much to dine in the lunchroom on the Swiss side as it did to dine in the French lunchroom.

One of the women who worked there, who knew not a word of English, took at interest in me. She would point out the various items available there at the buffet and tell me their names in French.

She also worked at the cafe in my collaboration's office building, so we would continue our completely uncomprehinding conversations during the afternoon break.

My last day there I didn't know how to tell her I was leaving. I felt really bad about it. Finally I held my arms out straight and made a loud whooshing sounds - like jet engines - while pantomiming flying around the cafe.

We were both very sad that day. I wonder whatever became of her.


--

Live your fucking life. Sue someone on the Internet. Write a fucking music player. Like the great man Michael David Crawford has shown us all: Hard work, a strong will to stalk, and a few fries short of a happy meal goes a long way. -- bride of spidy


[ Parent ]

You're cute, Karloff-ly that is.$ (3.00 / 2) (#12)
by mirko on Wed Jun 03, 2009 at 05:50:37 PM EST


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Finally I managed to make the decision that I would work on it. - MDC
we had to huddle together - trane
[ Parent ]
THANK YOU FOR MY DAILY MC FIX /nt (3.00 / 4) (#25)
by MotorMachineMercenary on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 04:46:05 PM EST


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- Herr mirleid
Meatgazer
- Frau gr3y


[ Parent ]
Some suggestions (3.00 / 2) (#29)
by Armstrong Hammer on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 10:23:35 PM EST

"political Incorrectness" sounds a lot better than "Political Correctness".

Other name suggestions:

"Obama's Ossama"

"Obama's Chains" as opposed to Obama's Change.

"Cracker Jacker"

"Joo Boo"

"Ignitz"

"Miracle Mules"

"House of Joos"

"Whacker Cracker"

"Wheat Thins"

"Buckwheat's Twins"

"Buckwheat have been shot!"

Learn about the true liberal agenda in the United States of America.

[ Parent ]
Can you recommend an instrument mic? (2.25 / 4) (#10)
by MichaelCrawford on Wed Jun 03, 2009 at 05:37:59 PM EST

I want to buy at least three condenser mics to record my new piano album - two for stereo above my upright piano, and one across the room.

I want quality equipment, but as my many Kuron friends are well aware, I am not made of money. I'm willing to take the time to save up for them, but I want something with good value.

So far I've been considering the M-Audio Pulsar II mics. They are available as matched pairs for $399.95 as well as individually for $199.

Do you have any experience with them? Are there other mics I should consider?

I don't place a very high level of trust in magazine or online audio equipment reviews, no more so than I do in those who proclaim the healing power of crystals.


--

Live your fucking life. Sue someone on the Internet. Write a fucking music player. Like the great man Michael David Crawford has shown us all: Hard work, a strong will to stalk, and a few fries short of a happy meal goes a long way. -- bride of spidy


Go for Røde.$ (3.00 / 3) (#11)
by mirko on Wed Jun 03, 2009 at 05:49:05 PM EST


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Finally I managed to make the decision that I would work on it. - MDC
we had to huddle together - trane
[ Parent ]
Hey, thanks for the tip! They look good. (3.00 / 2) (#13)
by MichaelCrawford on Wed Jun 03, 2009 at 05:54:04 PM EST

There are some dealers in the SF Bay Area where I live.


--

Live your fucking life. Sue someone on the Internet. Write a fucking music player. Like the great man Michael David Crawford has shown us all: Hard work, a strong will to stalk, and a few fries short of a happy meal goes a long way. -- bride of spidy


[ Parent ]

I personally use a NT3 for vocals... (3.00 / 3) (#15)
by mirko on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 12:18:49 AM EST

You can hear it around many songs, here.
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Finally I managed to make the decision that I would work on it. - MDC
we had to huddle together - trane
[ Parent ]
TECHNICALLY (3.00 / 2) (#26)
by Stick Apart on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 04:52:26 PM EST

there are all sorts of medicines / drugs that are CRYSTALLINE SOLIDS, or can be formulated as such

just saying...
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[ Parent ]

Rode NT 5 matched pair (3.00 / 2) (#30)
by Cadence on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 08:48:49 AM EST

Used them for years for piano, drum overheads, vocals - great little mics!

Fuck off.
[ Parent ]

Mike Out (none / 0) (#52)
by bindlestiff on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 10:36:03 PM EST

I have an AKG C-1000 that I'm quite fond of.  They are often used in pairs to good effect.  I'm sure you've found places like Harmony Central where you can read real peoples reviews, and I hope you'll reconsider its utility... just bring plenty of grains of salt.  The short story on the C-1000 is: great for pianos and acoustic guitars, not as good for vocals.  Another great budget mike is the Rode NT-1A, which I use for vocals and acoustic guitar.  Either of these mikes work well with a tube pre-amp of some kind. I use an inexpensive ART DPS-II.  I like it, but it's probably not for everyone or every instrument.  If you think you're having trouble figuring out which mike to buy, just wait till you start looking at pre-amps!

Good luck, Michael.

[ Parent ]

The Santa Cruz Operation had a company band (3.00 / 3) (#14)
by MichaelCrawford on Wed Jun 03, 2009 at 08:44:26 PM EST

Let's see if I can find you... a link!

They played lots of Geek parties back when I was a UCSC student.


--

Live your fucking life. Sue someone on the Internet. Write a fucking music player. Like the great man Michael David Crawford has shown us all: Hard work, a strong will to stalk, and a few fries short of a happy meal goes a long way. -- bride of spidy


cool story bro (2.25 / 4) (#16)
by I Did It All For The Horse Cock on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 05:41:43 AM EST




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Not sure this is a (3.00 / 5) (#18)
by TDS on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 06:31:33 AM EST

story, more of a diary but anyhow.

Fender American Deluxe Stratocaster.
Pearl white with a red tortoiseshell pick guard and a rosewood neck.

The pickups are excellent, not at all microphonic and almost eerily resistant to hum. The circuit for turning them into faux-humbuckers isn't such a win though, it just makes it sound muddy. And who wants a muddy sounding strat? The tuning heads and the whammy bar are also excellent.

Ibanez Artcore AG-85 (red, hollow body).
Looks brilliant, plays nicely, sounds shit. I play it while watching the TV.

I also have a Washburn AS-4 bass which I bought second hand years ago.

I used to have a Vox AC-30 which I sold a long time ago. I'd try before you buy, its a very distinctive sound and if you don't like it, you won't be able to dial much else in. I also had a cheap Laney 100 watt bass amp which I also sold.  These days I tend to just use either Korg Pandora (for serious practising along with the metronome) or else Amplitube 2 on the computer along with a bottom-of-the-range PCI audio card which works just fine.

I also have a Fender (Mex) Telecaster that I bought when I was at university. I've used it so much I wore the frets down. It lives in its case these days for sentimental reasons. One day I'll get round to jacking up the action on it and will use it for slide.

I've always wanted a Rickenbacker but the price of them in Europe is so high... well, I'd rather own a car.

And when we die, we will die with our hands unbound. This is why we fight.

Thx, I'm actually looking for an amp$ (3.00 / 2) (#19)
by mirko on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 06:57:02 AM EST


--
Finally I managed to make the decision that I would work on it. - MDC
we had to huddle together - trane
[ Parent ]
I was just sharing. (3.00 / 2) (#20)
by TDS on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 07:04:12 AM EST

Ahem.

Get the Fender Twin.

I don't know why you are even considering anything else.

Or go and get a good cab and then different heads if you are the fussy sort.

And when we die, we will die with our hands unbound. This is why we fight.
[ Parent ]

Thanks :) (3.00 / 2) (#21)
by mirko on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 07:12:49 AM EST

I'm also looking for an Ibanez Artfield AFD-45 and a Rickenbacker, maybe a Gretsch later and once in my life, I'd like to have a Gibson Flying V just to record some porn groove with :) Cocnerning the Twin, I'd sure love its sound but considering its 30 kilogs and the fact I live on the 4th floor, no lift, I'm kinda reluctant, hence the Jazzmaster Ultralight hint.
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Finally I managed to make the decision that I would work on it. - MDC
we had to huddle together - trane
[ Parent ]
tbh (3.00 / 2) (#22)
by TDS on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 07:14:12 AM EST

I know you said you don't want a cab and a head but I've found them easier in the past to move around than a big ass combo.

A cab itself is usually relatively light and you can put the head in a backpack.

And when we die, we will die with our hands unbound. This is why we fight.
[ Parent ]

Yep, Jazzmaster Ultralight is 12kgs all inc. (3.00 / 2) (#23)
by mirko on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 07:18:27 AM EST

But it's a modelling amp... I'd kinda regret it a month later. Either will it be a twin or a lighter 2nd hand Super 60, I guess.
--
Finally I managed to make the decision that I would work on it. - MDC
we had to huddle together - trane
[ Parent ]
The first bass I ever bought (none / 1) (#31)
by Harry B Otch on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 03:54:51 PM EST

was a Washburn, and it was a big mistake; lousy action, uninspired tone, mediocre pickups. It was especially tragic for me, since I tend to play in a style that needs a warm, meaty jazz/funk bass sound--and that little scrap o' bass just didn't deliver.  It made matters worse that I had a Peavey (gag!) amp head to further banalitize the sound.

Fortunately, I now play a nice Yamaha fretless--very similar to a Fender P-bass, or at least a cheap knockoff.

Also, Galien-Kruger amps rule.

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Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.
[ Parent ]

+1FP, distinctly geeky (3.00 / 3) (#24)
by Enlarged to Show Texture on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 10:09:04 AM EST

I'm not into guitars myself, but know some people that are. Nice setup you've got there...


"Those people who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do." -- Isaac Asimov
comment which does not answer your question (3.00 / 4) (#27)
by JackStraw on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 08:44:08 PM EST

Trey Anastasio (of Phish) has the most interesting effects setup I've ever heard. Trying to analyze it, I guessed (correctly) that it is:

guitar (incl. volume knobs on the guitar, etc) --> wah pedal --> compressor (makes all sounds roughly equal volume, depending on how high u set it) --> volume pedal   (of course, there are other effects like distortion & envelop filter along the way, but these ones are the necessary ones for this sound)

It totally changes the way a guitar sounds; strum or pick loudly, and the u get a "wah" character, but very little change in volume; your foot controls the volume, and your volume knob on the guitar (or the wah pedal) controls the amount of "wah". Pull back on the compressor, and your sound returns to a normal wah setup.

One consequence is this incredible sustain... you give a nice pluck, get the "wah" sound, and then the compressor makes it sustain...

Combine this with the kind of hollow-bodied guitar he uses (right in front of his monitor), and you can then choose how long the "wah" lasts by moving closer or farther away from the monitor.

Trey actually has infinite sustain... so, if he doesn't actively mute any of his strings, they start instantly picking up the feedback.

It's a really unique setup, and if you change a few things (e.g., deactivate the wah and compressor), then you're right back to a normal guitar setup.
-The bus came by, I got on... that's when it all began.

to listen for free (none / 1) (#28)
by JackStraw on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 08:54:10 PM EST

to how this effect train sounds, check out the free streaming concerts at:

http://stash.nugs.net/stash.asp?cmd=shows&artist=2
-The bus came by, I got on... that's when it all began.
[ Parent ]

lol phish phans (none / 0) (#49)
by anaesthetica on Tue Jun 16, 2009 at 05:48:17 PM EST

Listen, just listen to it for a minute, the sustain, listen to it

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[ Parent ]
[facepalm] (none / 0) (#32)
by loteck on Fri Jun 05, 2009 at 09:17:29 PM EST

*shaking head*
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"You're in tune to the musical sound of loteck hi-fi, the musical sound that moves right round. Keep on moving ya'll." -Mylakovich
"WHAT AN ETERNAL MOBIUS STRIP OF FELLATIATIC BANALITY THIS IS." -Harry B Otch

no jazz amp, consider SS modeling vs tubes (none / 1) (#33)
by StackTrayce on Sat Jun 06, 2009 at 06:10:31 PM EST

Sounds like you want to get some nice crunchy (and potentially some overdriven) rock tones. I would recommend against a jazz amp like the FM you mentioned as it is focused towards clean sounds. There are many amps capable of decent cleans AND good rock tones of different levels of distortion/overdrive. I would decide SS or tube 1st. Tube is much more expensive and these days lots of the SS modeling amps can get extremely close not only to tone but also feel/responsiveness of a tube amp. In general tube amps will give better tone, but a more limited sonic range (w/o addition of pedals), be more expensive, and more prone to needing repair/care. I have a Vox Valvetronix I'm pretty happy with, built in fx and a few very nice amp models (some models are just "ok", but it gets good vox and marshall tones for sure). Be aware that some modeling amps may not work great w/ all pedals, but I have heard great tone from a p90 pickup guitar through a wah, overdrive and a SS Crate amp.
If you do get a tube amp, be sure to get one with an attenuator of some sort to change the power level of the output stage. Tubes sound best when driven hard (especially for rock) and if you get a 50W tube amp you may not get great tone at "bedroom volumes" w/o an attenuator.

Tube amp options (none / 1) (#34)
by StackTrayce on Sat Jun 06, 2009 at 06:14:24 PM EST

Many good brands in your list, Hiwatt/marshall/Orange/Vox. You may want to decide whether you want that class A vox sound (Vox/Orange) or a more class-AB sound. There are also well-regarded amps from blackstar that have a variable knob for changing the character of the amp.

[ Parent ]
Peavey classic (none / 1) (#35)
by StackTrayce on Sat Jun 06, 2009 at 07:05:17 PM EST

Also, a friend has a peavey 30 which he has modded to be more overdriven on one channel or something (fairly common mod). The peavey classic 30 is LOUD. You might not need to go to a 50.

[ Parent ]
Delta Blues? (none / 0) (#42)
by mirko on Mon Jun 08, 2009 at 08:09:16 AM EST

It's not that I want a crunchy amp: I want a beautifukl clean tone so I can twiddel it my way with my rockman boxes... I found out that I should definitely bring my guitar to a reseller and give the Peavey Delta Blues amps a try... I'd also give the Schertler David II or its sibling, the Unico II a try.
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Finally I managed to make the decision that I would work on it. - MDC
we had to huddle together - trane
[ Parent ]
Delta Blues, etc (none / 1) (#43)
by StackTrayce on Mon Jun 08, 2009 at 10:08:49 AM EST

So it sounds like you want to get the character of your distortion from pedals. In that case I would be sure to try your pedals (at least distortion) in front of whatever you consider, especially when checking out SS amps.
As far as Schertlers go, be sure it is enough "omg awesome better" to account for the price difference.

[ Parent ]
10 links to one site... (none / 1) (#36)
by sausalito on Sat Jun 06, 2009 at 07:14:11 PM EST

this article is crap.
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GBH - "The whole point is that the App Store acts as a firewall between busy soccer moms and goatse links"

Not one, two. (none / 0) (#37)
by mirko on Sun Jun 07, 2009 at 04:09:45 AM EST

One for the reviews, the other for sound samples, dickhead.
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Finally I managed to make the decision that I would work on it. - MDC
we had to huddle together - trane
[ Parent ]
Listen up dimwit (1.50 / 2) (#39)
by sausalito on Sun Jun 07, 2009 at 02:19:36 PM EST

  1. there are 10 links to one site, and perhaps 6 to another site. Learn to count
  2. this is either linkwhoring (if you have a connection to the site in question) or just plain stupidity.
  3. this article has zero, and I mean absolutely zero, content
  4. either zero a comment - if you deem it a troll or stuff - or reply. Not both, otherwise you admit to being an idiot.

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GBH - "The whole point is that the App Store acts as a firewall between busy soccer moms and goatse links"
[ Parent ]

don't read it if you don't like it$ (none / 0) (#41)
by mirko on Sun Jun 07, 2009 at 04:29:57 PM EST


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Finally I managed to make the decision that I would work on it. - MDC
we had to huddle together - trane
[ Parent ]
this would be much more interesting (none / 0) (#38)
by donnalee on Sun Jun 07, 2009 at 04:43:45 AM EST

if you talked about the sounds themselves, what are the qualities in the sound that produce feelings in the listener, what is it about the sound you're after that pleases you.

Like in boogie woogie there's a hump to the bassline, and in louis' hot five and seven recordings there are the implied notes and the bent notes...

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Guess I'll be adding this to tomorrow's comment dump!

-1. (none / 1) (#40)
by creature on Sun Jun 07, 2009 at 04:20:52 PM EST

This is the most boring-as-fuck thing I've seen on K5 for ages. Nobody cares about your giant guitar gear penis, and this is not a guitarist's forum. Can we go back to dick jokes and copypasta please?

Dude! (none / 0) (#44)
by viza on Mon Jun 08, 2009 at 03:45:15 PM EST

I'd then like to know what the others guitarists have chosen, kept, and why... and maybe also what they would avoid at all costs.
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Let me start by telling you that I am saying what I am saying for your benefit. I am not trying to be mean, just honest.

I tend to avoid Behringer (anything) at all costs. It's junk, pure and simple. From the shoddy workmanship, all the way up to the shoddy pots and buttons, pure junk.

For bass I like the US Made Fender precision basses.
For guitar I prefer strats or Gibson les paul.

Unless you plan to play in your bedroom forever you should pick up a 100W guitar amp and a 200W bass amp. The simpler the better. Amps with a bunch of doohickeys on them sound like shit and tend to have problems because of all the additional crap in them. Every additional pot and button is a potential for failure and something to break when humping your gear around.

My personal preference for guitar amp is a marshall half stack or fender twin. For bass it's classic Ampeg or Acoustic or a newer Acoustic. New Ampegs are crap.

Why use modeling when you can just get what they are trying to model? Focus on the music not the whiz bang bullshit all in one DSP gear because at the end of the day, all it is is bullshit which will let you down. You can get any bass tone you want out of an Acoustic amp with no pedals. If you must, get a good bass fuzz, compressor, and maybe a chorus stomp boxes. If you are into funk a bass wah is nice.

I guarantee you'll be able to get any sound out of that rig. You can get a 200W Acoustic 15" combo amp for $350 and it will fit in the back seat of your car. It's loud enough to play any small to medium sized venue and will keep up with a guitar player playing a 100W half stack.

But don't take my word for it, go to the music store and try one. If you end up buying one, get casters with it so the thing is easier to move around. It weighs around 75lbs.

Guitar pedals are a matter of personal preference, but try to stay away from all in one DSP gear.

There are a lot of famous stomp boxes out there that are REALLY good at what they do. By getting some bullshit DSP that does it all, you are getting half assed versions of these. Again, go for the real thing, not "modeling".

Just my opinion tho... Imitation gear == imitation sound and it's not all that much more expensive to just get the real deal, especially since if you buy junk you'll end up replacing it a lot.

I'd start by putting most of what you have on eBay. Keep the '72 strat reissue. Sell the Washburn before the neck warps (which will happen). Get a new bass and a nice pair of amps, and go from there. Start with the foundation... with a real amp you'll find you don't need a "sustain" pedal, or anything else related to sustain. The whole purpose of a pedal like this, is to give you something that comes naturally with a real amp.

-Viz

Thanks (none / 0) (#45)
by mirko on Mon Jun 08, 2009 at 11:22:56 PM EST

but after 15 years, the washburn's neck is still pristine. :)
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Finally I managed to make the decision that I would work on it. - MDC
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might go4a (preferably second-hand) Twin (none / 0) (#48)
by mirko on Thu Jun 11, 2009 at 02:49:24 AM EST

Because it will always be more than what I need and I'll always feel good with that choice, the rest is not something I'd like to get married to. Can somebody give me advice on a good attenuator so that I can crank the tubes up without getting the police to disturb me? BTW, I just bought a China-Squier Strat for 60USD. I'll tweak it (tuners/pickups...) until I get good at that.
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Finally I managed to make the decision that I would work on it. - MDC
we had to huddle together - trane
[ Parent ]
or a Fender Deluxe VM... (none / 0) (#50)
by mirko on Thu Jun 18, 2009 at 02:18:46 AM EST

Clean Twin sound, (relatively) light, enough power and excellent reviews.
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Finally I managed to make the decision that I would work on it. - MDC
we had to huddle together - trane
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Amplitube (none / 1) (#46)
by Xtapolapocetl on Tue Jun 09, 2009 at 03:23:32 PM EST

Have you checked out Amplitube? It's head and shoulders above any other amp sim - not quite the same as a real tube amp, but it's pretty damn close. It does pretty good imitations of various amps, pedals, rack effects, etc. It's based on a model of tube physics, rather than trying to emulate the sound directly, and it works pretty well.

It doesn't answer the question of live performances since you still need an amp (though I guess you could run it straight into a PA), but it works great for playing at home or recording.



~Xtapolapocetl

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zen and the art of procrastination

there is no correct answer (none / 1) (#47)
by mikelist on Tue Jun 09, 2009 at 04:13:38 PM EST

a once and for all amp is a different proposition from a lifetime guitar.

I bought a "The Twin"... (none / 1) (#51)
by mirko on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 12:00:24 PM EST

...I got it for a stipend and it's the best fucking amp I ever owned, even despite its 80 lbs.
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Finally I managed to make the decision that I would work on it. - MDC
we had to huddle together - trane
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